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Discussion: Why are Kelly and Pink not critically acclaimed/respected?
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I think Stronger has just underperformed in every sense. It's too light,pop & commercial to be critically-acclaimed. I love it though, so whatever. Critics don't really mean that much.
P!nk hasn't released anything so this thread shouldn't be about her. It seems in the past she always ends up being critically praised by the end of her eras, especially with GITA at the 2010 Grammys (2010....right?) I thought Funhouse was critically acclaimed though from the time it was released.
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Oh? How did you like Let England Shake? Did James Blake live up to the hype? Big fan of Bon Iver, or did you prefer his debut?
Because THOSE were the most acclaimed albums of the year.
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PJ Harvey had a good album. On Battleship Hill is nearly flawless.
Give Me My Mouth is a bittersweet song I loved by James Blake
Finally, I could Stan for Perth.
With the Exception of PJ Harvey, the other tracks are not the popular tracks on those albums.
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
I think Stronger has just underperformed in every sense. It's too light,pop & commercial to be critically-acclaimed. I love it though, so whatever. Critics don't really mean that much.
P!nk hasn't released anything so this thread shouldn't be about her. It seems in the past she always ends up being critically praised by the end of her eras, especially with GITA at the 2010 Grammys (2010....right?) I thought Funhouse was critically acclaimed though from the time it was released.
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No it wasn't. Stop the lies.
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Originally posted by csybeyking
!!! She is the "maturer" (read: butcher) version of Katy! YES. That explains so much. Katy's not on any of these lists either!
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Thanks Kelly stans for not biting my head off. I'm glad you were willing to debate this with me.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
No it wasn't. Stop the lies.
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I was in middle school when Funhouse was released, I don't remember. (that album makes me so nostalgic tbh)
I can see why it wasn't though. Especially with a song like So What as a lead single.
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Thanks Kelly stans for not biting my head off. I'm glad you were willing to debate this with me.
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We appreciate your openess to the topic. You seem pretty cool.
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Member Since: 10/15/2011
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Pink and Kelly are in difficult positions where they are "pop stars" but don't really care to be. They do what they need to do as professionals, sing, record, tour, standard promo rounds, but don't go out of their way to be seen outside of that, so they lack the social relevancy that typical pop stars have to boost hype and at the same time are critically overlooked because in the end they are still just singing pop music for the last 10 or so years.
I personally think it's still too early in Kelly's era and am hopeful her next singles will make a bigger impact though.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
I was in middle school when Funhouse was released, I don't remember. (that album makes me so nostalgic tbh)
I can see why it wasn't though. Especially with a song like So What as a lead single.
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Gurl that album came out just 3 years ago, how old are you
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Not too much on Pink thought she's iconic.
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Originally posted by Ryan
You made a serious thread for discussion. It deserved serious responses. You may not agree with our points (and vice versa) but you were respectful and that's what counts. Also thank you for shutting down the shade from the beginning. The constant sniping is uncalled for and keeps discussions like this from taking place.
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Originally posted by iforgiveyou
We appreciate your openess to the topic. You seem pretty cool.
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I love Kelly, and I want the best for her. I want her to record music that is deserving of her and her immense talent. (Her cover of I Know You Won't is better than every song on her last two albums, by the way.)
As for Pink ... I hope Steven sees this thread.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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They get their fair share of acclaim. Looking at Metacritic, Pink is pretty consistent with critics, as all of her albums are around 70 points.
"Since U Been Gone" has made a lot of 'best of all-time" list. I don't think they get more or less acclaim as any of the other pop girls.
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Member Since: 12/31/2010
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Originally posted by Amaru
I actually didn't know P!nk had a diamond album until two weeks ago. Her catalogue is impressive.
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P!nk is the Queen of Australia. Hew else has two 11x platinum albums.
P!nk is amazing. I ****in' love her and I think she has a bit of an iconic status.
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Member Since: 10/17/2011
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Florence + the Machine released at the same time as Kelly.
Flo and them are all over these lists.
I mean.
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Flo deserves praise...
Critics are always looking for "novelty", something that they can say is slightly new or different, as well as quality. Kelly and P!nk have the quality down, but Kelly at least doesn't seem to give critics the "novelty" aspect they are looking for.
To use a food analogy, Kelly is like that solid neighborhood ethnic joint that is always full because it makes great versions of the dishes people like, but never get reviewed because the cooks aren't trying to get creative and bring in novel flavor mixes and such.
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Member Since: 6/29/2011
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Originally posted by iforgiveyou
P!nk and Kelly don't try to pander to the Critics like other artists do. They remain solid and are focused on delivering honest music. 90% of the time Critics focus on hype and let's be fair, neither one of these girls is hype anymore. Just pure artistry. They don't need over the top costumes or over the top dancing to get the power and the soul of their music out there. While I clearly Stan for Kelly, I have loved P!nk since Can't Take Me Home.
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This is precisely my point too. Ok, here's my take on this. Kelly will remain underrated in the eyes of critics as long as she doesn't have that big hype like every other pop stars are doing today. What's worse is that the treatments the critics have for her somehow influence their judgments in the album which is unfair. At least her integrity and authenticity as a musician and an entertainer in general is there, she will remain relevant and respected.
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Originally posted by Albany Guest
Flo deserves praise...
Critics are always looking for "novelty", something that they can say is slightly new or different, as well as quality. Kelly and P!nk have the quality down, but Kelly at least doesn't seem to give critics the "novelty" aspect they are looking for.
To use a food analogy, Kelly is like that solid neighborhood ethnic joint that is always full because it makes great versions of the dishes people like, but never get reviewed because the cooks aren't trying to get creative and bring in novel flavor mixes and such.
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So what you're saying is that P!nk & Clarkson are predictable, mundane & repetitive? Because if so, I'd agree.
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But in all seriousness though, they don't garner attention because once they broke through and solidified their sounds, they kinda just coasted with that "archetype" (can't think of a better word) of their work. A P!nk song will seemingly always sound like a P!nk song, which is endearing, but also annoying & not particularly exciting nor is it representative of any creativity or innovation.
Which is basically what that fan I just quoted said, I think. Minus the "quality" nonsense.
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Member Since: 10/17/2011
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Originally posted by _roc la familia .
So what you're saying is that P!nk & Clarkson are predictable, mundane & repetitive? Because if so, I'd agree.
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Predictable isn't a bad thing in an of itself - in fact, if something is predictably good, that is a plus.
As for mundane, I am assuming you are using it as a synonym for banal or common, and I would say not. Good music is rarely banal or common. Mediocre music is, and I don't think Kelly or P!nk are mediocre.
As I said, not much of their music is novel, but then novelty in an of itself isn't a plus either. Lulu was a very novel album....
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Member Since: 12/9/2007
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They're OK, but none of their music has really ever stood out from the pack. P!nk has had some songs, like Get The Party Started, So What, U + Ur Hand, and Kelly was the biggest pop star in the world around the time of Breakaway. But look at what they are doing now, and it's clear their best work is, at least to this point, behind them.
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Member Since: 2/11/2008
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Kelly came out from a music contest.
Pink doesn't even take herself seriously. I wouldn't either.
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