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News: Scotland set to vote YES to independence
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Originally posted by HighwayHooker
Hopefully the north of Ireland will follow
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If you had said this 10 years ago when the republic was the wealthiest country in the EU I would completely agree. But their economy is dire atm so it's not the right time
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America's impact 
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Let them leave. They will be begging to return in 10 years time, and Queen Elizabeth shall turn to them and quietly say "No" 
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by Austin
If you had said this 10 years ago when the republic was the wealthiest country in the EU I would completely agree. But their economy is dire atm so it's not the right time
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IA that it's not the right time, but Dublin is still the technology capital of Europe & their economy is growing again. Also, it's in their constitution to reunite the island as one country, so if the North of Ireland were to be abandoned or something by the UK, the Republic of Ireland would probably have to take ha in.
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Do people actually know what a race is? I'm being serious. Are people honestly saying Scottish vs English incidents are racism. RACE-ISM? Two predominantly caucasian races, having heated words to one another, is being RACIST??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Originally posted by Austin
If you had said this 10 years ago when the republic was the wealthiest country in the EU I would completely agree. But their economy is dire atm so it's not the right time
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Um, sis, more like NI is a mess and they're better off being the UK's problem. Them coming back to Ireland would only result in more crazy stuff like the 1970's Troubles. They don't want to come back to us and that's more than OK.
If they want to come back, fine, if not, let them be part of the UK and "British".
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Originally posted by SlayingOnTheEarth
Um, sis, more like NI is a mess and they're better off being the UK's problem. Them coming back to Ireland would only result in more crazy stuff like the 1970's Troubles. They don't want to come back to us and that's more than OK.
If they want to come back, fine, if not, let them be part of the UK and "British".
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The Republics economy is in a terrible condition  So many young people are emigrating because there simply aren't jobs. The recession hit them almost as hard as Spain & Greece. NI are comparatively stable
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Originally posted by brndksk
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They're all horrible 
Please keep the flag even if they go 
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Originally posted by SlayingOnTheEarth
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Smaller countries go bankrupt.
United nations do well economically (the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, India, Canada etc).
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Originally posted by Goosey
"Colonize ha" 
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Nah let's just make every town in the world a country. In fact how about every street? Or every house? Because if borders are so good then I don't see why not..
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I live in Ireland, sis, you don't have to tell me. We have since been stabilizing a lot though (even since late last year), and that's what is really important.
What kind of propaganda are you talking though? As bad as Greece?! I don't remember Ireland ever coming close to default as they have. Greece are a wall nobody can climb, when it comes to how hard the recession hit them. Not that anyone would want to climb that wall....
We've left the bailout. They haven't. We're considering paying 15bn back early, they can't even secure their loans for definite.
Spain's unemployment rate for under 25's is 50%
Greece's unemployment rate for under 25' is 57%
Ireland's is 27%, and we have now lowered to the lowest figure in 5 years (11%)
The UK's is 19%
So please STOP. You are trying to paint Ireland into something it isn't and I never even said NI were a mess for their financial situation, so it's odd you went there.
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Originally posted by brndksk
Smaller countries go bankrupt.
United nations do well economically (the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, India, Canada etc).
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How is Germany or Italy a "united nation"? Please don't say "West & East Germany" because......
As for what you said. I don't agree. Bad leadership makes smaller countries go bankrupt. If anything, I'd imagine larger countries are probably more susceptible to bankruptcy
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Originally posted by Benjamin
How would you feel if another country decided your Government/President/Prime Minister/whatever? You get a vote, of course, but that other country vastly outnumbers your own. Then take into consideration that that country has been dicks to yours and the entire world for centuries and that you and it have different political views (Scotland is left leaning, England is right leaning, vast majority of Scots want to be nuke free, England stores its nukes in Scotland, etc.), if you don't even slightly understand why a feeling of needing independence would form from that then I dunno what to say.
I love how there's so many examples in this thread that show exactly why the Better Together campaign has crumbled in the past month (this exact same polling company was showing 39% Yes constantly until a month ago). Better Together is telling people to sit down, shut up and be happy with what they've got - change is bad. Whereas Yes is telling everyone to get up and get involved, discuss with your friends and family, fight for change. BT argues irrelevant macroeconomic topics (We won't have the pound!!!) which people in the real world don't particularly care about, whilst YS argues that we're wasting money on weapons of mass destruction and that our hospitals will be forced to close and privatise. Is it any surprise the tide is turning and Westminster is going into a panic?
I'm just glad that at this point change is guaranteed. It's impossible for this 'constitional crisis', as the Guardian puts it, to not result in something happening. Hopefully England realises it needs devolution and a Federal System evolves out of this.
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The Better Together campaign have never said change is bad and have always promised devolution. Now they are promising maximum devolution.
And the weapons of mass destruction argument is ********. You'd still be on the same island as nukes so what difference does it make? I'm not a fan a nuclear weapons but they are an unfortunate necessity in the real world.
The bottom line is that no-one knows what an independent Scotland would look like, and rUK is going to do everything they can to prevent them from developing a sustainable economy (i.e. convincing Scottish firms to relocate to England) if there is a yes vote.
But I'm not surprised by your views if you've been reading the quasi-intellectual subtle brainwashing supreme cult known as the Guardian.
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Originally posted by SlayingOnTheEarth
How is Germany or Italy a "united nation"? Please don't say "West & East Germany" because......
As for what you said. I don't agree. Bad leadership makes smaller countries go bankrupt. If anything, I'd imagine larger countries are probably more susceptible to bankruptcy |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification
And yes I do mean West and East Germany. The optimism that followed the unification is the reason why Germany is doing so well atm. Unity is a very powerful thing.
And smaller countries are of course more susceptible to bankruptcy because they are smaller.. 
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Originally posted by brndksk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification
And yes I do mean West and East Germany. The optimism that followed the unification is the reason why Germany is doing so well atm. Unity is a very powerful thing.
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You cannot be serious? Using Italy's history from the 1800's to justify it's financial state 200 years later? Are you skipping past Mussolini too, since "unity is a powerful thing", they clearly never met any strife? And Germany was always a unified country, until war tore it apart
As for you're ignorant and condescending last sentence, I don't see Monaco and Vatican City having to borrow 1.2 TRILLION dollars for bailouts
Bad leadership ruins countries. Not the size.
http://nation.time.com/2014/01/14/me...ion-never-hit/
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Originally posted by Goosey
They sent in the red coats and killed a bunch of Highlanders to steal their land  same with Ireland and the Black & Tans.
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Actually no, Scotland wasn't conquered, its monarch succeeded to the throne of England and a century later the two countries united by treaty ratified by their respective parliaments.
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Originally posted by MaRy
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It wont be "the end of the UK" - Wales, Northern Ireland and England are still joined, thus "United Kingdom".
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Originally posted by Daydream
I just realised, if they do leave us, then the Union Jack will look like this.
I am not here for that. This is iconic.
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Iconic it may be but the new flag is alright, looks like going from ios6 to ios7 
But seriously, stay with us Scotland!
On the plus side if this happens, David Cameron's political career will be ruined and him and his ****** party will be remembered as the people who let the 300 year union disintegrate. I don't see Miliband coming out of this well either.
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Member Since: 6/28/2010
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Originally posted by SlayingOnTheEarth
You cannot be serious? Using Italy's history from the 1800's to justify it's financial state 200 years later? Are you skipping past Mussolini too, since "unity is a powerful thing", they clearly never met any strife? And Germany was always a unified country, until war tore it apart
As for you're ignorant and condescending last sentence, I don't see Monaco and Vatican City having to borrow 1.2 TRILLION dollars for bailouts
Bad leadership ruins countries. Not the size.
http://nation.time.com/2014/01/14/me...ion-never-hit/
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I'm not talking about Italy's financial state now. In the early 20th century Italy was as big as Germany is today... it was really, really powerful. Whenever there is a union which the people are behind, it shows economically, and they tend to do very well for a while. The point I was trying to make was that if the UK considered a federal union, instead of splitting up, it could become really prosperous (provided the Brits wanted it). So I think you misunderstood me.
As for Monaco, that is a city-state, thriving on exclusivity - completely different from a small-sized socialist area like Scotland. And to bring up the Vatican City is absurd. That is another city-state, and has extremely unusual circumstances.
The best examples would be countries like Iceland, Ireland and Portugal. Granted, there are smaller European nations which are very rich, but they have had a long established economy of exclusivity and high taxation. Scotland would not be that sort of nation. The bottom line is that with the current worldwide economic situation, the odds are stacked against separatist nations.
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Originally posted by graham
Actually no, Scotland wasn't conquered, its monarch succeeded to the throne of England and a century later the two countries united by treaty ratified by their respective parliaments.
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The Scots have every right to hate Englishmen and Campbells.
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