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Originally posted by inspiration4
NO.
***the bible says the earth is 8,000 years old as of now. therefore, WRONG
***the bible says the earth was create in 7 days. therefore, WRONG
i can go on but i won't..... so do not come in here saying the bible and religion are compatible when they are absolutely not..... i'm guessing you haven't read the bible either.
Also, are you familiar with the term "logic"?
i ask because your belief in God's unexplained existence is in direct contrast to your (and most christians) belief that "**** just dosen't happen on it's own" aka "something can't come from nothing"
According to your belief god had to have been created by something, no? Why is he allowed to "poof" into existence but the earth isn't?
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The Bible isn't supposed to be a textbook, it's just a symbolic book that teaches lessons.
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Originally posted by NE.
I love Christ and he gives me hope and a future.
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See, this quote is the whole point of religion. Total joke, but makes people happy so I guess it's ok.
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Originally posted by Kirill
See, this quote is the whole point of religion. Total joke, but makes people happy so I guess it's ok.
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Agreed
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Originally posted by inspiration4
***the bible says the earth is 8,000 years old as of now. therefore, WRONG
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No it doesn't. Creationists estimate the age of the earth based on the geneaology given in the Bible. The Bible never gives a date for how old the Earth is - the dates you see given by fundamentalists are guesses based on interpretation. Just wanted to clear that up.
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Originally posted by Last Boy on Earth
I think that people are so disrespectful when they say that it happened something good to them because of the power of god, how about the ones suffering from hunger, war, diseases, death.... and pray everyday yet only **** happens to them? don't they think of those people? why god would help ones and ignore the others?
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Prayer is not a guarantee that we will be spare from any adversity. The foremost purpose of prayer is actually to glorify the name of the Lord, to thank Him for every blessings that He constantly bestows upon us including those that we often fail to notice like our own lives and the time we have spent in this world. When some catastrophies and unfavorable circumstances happen to some of our fellows, it doesn't mean God have forsaken them or it's some sort of a curse or punishment. These things happen for a reason. It could be an outcome of other people's greed like hunger that some of my fellowmen are experiencing in my country. A lot of our government officials are corrupt thus contributing a lot to scarcity and unequal distribution of resources. Or it could also be because of our own fault. Global warming along it's negative reverberations are all caused by man thus we are to blame for our own suffering. We may not understand why such things unjustly happen to some of us but God has a plan and He is in total control of everything. God's plans for us are better than our plans for ourselves. But it will only take effect if we will put our utmost trust on Him and let Him act on our lives. Thus the prayer, "Let Thy will be done."
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Originally posted by Kirill
See, this quote is the whole point of religion. Total joke, but makes people happy so I guess it's ok.
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so true
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Prayer is not a guarantee that we will be spare from any adversity. The foremost purpose of prayer is actually to glorify the name of the Lord, to thank Him for every blessings that He constantly bestows upon us including those that we often fail to notice like our own lives and the time we have spent in this world. When some catastrophies and unfavorable circumstances happen to some of our fellows, it doesn't mean God have forsaken them or it's some sort of a curse or punishment. These things happen for a reason. It could be an outcome of other people's greed like hunger that some of my fellowmen are experiencing in my country. A lot of our government officials are corrupt thus contributing a lot to scarcity and unequal distribution of resources. Or it could also be because of our own fault. Global warming along it's negative reverberations are all caused by man thus we are to blame for our own suffering. We may not understand why such things unjustly happen to some of us but God has a plan and He is in total control of everything. God's plans for us are better than our plans for ourselves. But it will only take effect if we will put our utmost trust on Him and let Him act on our lives. Thus the prayer, "Let Thy will be done."
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DEATH at y'all taking the words on the bible literally. If it says that God made it 7 days, he may be meant 7 000 years of 7 centuries. You guys are just
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Originally posted by ashuduff
The Bible isn't supposed to be a textbook, it's just a symbolic book that teaches lessons.
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Originally posted by JM4ever
DEATH at y'all taking the words on the bible literally. If it says that God made it 7 days, he may be meant 7 000 years of 7 centuries. You guys are just
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When christians are confronted with just how crazy the bible is they rush to proclaim "it's not meant to be taken literally" , yet they fail to realize the irony as the "facts" presented in the bible are the ONLY "proof" of the existence of god, jesus, and everything chrsitian.... So if it's not meant to be taken seriously, i guess.......................
Also, i certainly wouldn't herald the bible as a book to learn lessons from...
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Leviticus 25:44 “As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.”
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Exodus 21:7-11 NLT “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her."
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Originally posted by inspiration4
EXPECTED....
When christians are confronted with just how crazy the bible is they rush to proclaim "it's not meant to be taken literally" , yet they fail to realize the irony as the "facts" presented in the bible are the ONLY "proof" of the existence of god, jesus, and everything chrsitian.... So if it's not meant to be taken seriously, i guess.......................
Also, i certainly wouldn't herald the bible as a book to learn lessons from...
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Many people believe in supercessionism (including me). And I think it's common sense that, for example, the world was not created in 7 days. We do have functioning brains and have learnt on our own that obviously it took much longer. The statistical evidence (like 7 days) is not literal. But the Bible does not state the existence of God in the same manner. It does not give us a disprovable (or provable) fact of his existence, just simply that he does exist. It's like saying "There is another planet in the Milky Way with water and carbon-based lifeforms" - it's not something we can prove or disprove (for now). The creation of the earth is something humans can (sort of) measure definitively (bar uncertainty, which there is a lot of), but we will never be able to measure definitively the existence of God. That's the key distinction between the two.
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Originally posted by £100
Many people believe in supercessionism (including me). And I think it's common sense that, for example, the world was not created in 7 days. We do have functioning brains and have learnt on our own that obviously it took much longer. The statistical evidence (like 7 days) is not literal. But the Bible does not state the existence of God in the same manner. It does not give us a disprovable (or provable) fact of his existence, just simply that he does exist. It's like saying "There is another planet in the Milky Way with water and carbon-based lifeforms" - it's not something we can prove or disprove (for now). The creation of the earth is something humans can (sort of) measure definitively (bar uncertainty, which there is a lot of), but we will never be able to measure definitively the existence of God. That's the key distinction between the two.
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It's common sense now that the world was not created in seven days. Also, because the bible does not speak in specifics regarding the authenticity of God, that doesn't make the possibility of his existence any more plausible.
Also, it's only when a story is disproven by scientific fact or social enlighttenment that christians collectively deem that story "non-literall"...The logic is "believe until disproven", so it's not surprising that people will believe in god until that happens, and disproving god will likely never happen just as scientists disproving the existence of purple monkeys swimming in a lake at the literal core of Mars will never happen either.
EDIT: the bible did speak about Jesus existence in the most obvious of disprovable ways... holy semen? virgin mother? But when it involves reilgion, every and anything is ok just as long as it's in the bible... WAIT...and as long as scientsts and/or social opinion hasn't discredited it. Then it's ok, for the time being....
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I will agree on the points made about the bible. I myself, a believer, feel the bible has its man-made parts to fit the era in which it was written but that doesn't rule out the existence of GOD. I feel GOD just isn't what the bible explains. I feel GOD is a spirit rather than a man. I feel the spirit of GOD has no gender and that the spirit is everything. GOD's life is in everything, he drives the universe to its being everyday. I will not believe all of this came from nothing. Science can only prove so much, but the day science 100% proves GOD doesn't exist and the universe was simply created by the collision of solar dust is the day . . . I continue to believe.
Even scientist believe in a higher power and that theory of 'something cant come from nothing'
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Isaac Newton (1642-1727)
In optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. He did a considerable work on biblical numerology, and, though aspects of his beliefs were not orthodox, he thought theology was very important. In his system of physics, God is essential to the nature and absoluteness of space. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."
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Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
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William Thomson Kelvin (1824-1907)
Kelvin was foremost among the small group of British scientists who helped to lay the foundations of modern physics. His work covered many areas of physics, and he was said to have more letters after his name than anyone else in the Commonwealth, since he received numerous honorary degrees from European Universities, which recognized the value of his work. He was a very committed Christian, who was certainly more religious than the average for his era. Interestingly, his fellow physicists George Gabriel Stokes (1819-1903) and James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879) were also men of deep Christian commitment, in an era when many were nominal, apathetic, or anti-Christian. The Encyclopedia Britannica says "Maxwell is regarded by most modern physicists as the scientist of the 19th century who had the greatest influence on 20th century physics; he is ranked with Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein for the fundamental nature of his contributions." Lord Kelvin was an Old Earth creationist, who estimated the Earth's age to be somewhere between 20 million and 100 million years, with an upper limit at 500 million years based on cooling rates (a low estimate due to his lack of knowledge about radiogenic heating).
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Originally posted by inspiration4
It's common sense now that the world was not created in seven days. Also, because the bible does not speak in specifics regarding the authenticity of God, that doesn't make the possibility of his existence any more plausible.
Also, it's only when a story is disproven by scientific fact or social enlighttenment that christians collectively deem that story "non-literall"...The logic is "believe until disproven", so it's not surprising that people will believe in god until that happens, and disproving god will likely never happen just as scientists disproving the existence of purple monkeys swimming in a lake at the literal core of Mars will never happen either.
EDIT: the bible did speak about Jesus existence in the most obvious of disprovable ways... holy semen? virgin mother? But when it involves reilgion, every and anything is ok just as long as it's in the bible... WAIT...and as long as scientsts and/or social opinion hasn't discredited it. Then it's ok, for the time being....
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That's very cynical. I don't see it as Christians vs. non-Believers - it is after all Christians who established much of the way science works today and core scientific beliefs that humans have. I think as we discover new things we come to see the Bible in new ways. Social enlightenment includes enlightened views about the Bible too. It's not about "believe until disproven". The essence of the stories never changes. Like I said, go and read Life of Pi. The point of the Bible is not to be a book of cold-hard facts, even though it does include a sizeable portion of those as well. If you can't get that, then the Bible will forever seem stupid to you.
With the Mars example you've stated, you're getting at what I'm trying to say. To me, I am as sure of the existence of God as I am sure that there are no purple monkeys swimming in a lake at the core of Mars. It's all about faith. I suppose you have faith that there is no God; you are steadfast in your criticism of religion. You're never going to convince anybody else to see it your way. I am never going to convince you to see things my way. But what you need to understand is that those who follow God are no more ignorant or delusional than you are.
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Nowadays it's a bad thing to believe in God. Very sad what the world has come to
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Originally posted by £100
That's very cynical. I don't see it as Christians vs. non-Believers - it is after all Christians who established much of the way science works today and core scientific beliefs that humans have. I think as we discover new things we come to see the Bible in new ways. Social enlightenment includes enlightened views about the Bible too. It's not about "believe until disproven". The essence of the stories never changes. Like I said, go and read Life of Pi. The point of the Bible is not to be a book of cold-hard facts, even though it does include a sizeable portion of those as well. If you can't get that, then the Bible will forever seem stupid to you.
With the Mars example you've stated, you're getting at what I'm trying to say. To me, I am as sure of the existence of God as I am sure that there are no purple monkeys swimming in a lake at the core of Mars. It's all about faith. I suppose you have faith that there is no God; you are steadfast in your criticism of religion. You're never going to convince anybody else to see it your way. I am never going to convince you to see things my way. But what you need to understand is that those who follow God are no more ignorant or delusional than you are.
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Your right in that we will continue to disagree.. But disagreeing is normal so... . Like any other debate this is just a harmeless exchange of persepctive, for fun in this case. And i never called religious people delusional or ignorant. I called a member that because of, well, look at his post...
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Nowadays it's a bad thing to believe in God. Very sad what the world has come to
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Nowadays it's a bad thing to believe in God. Very sad what the world has come to
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Says the person who's bothered by Gaga speaking positive of her connection with her gay fans...and bothered by the fact she's a gay rights activist....Sigh, i guess your morals are better because of the source
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Originally posted by inspiration4
Says the person who's bothered by Gaga speaking positive of her connection with her gay fans...and bothered by the fact she's a gay rights activist....Sigh, i guess your morals are better because of the source
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Well if they're a devoted christian, then they may think being Gay is wrong as many christians do, which is her decision and right
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