[Stevie]

Eve began her post by writing: "Nope. If you were a woman no-one would have heard of you because women can't compete in the decathlon. You wouldn't be a hero. You would be a frustrated young athlete who wasn't given a chance."

This is all kinds of mess.

[Thisisit]

What a small minded c*nt. Yes I'm sure Bruce has decided to go through this taxing, life-changing decision at the age of 65 on a whim so she can "get the benefits of being a gurl w/ none of the bad stuff!" rather than as a result 65 years of feeling inherently uncomfortable with who she is and what was undoubtedly a distressing internal struggle. This is the perfect example of someone with absolutely no perspective or empathy, she deserves the hate.

[madonnas]

Her arguments are severely flawed and ignorant.

[Ice]

I kinda see where she's coming from, but it's not like transgender people don't have any struggles.

[Thisisit]

Originally posted by casholic

Those things don't make you a woman, those are injustices done to women. To act like Bruce won't be facing injustices or the attempt to play who faces worst **** is quite reckless. 1 in 12 trans women are murdered.

!!!

If she had bothered to do 5 minutes of research before running her dumbass mouth on instagram she would say that trans people are one of the most marginalised groups in society, if not the most

[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Rascal

BRUCE JENNER HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WOMAN. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

In his mind, but not in society or biologically.

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I watched Bruce's interview and felt so bad for him and the struggle he's been dealing with for all these years. I'd like to see him find true happiness, but I wish he would have explained how he knew he felt like a female. What makes a person male or female, aside from physical anatomy? Gender is a social construct. Liking dresses and make up isn't what makes you a woman just as liking sports and hunting doesn't make you a man. What does being male or female feel like?

I think that is Alice's point in a way when she talks about having a vagina, because Bruce has never experienced anything, physically, that is exclusive to women (like getting a period) to truly understand what it means to feel like a woman. Basically she's saying, being a woman is no different than being a man besides the physiological aspect of it ("having a vagina") and the societal aspect of it (sexism), neither of which Bruce can relate to.

[Giselle]

What 'good arguments' does she have?

Bruce can't be a woman because she achieved great things while living as a man? She literally said a bunch of things to sound like a feminist and ended up sounding like a dummy. Like what she said literally does not add up

[rbautz]

Originally posted by Giselle

What 'good arguments' does she have?

Bruce can't be a woman because she achieved great things while living as a man? She literally said a bunch of things to sound like a feminist and ended up sounding like a dummy. Like what she said literally does not add up

Look the post above

[Badger]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

In his mind, but not in society or biologically.

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I watched Bruce's interview and felt so bad for him and the struggle he's been dealing with for all these years. I'd like to see him find true happiness, but I wish he would have explained how he knew he felt like a female. What makes a person male or female, aside from physical anatomy? Gender is a social construct. Liking dresses and make up isn't what makes you a woman just as liking sports and hunting doesn't make you a man. What does being male or female feel like?

I think that is Alice's point in a way when she talks about having a vagina, because Bruce has never experienced anything, physically, that is exclusive to women (like getting a period) to truly understand what it means to feel like a woman. Basically she's saying, being a woman is no different than being a man besides the physiological aspect of it ("having a vagina") and the societal aspect of it (sexism), neither of which Bruce can relate to.

I believe that men and women can be defined by brain structure - men and women have different shaped brains. It is likely that Bruce has a feminine-shaped brain which makes her a women, despite having a male body. It IS a biological issue.

You can feel like a women because of the way your mind works, even if you haven't experienced having a female body or genitalia.

Being a man or woman is MORE than what genitalia you have.

[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Badger

I believe that men and women can be defined by brain structure - men and women have different shaped brains. It is likely that Bruce has a feminine-shaped brain which makes her a women, despite having a male body. It IS a biological issue.

You can feel like a women because of the way your mind works, even if you haven't experienced having a female body or genitalia.

Being a man or woman is MORE than what genitalia you have.

Men do have slightly bigger brains than women and there's a difference in the hypothalamus according to research, BUT how would you feel this? How would you even begin to tell a difference having not experienced both?

[Rascal]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

In his mind, but not in society or biologically.

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I watched Bruce's interview and felt so bad for him and the struggle he's been dealing with for all these years. I'd like to see him find true happiness, but I wish he would have explained how he knew he felt like a female. What makes a person male or female, aside from physical anatomy? Gender is a social construct. Liking dresses and make up isn't what makes you a woman just as liking sports and hunting doesn't make you a man. What does being male or female feel like?

I think that is Alice's point in a way when she talks about having a vagina, because Bruce has never experienced anything, physically, that is exclusive to women (like getting a period) to truly understand what it means to feel like a woman. Basically she's saying, being a woman is no different than being a man besides the physiological aspect of it ("having a vagina") and the societal aspect of it (sexism), neither of which Bruce can relate to.

Why are you placing precedence on the physical aspect? Why is that the most significant part of being a person?

Bruce is undergoing reassignment therapy because it will make him happy and comfortable within himself - it isn't totally necessary to do so, and Bruce is a woman regardless of the transition.

Physical anatomy doesn't determine your gender - there are many intersex and genderqueer individuals who defy the cisgender, binary normativity.

[Badger]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

Men do have slightly bigger brains than women and there's a difference in the hypothalamus according to research, BUT how would you feel this? How would you even begin to tell a difference having not experienced both?

Because society treats men and women differently, and certain things are directed towards each gender. Bruce most likely responds more to what society directs towards women than what is intended for men.

[MotherSuperior]

More SJW garbage.

[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Badger

Because society treats men and women differently, and certain things are directed towards each gender. Bruce most likely responds more to what society directs towards women than what is intended for men.

That's my point, aside from the physical aspect, gender is a social construct in and of itself. There are males who like feminine things and "womanly" things, who don't feel they were born the wrong way. And females who respond to more masculine things who don't feel they were born the wrong way. Those things are purely cultural and do not define what it means to be a woman or a man. I said before, liking dresses and make up aren't exclusive to women or definitive of women. Liking womanly things doesn't equate to being one.

Originally posted by Rascal

Why are you placing precedence on the physical aspect?

I absolutely did not.

[GreasyBruce]

Until women are paid the same as men, then playing at being a 'woman' while retaining the benefits of being a man is unfair. Do you have a vagina? Are you paid less than men? Then, my friend, you are a woman.

And what are her thoughts on white women like herself being paid more than men of colour, and even more than women of colour?