And the people that keep saying "it's not that serious" are proving just how immature and unintelligent they actually are. To YOU it might not be that serious. But to think that everyone else feels the same way is very, very naive and ignorant. These kinds of things are the REASON there is homophobia, and the REASON that these words are still used today, and the REASON that kids feel afraid to come out and a REASON people are bullied. If you can't see that, then do yourself a favor and grow up. It doesn't bother me personally in the slightest, but I would never be foolish enough to think that the lyrics of a famous rapper wouldn't have an effect on others and that it wouldn't promote homophobia. Some of you are unreal.
And the people that keep saying "it's not that serious" are proving just how immature and unintelligent they actually are. To YOU it might not be that serious. But to think that everyone else feels the same way is very, very naive and ignorant. These kinds of things are the REASON there is homophobia, and the REASON that these words are still used today, and the REASON that kids feel afraid to come out and a REASON people are bullied. If you can't see that, then do yourself a favor and grow up. It doesn't bother me personally in the slightest, but I would never be foolish enough to think that the lyrics of a famous rapper wouldn't have an effect on others and that it wouldn't promote homophobia. Some of you are unreal.
We stan for stars who promote sexual promiscuity, getting plastic surgery, looking wafer thin, etc etc. Using the "f" word isn't right in normal context, but rap is a form of art, and a rapper should be as free to use whatever words he so chooses as a diva is allowed to strip naked and wag her p*ssy for the World to sink $1.29 into.
I don't necessarily think either are ideal, but to be honest, you can't restrict art so much. Em has the right to rap about whatever he so chooses. You have the right to not listen/buy.
We stan for stars who promote sexual promiscuity, getting plastic surgery, looking wafer thin, etc etc. Using the "f" word isn't right in normal context, but rap is a form of art, and a rapper should be as free to use whatever words he so chooses as a diva is allowed to strip naked and wag her p*ssy for the World to sink $1.29 into.
I don't necessarily think either are ideal, but to be honest, you can't restrict art so much. Em has the right to rap about whatever he so chooses. You have the right to not listen/buy.
Correction, you might stan for those kinds of artists. I don't. Kelly doesn't promote any of that. And even if that makes her a "flop" to some, I'd rather stan for class. Rap can be a form of art all it wants, doesn't mean such words need to be included. If he's such a genius rapper, he can find a way around it. But yes, you're right, he does have a right to rap about whatever he wants - but the fact that he chooses to be an ignorant d-bag in his lyrics gives me the right to trash and judge him like I am. I don't listen, nor buy, and have no intention to. But I will call it as I see it.
We stan for stars who promote sexual promiscuity, getting plastic surgery, looking wafer thin, etc etc. Using the "f" word isn't right in normal context, but rap is a form of art, and a rapper should be as free to use whatever words he so chooses as a diva is allowed to strip naked and wag her p*ssy for the World to sink $1.29 into.
I don't necessarily think either are ideal, but to be honest, you can't restrict art so much. Em has the right to rap about whatever he so chooses. You have the right to not listen/buy.
Stripping naked though doesn't make someone feel awful for just being who they are. Rapping about breaking a table over a ****** does. If he had said he was going to break a table over a jew, people would be mad. So why is it okay and artistic for him to do that about homosexuals? He is entitled to his own opinion but so are we, and here we are criticizing him for his outdated use of the word. This is 2013. You shouldn't be able to get away with that, in character or not. Maybe if there was humour to it, but it didn't sound very funny.
Basically you're equating **** shaming (that is, being shamed for being promiscuous) with sexuality shaming (being shamed for who you are, not what you do). Both are wrong. But both are very different.
Stripping naked though doesn't make someone feel awful for just being who they are. Rapping about breaking a table over a ****** does. If he had said he was going to break a table over a jew, people would be mad. So why is it okay and artistic for him to do that about homosexuals? He is entitled to his own opinion but so are we, and here we are criticizing him for his outdated use of the word. This is 2013. You shouldn't be able to get away with that, in character or not. Maybe if there was humour to it, but it didn't sound very funny.
Basically you're equating **** shaming (that is, being shamed for being promiscuous) with sexuality shaming (being shamed for who you are, not what you do). Both are wrong. But both are very different.
The same objectification of the body and the "skinny model superstar" is indirectly and directly a cause for anorexia and bulimia in both women and men. So I'm not so sure about whether stripping naked and using a hot body to sell an image is completely harmless.
I don't think targeting gay people is right, but like I said, there's equally bad stuff in entertainment, and at the end of the day, these lyrics belong to the writer. He puts it out there. He doesn't have a moral responsibility to make sure no body is hurt because his persona isn't the role model, the leader, or the representative. He's always been the psychotic, angry, white rapper with lewd lyrics, and that's what everyone knows him by.
Oh please, if you're a parent and you don't want your kid to listen to this music than ban it from your house and educate them about what's good and right in life.
I'm sorry but blaming criminality on Hip Hop etc. is the dumbest thing ever.
Nobody forces you to listen Hip Hop, I'm not even a Hip Hop fan but I can enjoy Eminem from time to time.
BUT when I don't want to hear any of that stuff than I'll just block it out of my life tbh.
It's not that hard, you're acting like it's Hitler all over again, nobody's forcing this down your throat.
Do you know me? Do you know my life story ? Do you know what I've seen or herd? You have no idea what's going on in my community. I'm talking about the kids who are corrupted by this trash. I've buried a niece and a cousin cause of thugs who have been brain washed by this trash. At the trail the murderer of my cousin admitted he got into the thug lifestyle cause he wanted to be like rappers he looked up to. Eminem was one of them. So tell me how can I block this out my life? How can I block the Lil Booise Gucci Mane wanna be with a gun in my face. Breaking into my house. You are part of the problem I'm talking about.
I'm NOT talking about nig-ger, I'm talking about nig-ga. A term some in the rap community has used as endearment and often used in rap battles like the one Em says he comes from where it's acceptable to use the word ****-got because it's in a different context compared to it's original use.
At the end of the day, Em KNOWS who he can get away with that ******** and who he CAN'T.
I never will unerstand this thought process. So if I call your mom a Beyotch instead of a bitch all of a sudden now it's a different context???I have personally never seen that excuse fly where a white person has dropped the er and everyone was just all fine with it.
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It's not the gays responsibility to just be okay with a word that has been labelled negatively to them since they were children. It's an angry word. One that murder are murdered in the name of. I understand your idea to just not be offended and maybe it'll disappear but that's not how it works. It has nothing to do with insecurity. The ones offended are the most secure (because to be so offended shows you are proud of who you are and will not take this ****).
Also sure, it could just mean a cigarette again but if you call someone it will you be calling them a cigarette? No. the negative connotation will remain.
Thank you so much for this comment so much truth
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I mean,interviews should REALLY FKN stop asking this ****,he's not homophobic,he said it plenty of times.GET FKN OVER IT.
If you hate the word so much (the irony tho,since I saw so many members here using that fkn word) then just don't listen to those songs and IGNORE it
If you don't stand for anything you fall for everything. You can't just always ignore any and everything Eminem has aplatform to speak as an entertainer, and a bit of influence whether he likes it or not. If you don't want him to be criticized for his action's or words maybe you should encourage him to quit his day job and do something else.
How disgusting, how can people defend him?
He is just an ignorant person.
Just ugh..
I wanna ring him by his neck as he kisses my neck passionately
and strokes my upper thigh gently with his rough hands. mmm.
He's sick.
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All my life I fought against Hip Hop. I said time and time again it promotes hatred and ignorance and Criminal Behavior You got these kids out here worshiping these monsters and they are a lost cause. People still act like it has no effect on the kids. This is terrorism. This genre of music has terrorized my community and every time we speak up about it we are vilified for it. People are fed up with this culture. It's so backwards but everybody has been so stuck on this fascist mentality the madness keeps on going. Say what you want but i'm not buying into this a lot of these young people have adapted to this but I will never. I will commit suicide before I buy into this fascist propaganda.
He's right tho girls. Y'all need to stop overreacting. He has said MULTIPLE times over SEVERAL years that he is not homophobic and it's quite clear he isn't.
I swear, sometimes I think the gays WANT him to be homophobic just because they like demonizing other people and enjoy moaning about things like this. Maybe it makes y'all feel better and more righteous or some **** but sorry, I'm not even a big fan of Eminem and I can see his attitudes are just fine.
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I mean, he said in this interview that he supports equality and he's genuinely glad society is moving forward, and y'all wanna come for him after he just said something like that in support of the LGBT community? Now that, is wrong.
since you all hate his morally unacceptable persona "Slim" and think its time for him to change his vocabulary/get rid of him yall might enjoy Mathew, Stan's little brother as he takes his revenge and kills him off in Bad Guy aka Stan pt 2 for everything hes done and everyone he has offended
lmao so yall just gonna have this same conversation time and time again
you all can be offended just like he has the right to say what he wants, its part of his vocabulary as his fictional persona "Slim" which basically represents everything morally unacceptable in society and "Eminem", and he's not actually making an excuse for his vocabulary he is just letting yall know where it comes from. The person in real life, Marshall has his own stance and he has already let it known but if people still don't like him or don't understand then theres nothing he can do about it.
Just because he has free speech to express himself doesn't mean he is above criticism or facing repercussions for his word's.
The same objectification of the body and the "skinny model superstar" is indirectly and directly a cause for anorexia and bulimia in both women and men. So I'm not so sure about whether stripping naked and using a hot body to sell an image is completely harmless.
I don't think targeting gay people is right, but like I said, there's equally bad stuff in entertainment, and at the end of the day, these lyrics belong to the writer. He puts it out there. He doesn't have a moral responsibility to make sure no body is hurt because his persona isn't the role model, the leader, or the representative. He's always been the psychotic, angry, white rapper with lewd lyrics, and that's what everyone knows him by.
I don't think any of the popstars today are really that skinny. None of them are "super model skinny". Miley and Selena and Taylor are pretty petite, but thats about it. Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Beyonce are all curvy girls. Regardless though, are you saying that skinny girls should hide their bodies so big girls don't feel bad about themselves and become anorexic? I understand body image issues but at the end of the day, losing weight is not impossible. But changing your sexuality is.
I'm not sure that there is equally bad things in the industry compared with having lyrics that talk about violence against gay people. Misogyny is one thing, violence is another.
Correction, you might stan for those kinds of artists. I don't. Kelly doesn't promote any of that. And even if that makes her a "flop" to some, I'd rather stan for class. Rap can be a form of art all it wants, doesn't mean such words need to be included. If he's such a genius rapper, he can find a way around it. But yes, you're right, he does have a right to rap about whatever he wants - but the fact that he chooses to be an ignorant d-bag in his lyrics gives me the right to trash and judge him like I am. I don't listen, nor buy, and have no intention to. But I will call it as I see it.
Then don't listen . I'm confused as to why so many people who don't buy his music are mad, this is nothing new . Don't listen , end of.
I don't think any of the popstars today are really that skinny. None of them are "super model skinny". Miley and Selena and Taylor are pretty petite, but thats about it. Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Beyonce are all curvy girls. Regardless though, are you saying that skinny girls should hide their bodies so big girls don't feel bad about themselves and become anorexic? I understand body image issues but at the end of the day, losing weight is not impossible. But changing your sexuality is.
I'm not sure that there is equally bad things in the industry compared with having lyrics that talk about violence against gay people. Misogyny is one thing, violence is another.
Rappers talk about killing prostitutes and hoes And selling crack, killing other people, etc.
And photoshop on magazine covers and in music videos It's not about saying "You want my hawt bawdy? (you betta work bitch )" as much as subliminal messaging and messaging by reinforcement, which has already been proven to lead to stress and eating disorders in easily influenced young women and young men.
Idk. I just don't take music that seriously, i guess. but I guess I can see now how it can be pretty offensive for people who are either not that secure with their sexuality or afraid of the effects of this type of language on peer attitudes.
And selling crack, killing other people, etc.