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News: Austrian girl killed in Syria trying to escape
Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by Chyene
That is literally not the same at all.
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Please, do elucidate.
This religious girl peacefully practices hers at a mosque. Someone comes along and tells her that there's a better life for people like her elsewhere, where they can live free from western culture. She arrives, and it's not at all what she had conjured up in her head.
Of course, this is all hypothetical since we don't know how she was lured there. That's why it's dumb to say 'HER FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' 'SHOULDA KNOWN BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!' 'A 14 YEAR OLD IS COMPLETELY CAPABLE OF TAKING CHARGE OF HER LIFE!! '.
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Originally posted by HEIDI
Please, do elucidate.
This religious girl peacefully practices hers at a mosque. Someone comes along and tells her that there's a better life for people like her elsewhere, where they can live free of western culture. She arrives, and it's not at all what she had conjured up in her head.
Of course, this is all hypothetical since we don't know how she was lured there. That's why it's dumb to say 'HER FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!' 'SHOULDA KNOWN BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!' 'A 14 YEAR OLD IS COMPLETELY CAPABLE OF TAKING CHARGE OF HER LIFE!! '.
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Well too bad. Should have looked into it more. Now she's dead and its her own fault. One less terrorist.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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How is it the same as human trafficking? When they left, they left a note behind where they said that they were ready to die for Allah. They knew that they were heading to Syria, they knew what ISIS was doing (why else would you confess to being ready to die for Allah? Are you kidding me?).
Not in a million years is that the same as promising vulnerable and poor girls and women a job and a better life that then, later, ends up being a lie, with them having their last shred of self-worth as human beings stripped away at the hands of organized trafficking.
You cannot compare the two at all
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What a stupid girl. I'm Sad for her family.
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Originally posted by Sasha.
How is it the same as human trafficking? When they left, they left a note behind where they said that they were ready to die for Allah. They knew that they were heading to Syria, they knew what ISIS was doing (why else would you confess to being ready to die for Allah? Are you kidding me?).
Not in a million years is that the same as promising vulnerable and poor girls and women a job and a better life that then, later, ends up being a lie, with them having their last shred of self-worth as human beings stripped away at the hands of organized trafficking.
You cannot compare the two at all
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Agree. They knew there were joining a terrorist organisation. Bad things tend to happen when you do that.
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Let's blame two young girls for being radicalized by an Islamic preacher that they looked up to. Religion is a funny thing.
I've said my piece & reiterating it will be a waste of time. I hope these two rest in peace.
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Originally posted by HEIDI
Let's blame two young girls for being radicalized by an Islamic preacher that they looked up to. Religion is a funny thing.
I've said my piece & reiterating it will be a waste of time. I hope these two rest in peace.
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You still haven't "bled" me
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It's her fault for joining, who even in their right minds join groups that murder people.
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Keep in mind ISIS is like a sect, and ignorant teens like this girl who probably came from a disfunctional family are more the type that falls for this. Not that I feel sorry for her but I don't think she knew what was coming at her.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Chyene
That is literally not the same at all.
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It is though. The situation in which they were lied to is completely different, but the way they managed to fall for it is the same. They are promised a much better life and obviously go out to seek that life and end up getting ****ed. Do you ACTUALLY think the recruiters tell the kids ''Hey, come with us so you can help us kill everyone in the most efficient way possible while we treat you like a sub-human''? Like seriously. It's called brainwashing for a reason.
Also your whole ''you haven't bled me yet!!!!!'' posts are annoying and excessive.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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ISIS operates in a way cults do. A cult with a political mission as well. Just keep in mind for instance that in eastern part of Germany and in other places in Europe, Nazi groups linger round schools and attract new members. And the brainwashing starts kicking in. They also offer them something: Possibilities for recreation like learning how to play guitar., work.-out, boxing, going to concerts etc. And the brainwashing-machine is working all the time. ISIS is not that much different.
Teenagers can be easily influenced. They can be easily radicalized. That is also the reason why extremists always want to attract young members. The younger, the better.
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Originally posted by Corsola
It is though. The situation in which they were lied to is completely different, but the way they managed to fall for it is the same. They are promised a much better life and obviously go out to seek that life and end up getting ****ed. Do you ACTUALLY think the recruiters tell the kids ''Hey, come with us so you can help us kill everyone in the most efficient way possible while we treat you like a sub-human''? Like seriously. It's called brainwashing for a reason.
Also your whole ''you haven't bled me yet!!!!!'' posts are annoying and excessive.
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Yes they do. They also tell them that should they escape, they'll be killed.
ATRL educates me once again.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Sasha.
How is it the same as human trafficking? When they left, they left a note behind where they said that they were ready to die for Allah. They knew that they were heading to Syria, they knew what ISIS was doing (why else would you confess to being ready to die for Allah? Are you kidding me?).
Not in a million years is that the same as promising vulnerable and poor girls and women a job and a better life that then, later, ends up being a lie, with them having their last shred of self-worth as human beings stripped away at the hands of organized trafficking.
You cannot compare the two at all
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You can't compare what they ARE, but you can compare how the people are lured into it. We don't know what was said to her to lure her to Syria but as an educated guess: it probably wasn't the truth. It had to do with Allah but ISIL is not the only thing relating to Allah. I'm PRETTY sure they didn't know what ISIL was doing if they wanted to leave right after getting there and figuring out what it was truly like...
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Originally posted by ontherocks
Teenagers can be easily influenced. They can be easily radicalized. That is also the reason why extremists always want to attract young members. The younger, the better.
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No, they can't. Teenagers are 100% mentally developed, intellectual beings who think rationally.
ATRL educates me once again.
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Originally posted by Corsola
It is though. The situation in which they were lied to is completely different, but the way they managed to fall for it is the same. They are promised a much better life and obviously go out to seek that life and end up getting ****ed. Do you ACTUALLY think the recruiters tell the kids ''Hey, come with us so you can help us kill everyone in the most efficient way possible while we treat you like a sub-human''? Like seriously. It's called brainwashing for a reason.
Also your whole ''you haven't bled me yet!!!!!'' posts are annoying and excessive.
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This is literally a website, if you're annoyed by my posts then log off or block me. Its really not that hard.
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Good. We don't need more of them.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Chyene
This is literally a website, if you're annoyed by my posts then log off or block me. Its really not that hard.
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If you choose to ignore the part of my post that relates to the topic directly explaining why you're wrong and going in to ONLY reply to a P.S., I think that says a lot about how moot your point truly is.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by HEIDI
No, they can't. Teenagers are 100% mentally developed, intellectual beings who think rationally.
ATRL educates me once again.
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Tbh though, in most countries the age of criminal responsibility kicks in around 10-13, they were old enough to think for themselves.
It all comes back to stupidity; if they were unaware of what they might see under ISIS in Syria, they were naive and stupid. ISIS their profile was not as huge back then but they were well-known and committing acts of terror which was given good coverage in the media.
How many of y'all have even come across ISIS tweets/recruiters on Twitter or whatever? You'd have to actually seek out extremist material tbh...
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Originally posted by Reader
Tbh though, in most countries the age of criminal responsibility kicks in around 10-13, they were old enough to think for themselves.
It all comes back to stupidity; if they were unaware of what they might see under ISIS in Syria, they were naive and stupid. ISIS their profile was not as huge back then but they were well-known and committing acts of terror which was given good coverage in the media.
How many of y'all have even come across ISIS tweets/recruiters on Twitter or whatever? You'd have to actually seek out extremist material tbh...
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My whole point was that their naivete was abused, so I don't see why they're being blamed for their death.
There's actually been 7 happenings of ISIS recruiting attempts in my town since last year (I live in Finland in a city that has a population of 100k). Scary stuff.
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