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Poll: Are you for or against the Death Penalty?
View Poll Results: For or against?
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For.
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35.35% |
Against.
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51.52% |
I'm indifferent.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 27,248
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
Exactly. Prison should be about rehabilitation, or in the case of irreparably heinous crimes, making sure they can't be committed again. Surprised to see so many people focusing on REVENGE. Why don't we just bring back the public hangings and burning at the stake since y'all seem to get your life to people being punished by force (regardless of whether they're innocent or not)
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There's nothing wrong with focusing on the retributive aspect instead of just the rehabilitative aspect. I'm not exactly for or against, but we have to consider that crimes are getting way more heinous. A restorative justice system might not be a strong enough deterrent.
Then again that might be why there are more "suicide attacks", if we're talking about terrorism.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 15,732
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Prison is not for them to ''rot'' in there.
It's to take their freedom so they don't continue comitting crimes.
They still have a human life but a controlled.
That ''if you do bad, you deserve to suffer (or even die)''-mentality is so stupid and childish.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
Posts: 21,558
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Against, simply because I don't think death is a punishment.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 709
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Originally posted by debutante
Against. Not out of compassion for murderers/rapists etc but due to the fact that governments having power to execute their own people is extremely dangerous.
Also, there is no evidence to suggest it actually prevents crime.
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it dun prevent crime, but lower the crime rate. Singapore has death penalty for people who kidnap others, drugs or murder.
Singapore is so much safer than America. I don't worry getting murder in Singapore.
Moreover, you pay so much taxes to the government. and gov use those money to feed those murderers....yucks...waste taxpayers money.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 709
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for those who against it, wait till ur love ones get murder by someone, see whether u will still against death penalty or not.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 5,905
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Originally posted by holyground
There's nothing wrong with focusing on the retributive aspect instead of just the rehabilitative aspect. I'm not exactly for or against, but we have to consider that crimes are getting way more heinous. A restorative justice system might not be a strong enough deterrent.
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And the death penalty is? Were that the case, we wouldn't still need to practice it centuries later. The fact is, no one commits a crime thinking they'll get caught, much less put on death row and sentenced to execution. And since executions are done in private, where no one can see it, the topic is pretty much never on anyone's mind until the actual debate is brought up. If you want it to be a true deterrent, you'd have to give it visibility, ie: bringing public executions back so people will be aware of it. Maybe a public event people can bring their kids to like a sporting event, a la public hanging/guillotine back in the 16th century. Or we can jump into the 21st century and have it be a live televised/live streamed event. If that sounds okay with you
While death as a deterrent for crime sounds an awful lot like North Korea or any of the mid-20th century tyrannical dictatorships, even if we WERE to adopt that policy, it seems obvious to me that the logical, compassionate human being would place saving the lives of innocent people above the bloodlust for people who've committed crimes. The world is no safer if a serial rapist is put on the electric chair than if he's locked into some maximum security facility to rot for the rest of his life where he's no threat to society. There world is, however, much more unjust if one completely innocent person is taken from their family and executed with our tax dollars, to satisfy our primitive desire for vengeance and bloodlust.
* and just as an aside, I think a lot of people in this thread (myself included using the example above) are falsely equating the death penalty with punishment for truly heinous crimes. Many of the people sentenced to death are given that sentence for killing one person -- you may think this is totally justifiable (and eye for an eye) which I don't totally agree with, but that's fine. It's just important to remember execution isn't reserved for people who are serial killers/rapists/terrorists (people even a compassionate person like myself would consider beyond rehabilitation). Average people who get caught up in bad situations and make terrible choices in the moment are sentenced to it too: just see the link I posted above, of the guy who was at work while someone murdered his wife, and he was nearly executed for it (having spent 25 years in jail fighting it until he was eventually miraculously acquitted on DNA evidence).
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 3,817
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Maybe they should be locked in a room where they're never let out, and food is brought to them and they're constantly chained up. I don't know. I agree with the OP but I also agree with the people saying their are many cases where people have been executed for false accusations.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 709
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Originally posted by Toya
Y'all are crazy if you think prison nowadays is this torturous place where these people are thrown away all alone with nothing to do but reflect on their crimes. Not when they're in there with iPhones posting pictures and messages to people on Facebook (look it up), playing Xbox, watching tv, and eating Popeye's all because they managed to go a whole week without stabbing a guard.
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agree, Europe prison is so luxurious. government waste taxpayers money on trash. while there are still homeless people in their countries. government should use the money on homeless people but not murderers.
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Member Since: 5/1/2012
Posts: 10,570
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Against. No man has the right to take away each other's life. Justice as we know it is flawed.
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Member Since: 11/20/2010
Posts: 23,541
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I'm not God and i'm not a murderer
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by samngchaoyu
it dun prevent crime, but lower the crime rate. Singapore has death penalty for people who kidnap others, drugs or murder.
Singapore is so much safer than America. I don't worry getting murder in Singapore.
Moreover, you pay so much taxes to the government. and gov use those money to feed those murderers....yucks...waste taxpayers money.
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Your post seems to imply America doesn't have a death penalty for murder, but we do, and you still wouldn't feel safe here in your own words
(and sentencing someone to death for drug use is absolutely absurd, if that's true).
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Originally posted by samngchaoyu
for those who against it, wait till ur love ones get murder by someone, see whether u will still against death penalty or not.
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Again, there is a reason we (in the US, don't know about Singapore) have adopted a JURY by your PEERS (and not the victims' families) system. Because if it MATTERED what the victims or their families thought, EVERY crime (rape, molestation, domestic violence, robbery/theft) would be met with the death penalty
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
Posts: 709
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
Your post seems to imply America doesn't have a death penalty for murder, but we do, and you still wouldn't feel safe here in your own words
(and sentencing someone to death for drug use is absolutely absurd, if that's true).
Again, there is a reason we (in the US, don't know about Singapore) have adopted a JURY by your PEERS (and not the victims' families) system. Because if it MATTERED what the victims or their families thought, EVERY crime (rape, molestation, domestic violence, robbery/theft) would be met with the death penalty
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but death penalty in america is not frequently use in most states. some states do not even have death penalty. that what i mean.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 27,248
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
And the death penalty is? Were that the case, we wouldn't still need to practice it centuries later. The fact is, no one commits a crime thinking they'll get caught, much less put on death row and sentenced to execution. And since executions are done in private, where no one can see it, the topic is pretty much never on anyone's mind until the actual debate is brought up. If you want it to be a true deterrent, you'd have to give it visibility, ie: bringing public executions back so people will be aware of it. Maybe a public event people can bring their kids to like a sporting event, a la public hanging/guillotine back in the 16th century. Or we can jump into the 21st century and have it be a live televised/live streamed event. If that sounds okay with you
While death as a deterrent for crime sounds an awful lot like North Korea or any of the mid-20th century tyrannical dictatorships, even if we WERE to adopt that policy, it seems obvious to me that the logical, compassionate human being would place saving the lives of innocent people above the bloodlust for people who've committed crimes. The world is no safer if a serial rapist is put on the electric chair than if he's locked into some maximum security facility to rot for the rest of his life where he's no threat to society. There world is, however, much more unjust if one completely innocent person is taken from their family and executed with our tax dollars, to satisfy our primitive desire for vengeance and bloodlust.
* and just as an aside, I think a lot of people in this thread (myself included using the example above) are falsely equating the death penalty with punishment for truly heinous crimes. Many of the people sentenced to death are given that sentence for killing one person -- you may think this is totally justifiable (and eye for an eye) which I don't totally agree with, but that's fine. It's just important to remember execution isn't reserved for people who are serial killers/rapists/terrorists (people even a compassionate person like myself would consider beyond rehabilitation). Average people who get caught up in bad situations and make terrible choices in the moment are sentenced to it too: just see the link I posted above, of the guy who was at work while someone murdered his wife, and he was nearly executed for it (having spent 25 years in jail fighting it until he was eventually miraculously acquitted on DNA evidence).
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Um but one of the most important functions of punishment is as a deterrent, no? I don't know why you're equating the death penalty as a deterrent to public execution because it doesn't have to work that way in order for it to deter.
But yes, the main disadvantage is the fallibility of the judicial system.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 27,248
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Quote:
Originally posted by samngchaoyu
it dun prevent crime, but lower the crime rate. Singapore has death penalty for people who kidnap others, drugs or murder.
Singapore is so much safer than America. I don't worry getting murder in Singapore.
Moreover, you pay so much taxes to the government. and gov use those money to feed those murderers....yucks...waste taxpayers money.
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Apparently the death sentence is more costly than life imprisonment.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 12,199
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
Exactly. Prison should be about rehabilitation, or in the case of irreparably heinous crimes, making sure they can't be committed again. Surprised to see so many people focusing on REVENGE. Why don't we just bring back the public hangings and burning at the stake since y'all seem to get your life to people being punished by force (regardless of whether they're innocent or not)
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An eye for an eye. You best believe if anyone murdered a member of my family, I would seek revenge. The movie Law Abiding Citizen best describes how they should be treated
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Member Since: 3/19/2012
Posts: 7,835
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Originally posted by samngchaoyu
it dun prevent crime, but lower the crime rate. Singapore has death penalty for people who kidnap others, drugs or murder.
Singapore is so much safer than America. I don't worry getting murder in Singapore.
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But Singapore isn't free! It has the death penalty for everything, even minor offenses like smoking cigarettes, not flushing public toilets, having gay sex, spitting on the sidewalk, possession of chewing gum, drug trafficking or carrying concealed firearms.
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Member Since: 4/10/2012
Posts: 14,915
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Originally posted by samngchaoyu
agree, Europe prison is so luxurious. government waste taxpayers money on trash. while there are still homeless people in their countries. government should use the money on homeless people but not murderers.
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I agree.
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I saw someone mention permanent solitary confinement, I'd be here for that too but I am definitely FOR the death penalty for murderers.
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