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Celeb News: Gaga: "I may not be conservative but I'm Christian"
Member Since: 5/15/2010
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Originally posted by Melquiades
You cant be Christian and NOT be conservative, sorry. If you stand by Christianity´s values then you are a conservative, plain and simple.
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WTF is wrong with you?  I'm Christian but I have fairly liberal views, do you even know the Word of Jesus, you ignorant ****...
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Beatz
WTF is wrong with you? I'm Christian but I have fairly liberal views, do you even know the Word of Jesus, you ignorant ****... |
Then you live in cognitive dissonance. Christianity is the foundation and backbone of conservatisim.
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Member Since: 6/6/2012
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Originally posted by loveless
Yes, your are correct. Catholics do identify as Christians. I was describing a Christian who was born-again and saved (which to me is an authentic Christian). Most Catholics are not born-again or know that they are saved, which was my point. I should have been a little bit more clear  |
But you calling one type of Christianity to be "authentic" is wrong, there's no such thing, every religion is authentic to its believers.
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Mess at all the posts in here. Only Christian,farmer,non eventful Joanne can do this 
Still Gaga is freaking me out and giving me DONNA SUMMERS TEA Next thing we know, a secret recording of her will resurface and she rebukes gays as immoral and disgusting sinners. 
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Kamil24
But you calling one type of Christianity to be "authentic" is wrong, there's no such thing, every religion is authentic to its believers.
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Its wrong to you because you live in a world of relativism and few absolutes-- a world were everything is right to everybody who believes it is. I don't. My worldview-' the biblical one-- deals with absolute truth. For me, 2+2 will always equal 4. It will never equal 1 or 5 or 13 no matter how sincerely a person believes it should.
The Bible claims to be the inspired word of God, or ultimate truth. It claims that there is ONE correct path to God, and it details how to reach him. By doing that it rejects all other claims to God. It claims that every other way to God is false.
So I can say one group of people is more authentic than another when using the Bible as the standard and still be in the right. However, I don't think you're in a position to claim I'm wrong if I sincerely believe I'm right, as your worldview doesn't allow for that...unless you do, in fact, believe in absolute truth.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Beatz
WTF is wrong with you? I'm Christian but I have fairly liberal views, do you even know the Word of Jesus, you ignorant ****... |
wow, that last line... how peaceful and loving 
I suggest you to start reading bible btw.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by loveless
Its wrong to you because you live in a world of relativism and few absolutes-- a world were everything is right to everybody who believes it is. I don't. My worldview-' the biblical one-- deals with absolute truth. For me, 2+2 will always equal 4. It will never equal 1 or 5 or 13 no matter how sincerely a person believes it should.
The Bible claims to be the inspired word of God, or ultimate truth. It claims that there is ONE correct path to God, and it details how to reach him. By doing that it rejects all other claims to God. It claims that every other way to God is false.
So I can say one group of people is more authentic than another when using the Bible as the standard and still be in the right. However, I don't think you're in a position to claim I'm wrong if I sincerely believe I'm right, as your worldview doesn't allow for that...unless you do, in fact, believe in absolute truth.
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the bible is anything but the "truth of life" sis, more like lies.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
the bible is anything but the "truth of life" sis, more like lies.
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You're entitled to your opinion, which is no more valid than an opinion on taste, style or attraction, according to your atheistic worldview. Just because you think something is wrong, doesn't make it so. As an atheist, you have to acknowledge that my worldview may be right and moral even though you don't personally believe it is. Just as you have to acknowledge that raw meat may taste great even though you personally find it disgusting, because somebody else may find it delicious. Like I said, your entitled to your personal opinion, which is all you comment was, sis.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by loveless
You're entitled to your opinion, which is no more valid than an opinion on taste, style or attraction, according to your atheistic worldview. Just because you think something is wrong, doesn't make it so. As an atheist, you have to acknowledge that my worldview may be right and moral even though you don't personally believe it is. Just as you have to acknowledge that raw meat may taste great even though you personally find it disgusting, because somebody else may find it delicious. Like I said, your entitled to your personal opinion, which is all you comment was, sis.
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yeah, I doubt a book full of contradictions and false statements can be considered as any type of "fact". So you think women should obey men? Gay people should be murdered as well as non-belivers? Because that's how your invisible man in the sky ruled in your book that you agree and have faith in. Let's just ignore scientific facts that disprove a lot of things your god ruled to be true and real in it as well, sis.
Yes, you have the right to believe those things, but they doesn't make them right.
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Some of you are so stupid. She isn't saying that one must be Christian to be morally correct or right. This is Gaga that we are talking about, the Christian who released Judas on Easter and swallowed a church necklace thing in the Alejandro video. She, like most semi-religious Christians in the US, believes in the basic teachings of Jesus that revolve around being kind to one another, being accepting, loving the homeless, not "coveting thy neighbor's wife" etc. Of course she believes in defending the LGBT+ community, of course she supports all other religions, and of course she realizes the Bible itself is not a written law or rule book to live by, etc. She's not some ignorant random from Utah or Kansas.
Most important is Gaga's ITALIAN Roman Catholic upbringing, which is historically very relaxed and is more of a cultural family thing than a religious thing. Roman Catholic holidays, even in Italy, are more focused on familial gatherings and cooking food, dancing to music, and drinking wine. They say grace before eating the main course and that's it.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ReplayButton
I hate fake Christians like these I mean you can't take parts of christianity and ignore others as you like. It's a all or nothing situation, if you're Christian you're against gays and sex before marriage etc because the bible CLEARLY states so and if you don't respect those rules you're not a Christian |
I know, she is either deist or maybe agnostic if she believes in higher power/god but saying you're christian means you accept what christianity actually stands for 100%, you can't pick and choose and be fake. I guess since she believes in higher power, she doesn't want to leave out her family's religion so she just chooses to say she believes in god, but not the things that are written for such religious belief.
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Why did I even think this Era would be less messy?
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Member Since: 4/20/2012
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Originally posted by AvrilLaQueen
I know, she is either deist or maybe agnostic if she believes in higher power/god but saying you're christian means you accept what christianity actually stands for 100%, you can't pick and choose and be fake. I guess since she believes in higher power, she doesn't want to leave out her family's religion so she just chooses to say she believes in god, but not the things that are written for such religious belief.
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You are completely wrong. She identifies as a Roman Catholic Christian and was confirmed when she was a teenager. That's all that matters, and you have zero authority over what she chooses to identify as. There are many, many sects of Christianity, and she is part of one that is very relaxed and socially progressive. Almost all Christian churches around NYC and surrounding states teach *very* liberal and accepting parts of Christianity and ignore the obvious stone-age parts regarding hating gays and stoning women.
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
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She will need a prayer or two next week
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One second I'm an LGBT ally, then suddenly the Christian is me!
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Originally posted by dreeam
Why did I even think this Era would be less messy?
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What is messy about her saying she's a Christian? 
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Member Since: 7/23/2010
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Originally posted by Melquiades
You cant be Christian and NOT be conservative, sorry. If you stand by Christianity´s values then you are a conservative, plain and simple.
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Who gets to decide what a "Christian" entails? There is not just one Christianity nor is there just one specific orientation that all Christians should espouse. Christianity is not a monolithic, unified religion. It's deeply fractured into tens of thousands of differing and opposing interpretations and opinions. You seem to reduce it only to its earlier traditionalist branches (Orthodox and Catholic) and ignore the whole new branch (Protestantism) that followed which created a new way of thinking. Not only is it possible to not be conservative (or be liberal) and be a Christian but the whole concept of Liberalism itself was built on Protestant Reformation principles. John Locke, the Father of Liberalism, whose political philosophy was influenced by his Calvinist theology which was a radical liberal Christian sect. it comes as no surprise that the most liberal countries today are primarily located in Protestant strongholds like: England, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway. Jesus, himself, was pretty liberal for his time. He rallied against the traditional order and the stranglehold of the religious leaders over the Jewish people.
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