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Originally posted by KingKunta
Give me 20 songs Madonna had written completely by herself. I'll wait.
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Madonna writing 20 songs by herself validates what?
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Originally posted by Rusty
You're clearly delusional or just desperate to pretend Michael isn't an incredible songwriter. Almost all of his biggest hits are solo-written by him. He's in the Songwriters Hall Of Fame for a reason.
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Michael is an incredible songwriter.
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Originally posted by Rusty
You're saying Madge, an artist who wrote none of her hits solo and needed a team to create her songs, is a better/more accomplished songwriter than HOF-inducted Jackson, who, as aforementioned, wrote the majority of his hits alone, despite you implying he does what Madge does. Please, accept you're delulu without being so salty.
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Someone being in the Hall of Fame for songwriting doesn't necessarily mean they are a "better" songwriter than anyone. It all boils down to preference and opinion. You can have someone in the songwriting Hall of Fame but someone may not prefer or even like their lyrics. It's all completely subjective. That's like saying someone is a better artist than someone else because they have more Grammy Awards or Video Music Awards.
Oh and Madonna is a great songwriter.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Madge uses a writing team to write songs. Michael Jackson wrote songs. Quantity is your gauge of songwriting ability? Mess. Being solo-written shows personal songwriting ability, hence Jackson has been in the HOF for it for years. Madge's artistry lies with her performances, not her songwriting. Literally, you sound personally offended by that and the need to act like she is somehow a more accomplished lyricist despite her work showing she can't write without plenty of help. What even.
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Michael also uses a writing team to write songs as well so that's out the window. Being solo-written doesn't necessarily show personal songwriting ability because sometimes it might be crap. At the end of the day, it's about how the audience can connect and appreciate the lyrics despite being written solo or with a group of writers.
Madonna's artistry lies with her performances AND her songwriting. It goes for BOTH aspects of her artistry just as it does with Michael.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Accomplished as a songwriter means being better at songwriting, not having done more of it (if that's what we're saying Madge does). Writing songs alone and getting awarded with a HOF induction shows songwriting accomplishment. The irony of you calling me illiterate 
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Madonna has written songs by herself and is actually nominated for a HOF induction, correct? Now I don't know if she got in this year or not, but when she eventually does the fact is she has written songs by herself AND got a HOF induction. Does that mean her and Michael are equal in terms of songwriting artistry? Again, it all boils down to preference and opinion.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Let me say it again. Madonna is a more accomplished songwriter and producer than Michael Jackson was. You can rant about the hall of fame till your mom comes calling, my point will remain as such. Now move on, illiterate.
