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Discussion: Is the Beyonce praise becoming a cliche??
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Originally posted by ISlayForX
She has a legendary PR team with awareness completely on their side. People are not insecure about her praise because is something that sounds tailored by her flawless PR team.
Her greedy fans, their insecurities, their necessity to live their through Beyonce and the achievements they will never reach or have the money to pay for, their overall delusion & selective memory and morals are just insane.
In reality she is just a busisness woman with little to zero respect for creative property and a severe lack of artistic integrity, an average voice (they need to get over it, she was just NOT blessed with an outstading voice), a great PR team, a racist clique and a racially oppressed fanbase full ignorance and unmatchable delusion.
I guess those are the traits to a win in the mind of fools...
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 you went in so hard that halfway through it all you could express is how much her success afects you... you let it all out sis... don't expose your embarassing insecure self like that for nothing
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by ISlayForX
She has a legendary PR team with awareness completely on their side. People are not insecure about her praise because is something that sounds tailored by her flawless PR team.
Her greedy fans, their insecurities, their necessity to live their through Beyonce and the achievements they will never reach or have the money to pay for, their overall delusion & selective memory and morals are just insane.
In reality she is just a busisness woman with little to zero respect for creative property and a severe lack of artistic integrity, an average voice (they need to get over it, she was just NOT blessed with an outstading voice), a great PR team, a racist clique and a racially oppressed fanbase full ignorance and unmatchable delusion.
I guess those are the traits to a win in the mind of fools...
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industry connections and label manipulations
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Originally posted by Havoc
Your idea of "receipts" is limited to single sales and chart positions, which wouldn't have anything to do with whether or not she deserves praise. Lets not.
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Well not even just there. Grammy night she proved her limits. The praise she receives is overrated, IMO. She can sing but she's not legend level.
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I still want to know what EXACTLY her PR team does. Why hasn't anyone answered that question? It seems to me that people are just saying that as a way to try to cheapen her career without even really thinking it through.
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People saying her "PR team" when they suck. People are saying "label" when she actually ditched her label and started her own. People are saying her "industry connections" but she has met the same people that every other popular artist has met.
If anything her team is family and loyalty-based, with most her team originating from the beginning of DC4 in 1997. She has the same A&R, the same stylist, the same publicist, and the VP of her label is her cousin/was her assistant.
Random accusations and excuses with no merit or basis.
Unlike a Britney Spears or a Lady Gaga, Beyonce actually worked to garner the praise she receives. It did not happen overnight, and she has a 17/18 year career of consistency and work ethic that people admire.
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Originally posted by thirdward
Like fave like stan
I guess
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I prefer chips over fried chicken tbh
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The thing that annoys me is that Beyonce herself is so media obsessed.
Remember when she wanted all her SB pics deleted like that's censorship 
How dare she
Or her constantly photoshopping her IG pics.
The obsession with appearing perfect is making me sick
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And that's why I left it open. It's level headed!
Haters gonna hate (and they will be warned/banned), but there's an actual debate that can happen here?
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Originally posted by Havoc
I still want to know what EXACTLY her PR team does. Why hasn't anyone answered that question? It seems to me that people are just saying that as a way to try to cheapen her career without even really thinking it through.
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They won't answer because they have no answer. They will flock to say the SB pics and that's it.
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Originally posted by BnPac
It's funny reading threads like these.
Bey's very first pregnancy was dragged throughout, it was called fake, attention whoring and everything before the sun. That pregnancy thing was so big that it would have ended some of your faves' career and drove some of your weak faves to insane depression.
Beyoncé is always presented as the girl who lacks any type of personality, any type of intelligence despite starting her own business, knowing how to manage her life intelligently.
Beyoncé's best performances are always criticized when your faves have to only give a 100th of that skill to be praised as "good" or "slaying".
Beyoncé's marriage has been called a sham, a fake union, a cheating mascarade by the media. They tried so hard and at all cost to either interject the navy's fave, Dame's wife and countless women to prove a point.
Let's not forget how quickly the SB's pics spread across the town, it was on CNN, on major news outlets. So were the pics of the l' Oréal photo shoot or the ridiculous rumors of her marriage. And yet, the media is soft on her? Wasn't she dragged across the servers in favor of Beck for something Kanye West said?
Or did we forget how her letter to the President's wife caused havoc and stayed the subject of every media outlet for more than 3 months? She was dragged as none of your faves have ever been? Or the DC's breakup? The whole Dreamgirls' movies? How she was ridiculed and mocked endlessly when her co-star got an Oscar like it took something away from her? For a whole year too!!! Your faves have never been dragged as much as Bey. Her BB's perf? The difference is that all through that Beyoncé still has her LOUD talent to fall back on.
And lol @ PR team, Bey's publicist is the worst publicist in the business. She is so bad that 10 years ago all her clients left, only Bey stayed because she has been around since she was a little girl.
She is so insanely talented. She is the best vocalist of her generation. The haters will ask you : "so what? Whitney and Barbara are better?"
She is an incredible dancer. The haters will tell you : "who cares? They are better dancers!".
She is stunning beyond words..."oh but there is somewhere in the world some woman more beautiful"
And then you have to wonder why they stan for who they stan for? Because most of their faves are not even good at something. Bey is at least excellent at most things. And instead of looking for people better than her at things where she excels at, some people who like effort and talent just take what she offers for an amazing gift, which it is.
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I appreciate the thought you put into this, but it's ridiculous to even suggest that she was treated worse by the media than many of our faves. Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Britney, Gaga and Rihanna have all been through actual career-threatening s**t storms. Bey gets occasional shade/prodding and stupid tabloid rumors, but she is also always properly defended and the media still kisses her butt the vast majority of the time. Her career was never at risk for any media-driven fiasco.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I appreciate the thought you put into this, but it's ridiculous to even suggest that she was treated worse by the media than many of our faves. Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Britney, Gaga and Rihanna have all been through actual career-threatening s**t storms. Bey gets occasional shade/prodding and stupid tabloid rumors, but she is also always properly defended and the media still kisses her butt the vast majority of the time. Her career was never at risk for any media-driven fiasco.
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I appreciate the thought you put into this, but it's ridiculous to even suggest that she was treated worse by the media than many of our faves. Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Britney, Gaga and Rihanna have all been through actual career-threatening s**t storms. Bey gets occasional shade/prodding and stupid tabloid rumors, but she is also always properly defended and the media still kisses her butt the vast majority of the time. Her career was never at risk for any media-driven fiasco.
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What career-threatening storm has Rihanna gone through? And please don't say the incident because that was detrimental Chris' career, not hers
The difference is that any **** that Madonna, Britney and Gaga that may have damaged their careers they brought on themselves. Beyonce did nothing to deserve the flack she got her pregnancy or her marriage and wasn't at fault for the DC-break up incident yet people still ripped her to shreds anyway.
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I think the media criticizes her when she needs to be, but her fans are COCKY as hell and that's the problem. They talk more for Beyonce than Beyonce herself. And if you dare say something about her in any other light that isn't worshiping her, *most* attack you.
See the ever-growing list of people the Beyhive attacked: Rih when she was new, Amerie, J. Lo, Brit, Ashanti, Michelle (how she's always messing it up for the group), TLC, Keri Hilson, Ciara, T. Swift (vmas), Beck, Kid Rock, Raven Symone, Ryn Weaver, and probably MORE that I can't even remember right now.
When your fanbase attacks pretty much every other artist that's not Beyonce it becomes too much.
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Originally posted by Havoc
What career-threatening storm has Rihanna gone through? And please don't say the incident because that was detrimental Chris' career, not hers
The difference is that any **** that Madonna, Britney and Gaga that may have damaged their careers they brought on themselves. Beyonce did nothing to deserve the flack she got her pregnancy or her marriage and wasn't at fault for the DC-break up incident yet people still ripped her to shreds anyway.
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Rihanna hasn't been through **** career threatening. If anything the incident gave her career more legs. Gaga bought the damage upon herself by letting the media build her up, believing in her own hype, and then catching feelings over it.
Britney and Madonna would be the only two have had severe scrutiny. Mariah drove her damn self crazy. But none of them had to endure fake pregnancy rumors after having miscarried. A lesser pop star would have gone crazy by now, but Bey maintains. And that is the problem. She maintains. She flies above it, so the scrutiny and shade seems far less monumental then the praise she gets.
Again, no one can tell us was her PR team has done so magnificently to contribute to the praise and admiration she gets.
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Originally posted by Havoc
What career-threatening storm has Rihanna gone through? And please don't say the incident because that was detrimental Chris' career, not hers
The difference is that any **** that Madonna, Britney and Gaga that may have damaged their careers they brought on themselves. Beyonce did nothing to deserve the flack she got her pregnancy or her marriage and wasn't at fault for the DC-break up incident yet people still ripped her to shreds anyway.
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Well we can START by the backlash she got from the Beyhive just for being Rihanna chosen by Jay Z. Don't even pretend that Bey didn't end careers once upon a time hence Mia, Ashanti, Kelly Rowland, Keri Hilson, etc. Let us please not forget Chrisgate. The whole "she's a druggie that can't sing" fiasco. The whole she's screwing every man her eye lands on fiascos yet Rihanna hasn't had any career killing times--I call BS! The media was either PRO BEYONCE and ANTI RIHANNA--no in-between. They tried to crush Rihanna at every turn and she had no media machine or PR machine behind her to take the blows like Bey did.
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Originally posted by Drayb
Well we can START by the backlash she got from the Beyhive just for being Rihanna chosen by Jay Z. Don't even pretend that Bey didn't end careers once upon a time hence Mia, Ashanti, Kelly Rowland, Keri Hilson, etc. Let us please not forget Chrisgate. The whole "she's a druggie that can't sing" fiasco. The whole she's screwing every man her eye lands on fiascos yet Rihanna hasn't had any career killing times--I call BS! The media was either PRO BEYONCE and ANTI RIHANNA--no in-between. They tried to crush Rihanna at every turn and she had no media machine or PR machine behind her to take the blows like Bey did.
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OK. No. Her being romantically linked to Jay was something SHE used to keep her name out there, so let's not. And unlike others who denounced those rumors when they were involved, she said nothing. Her and her team road those rumors because SHE wanted the press and attention. Rihanna's hasn't faced half of the crap Bey has had to endure from the media. So bringing up something that happened to your fave like 10 years ago is meaningless.
And if Rihanna is rumored to be sleeping with some guy every other month that's on her. Her being industry puss is not discussed on CNN, Fox News, etc. You can keep the blog stories. Bey actually makes international and national news for all the BS talked about her.
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Her "PR team" yall keep mentioning is literally the flawless presentation of her work. It's not like she pays tabloids or websites to write good things. Damn Buzzfeed are her biggest stans and yet when Yvette asked if they could remove a few pictures on one post, they exposed her letter and led that **** to blow up.
So no. There is no "PR machine". She simply knows how to present good work. Whatever she does she'll give it 110% and it'll reflect back positively.
For examples, the roll out of ST could have been a mess if the videos were **** and the music was subpar. But since everything was neatly packaged and well done, the media could do nothing but praise it. In retrospect, it's easy to say that ST was only a success for its release strategy, but that's just the illusion that Beyoncé's work ethic gives. She makes everything she does look effortless.
That's the "PR" behind her...to never put out below average material whether it's a performance, music, a commercial, etc.
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Originally posted by Drayb
Well we can START by the backlash she got from the Beyhive just for being Rihanna chosen by Jay Z. Don't even pretend that Bey didn't end careers once upon a time hence Mia, Ashanti, Kelly Rowland, Keri Hilson, etc. Let us please not forget Chrisgate. The whole "she's a druggie that can't sing" fiasco. The whole she's screwing every man her eye lands on fiascos yet Rihanna hasn't had any career killing times--I call BS! The media was either PRO BEYONCE and ANTI RIHANNA--no in-between. They tried to crush Rihanna at every turn and she had no media machine or PR machine behind her to take the blows like Bey did.
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Oh please. The whole Rihanna/Jay-Z thing was a rumor only heard on blogs/message boards. That was never going to have any type of effect on her career. Bey's scandals get actual full blown media coverage. Big difference. Her sleeping with celeb A, B and C isn't really that big of a thing either. Hell, I'd say Taylor has gotten more backlash for her love life than Rihanna has.
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