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Discussion: A legend, an icon, a hasbeen, or a nonfactor: ANGELINA JOLIE
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Perhaps she hasn't attained a "legend" status at this point in time, but she's closer to the title than any of her contemporaries. Please forgive me if it appears I'm jumping the gun, but I'm willing to declare Britney a legend because, well, few of her peers can really rival her in terms of success, notoriety, or influence. And the few that are even close to being on the same playing field still have a lot of catching up to do.
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LEGEND.
DEAL.
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Before she was a sort of Icon now she is a hasbeen + sort of nonfactor
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Icon, that'll never transition into legend status.
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I say this as a Britney fan, but I'm trying to be objective...
She is everything.
She is an icon, undoubtedly. The biggest female star of the past decade (joins Eminem as the biggest male and Coldplay as the biggest band - the trinity of the 00s).
She probably will be regarded as a legend one day, but it is not guaranteed.
But right now she is a hasbeen, with an album that while fun and catchy, does nothing to further her legacy and underperformed around the world, a tour that has not sold out to the level you'd expect of someone like Britney, and the fact that she has become a joke of a performer does nothing but hurt her status. She is not a threat to anyone right now, she's just coasting on the memory of "old Britney" and the rest of the world (apart from US) has already left that behind as evidenced by the era borderline flopping elsewhere. She needs to record an album that pushes her creative boundaries and ****ing step her game up as a performer in a HUGE way.
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Originally posted by Lately 1814
Icon, that'll never transition into legend status.
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Like Janet?
no shade, I do like Janet
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Without a doubt: a living legend and a music icon forever!
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Icon.
I think there should be more options. With these 4, any artists who haven't been long enough to be called icon or legend = hasbeen/ nonfactor. Really unfair.
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Icon.
I can't at some of her fans thinking she's a "Legend"? To each their own I guess.
My gripe is that the future will remember meltdown Britney more than they do "...Baby One More Time" Britney. The simple fact that she's more notable for her personal problems than her musical genius says a lot about where her status really stands.
To be a legend an artists has to be...first of all an artist...then they have to capture the attention and respect of the public through their music, then later garner respect throughout the industry, and last inspire a new generation of superstars and talented musicians.
I don't think Britney has done all that. She's had the big numbers, but what else? I just don't see it for ha.
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Originally posted by Patrick
Perhaps she hasn't attained a "legend" status at this point in time, but she's closer to the title than any of her contemporaries. Please forgive me if it appears I'm jumping the gun, but I'm willing to declare Britney a legend because, well, few of her peers can really rival her in terms of success, notoriety, or influence. And the few that are even close to being on the same playing field still have a lot of catching up to do.
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This.
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the future will remember meltdown Britney more than they do "...Baby One More Time" Britney. The simple fact that she's more notable for her personal problems than her musical genius says a lot about where her status really stands.
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I think people really overrate the breakdown, yes it was memorable. Yes it was huge and yes it will be remembered. But as time goes on it will fade and it will become more and more distant. I don't think people even remember the breakdown that vividly anymore and as Britney continues to release music, succeed and have more and more success that is what people will end up remembering when they look at the score card at the end of her life. Not the brief year where she went crazy. As to her musical relevancy Britney is the sixth best selling female artist of all time. I mean doesn't that pretty much say it all?
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To be a legend an artists has to be...first of all an artist
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This is just painfully not true. Elvis is a legend and he didn't write a single word in his entire life time. Yet he is called the King because of his impact and sexuality.
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Legend.
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Icon. If she keeps doing what she did this year, she will remain that way.
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Originally posted by Monroe
This.
I think people really overrate the breakdown, yes it was memorable. Yes it was huge and yes it will be remembered. But as time goes on it will fade and it will become more and more distant. I don't think people even remember the breakdown that vividly anymore and as Britney continues to release music, succeed and have more and more success that is what people will end up remembering when they look at the score card at the end of her life. Not the brief year where she went crazy. As to her musical relevancy Britney is the sixth best selling female artist of all time. I mean doesn't that pretty much say it all?
This is just painfully not true. Elvis is a legend and he didn't write a single word in his entire life time. Yet he is called the King because of his impact and sexuality.
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Elvis was a musical legend tho. He had a few controversies surrounding his career, but most importantly the public remembers his MUSIC and his STAGE PRESENCE. When I think Elvis I think hip swinging, I see the hair, I hear the voice, and I'm taken into his endlessly classic discography. The fact that Britney has been unable to further her debut success into these later times translate into a forgotten legacy. An example of this is the VMA tribute she received.
Unfortunately, Britney's sales and impact were all condensed at the beginning of her career and that was a time where people saw a reason to call her a "legend in the making". As time went by, though, she was unable to prove why she should be deemed a legend. If anything, she's a tabloid legend, but if we're being real, her (recent) music isn't memorable or classic worthy, she has no outstanding awards as a representation of her contribution to music, and sure she HAD sales, but where are they now?
When I think Britney, I can't deny her cultural impact, but I don't see musical legend. She's a Marilyn Monroe (cultural icon), not a Michael Jackson (musical legend).
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Icon. She ain't no legend.
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living legend you can look but don't touch
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Icon. But not to say she can't become a legend. These next few years I think we will see, but I'm not getting my hopes up, she's been disappointing me so many times and I'm a huge fan.
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