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Poll: BIgger Anthem: Firework vs BTW
View Poll Results: Bigger Anthem
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Firework
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52.24% |
Born This Way
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47.76% |
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by iKatyCats
Find me receipts on how much it sold in Asia? Because i can't find any certifications
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That's only Japan :
Cell Phone Downloads : Born This Way - Platinum
PC Downloads : Born This Way - Platinum x 2
And those doesnt count iTunes sales , cause Oricon does not release Apple related numbers.
Japan Recording Industry Association of Japan (RIAJ)[25] — Platinum : 250,000
So that's 750,000 without physical or iTunes sales. And ONLY in Japan.
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Originally posted by iKatyCats
It appears you don't quite grasp the fact that Born this Way is a song that had over a year worth of hype and is a Debut single from Gaga's much hyped second album.
Firework was the Third single that was released 2 months after the album was ALREADY released. Meaning everyone who bought/illegally got the album already had the song.
But obviously as a little monster, your delusion makes you blind toward actual logic.
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Get em gurl
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Member Since: 10/10/2011
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As an anthem, definitely Born This Way. I don't think many people cared about Fireworks lyrics. To them it was just a catchy song. I have to say it's my favorite Katy Perry song though.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Why does no Katy stan give us any official number for Firework ? You brag about sales , but we havent seen any figures.
Born This Way is at 9 millions , as officially stated . Your turn ?!
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Member Since: 9/14/2010
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Originally posted by iKatyCats
It appears you don't quite grasp the fact that Born this Way is a song that had over a year worth of hype and is a Debut single from Gaga's much hyped second album.
Firework was the Third single that was released 2 months after the album was ALREADY released. Meaning everyone who bought/illegally got the album already had the song.
But obviously as a little monster, your delusion makes you blind toward actual logic.
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Member Since: 9/23/2011
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
Why does no Katy stan give us any official number for Firework ? You brag about sales , but we havent seen any figures.
Born This Way is at 9 millions , as officially stated . Your turn ?!
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Firework - 10,000,000+ WW
Katy Perry: The Receipts
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Originally posted by Shinning
As an anthem, definitely Born This Way. I don't think many people cared about Fireworks lyrics. To them it was just a catchy song. I have to say it's my favorite Katy Perry song though.
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!Right
It's not about sales.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by KatyCat007
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Oh a stan thread on ATRL. With no receipts.
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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But BTW came out after Firework and it was still overshadowed by it. Firework by FAR. I don't know who listens BTW anymore tbh.
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Member Since: 2/24/2012
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Originally posted by iHooker
BTW.
The other will only be remembered for one thing.
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Originally posted by BeamMeUp
That's one more thing than the other.
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This
Both are forgettable, but the opening line of Firework is kinda memorable, albeit not always for a good reason
Plus, as far as commercial success is regarded, Firework is the superior one, especially with the GP.
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Strong sales do not necessarily mean a song is an anthem. There have been many big hits that have sold well, but are uninspired lyrically. It is more complex than statistical sales data.
Anthems are more about what the song really represents and how they resonate with people at the time, and in this case during the present and future. In that case, I think a lot more people can relate to "Firework" over "Born This Way", and this will continue in the years to follow.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
That's only Japan :
Cell Phone Downloads : Born This Way - Platinum
PC Downloads : Born This Way - Platinum x 2
And those doesnt count iTunes sales , cause Oricon does not release Apple related numbers.
Japan Recording Industry Association of Japan (RIAJ)[25] — Platinum : 250,000
So that's 750,000 without physical or iTunes sales. And ONLY in Japan.
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Where did you get the extra platinum certification for the PC downloads? This site states its only Platinum, not 2x platinum.
http://www.riaj.or.jp/data/others/chart/w110920.html
That's 500k.
2200k+200k+140k >>>> 500k.
and Japan itunes sales account for less than 5% of single sales in Japan, so they're nearly irrelevant. Whip it hit #2 on iTunes but only charted at like #78?
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The question... Firework is by far better anthem, but we are on ATRL, so...
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Originally posted by B2R4D
Strong sales do not necessarily mean a song is an anthem. There have been many big hits that have sold well, but are uninspired lyrically. It is more complex than statistical sales data.
Anthems are more about what the song really represents and how they resonate with people at the time, and in this case during the present and future. In that case, I think a lot more people can relate to "Firework" over "Born This Way", and this will continue in the years to follow.
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Yes Success is not the SOLE indicator of whether a song is not an anthem or not, but it does help.
The most amazing lyrically structured song can be written, but it won't be considered an anthem if it's sales aren't mind blowing.
Firework and BTW come with the same message, so Success, longevity, awards and which one is more remembered in the future is what will help determine which is a bigger anthem, and firework wins in every context.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by iKatyCats
Where did you get the extra platinum certification for the PC downloads? This site states its only Platinum, not 2x platinum.
http://www.riaj.or.jp/data/others/chart/w110920.html
That's 500k.
2200k+200k+140k >>>> 500k.
and Japan itunes sales account for less than 5% of single sales in Japan, so they're nearly irrelevant. Whip it hit #2 on iTunes but only charted at like #78?
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The link you sent me only has Gold and Platinum certifications . There is not #xPlatinum on it..And that list was updated on August 2011 ... You know it's been a year and many months after that and she's been massively touring there.
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Firework, any day of the week. Let's be real here. More accessible, relatable, more impact.
No one remembers Born This Way outside of her fanbase and certain 'niche' groupings.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
Oh a stan thread on ATRL. With no receipts.
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I give up.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Quote:
Originally posted by iKatyCats
Yes Success is not the SOLE indicator of whether a song is not an anthem or not, but it does help.
The most amazing lyrically structured song can be written, but it won't be considered an anthem if it's sales aren't mind blowing.
Firework and BTW come with the same message, so Success, longevity, awards and which one is more remembered in the future is what will help determine which is a bigger anthem, and firework wins in every context.
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So we got :
9 millions for Born This Way and it basically won every award over Perry at the EMAs , it just lost one over her at the VMAs , where it won 2 awards in total . It also won 5 or 6 awars in Japan , it won Record Of The Year in the UK , it won 2 awards in Poland and Finland (EMMA and ESKA) and an Asian Gold Disc [certificaation awards) and those are just off the top of my head.
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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Originally posted by J a y
I give up.
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Can you BE more delusional? I mean, it is not even funny, you deny facts when it comes to comparisons between Katy and Gaga.
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