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Discussion: Was Janet Jackson Local?
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Half of you didn't know any Madonna's songs other than "Like a Virgin" and "4 Minutes" before you registered here or before Madonna's stans called Gaga out for stealing her song, or before the whole 'reductive' comment. Most of you aren't even aware of music pre-2008 (maybe pre-2004, I'll give some of you some credit). I don't know why y'all even say, "well, I never heard any song by her before coming here," like that means anything. A typical ATRL member response when talking about legends, icons and the localness of certain artists.
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Can people stop it with Madonna? seriously
She has nothing to do with this thread, stay on topic
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Originally posted by ItsKingsleyBitch
What the hell is this thread and the logic where if one person doesn't know many songs by an artist, that automatically means they are local? I don't know many Madonna songs outside of her big singles; that doesn't mean I'm gonna dare call her local. I don't know many Celine songs at all; she's not local. Da ****?
Janet was (and is - The Up Close And Personal Tour had sold out shows in much of Europe, Asia & Australia last year) an international artist and celebrity. Janet was always innovative and was known for her elaborate shows, insane choreography and provocative lyrical content. Anyone who watched For The Record (or knows anything about Britney Spears at all) knows that Janet was one of Britney's biggest influences. When Janet got signed, she had a record-breaking contract and was actually one of the highest paid entertainers in HISTORY. She has sold over 100 million records, had NUMEROUS top ten hits all over the world (yes, most of her NUMBER ONES are in the United States, but number ones are not all that matters when discussing "local"-ness). The only thing I would say is local about Janet is the movies/television portion of her career.
Aside from her music, Janet helped paved the way for black artists worldwide - her, Michael, Whitney and Prince were arguably the biggest African American stars of their time and among the first to be fully embraced by all audiences. Rihanna, Beyonce, Jennifer Lopez and others have cited her as an influence and inspiration. She consistently makes lists of top female artists of all time and her contributions to pop music and diminishing the sexual wall placed around female artists will forever be remembered.
Yes, she is Michael's sister, but Michael has more than one sister and more than one brother. Tell me if the world remembers the rest of their names. I'll wait.
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Originally posted by Swag
Can people stop it with Madonna? seriously
She has nothing to do with this thread, stay on topic
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Um, it was an example of how ignorant people are to legend/icon/veteran artist's music and past success. I am very much on topic. Calm your ****. No one's dragging her.
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Member Since: 2/2/2012
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Originally posted by Pink Panther
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Not wikipedia as a source
She is massive everywhere
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Half of you didn't know any Madonna's songs other than "Like a Virgin" and "4 Minutes" before you registered here or before Madonna's stans called Gaga out for stealing her song, or before the whole 'reductive' comment. Most of you aren't even aware of music pre-2008 (maybe pre-2004, I'll give some of you some credit). I don't know why y'all even say, "well, I never heard any song by her before coming here," like that means anything. A typical ATRL member response when talking about legends, icons and the localness of certain artists.
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I love Janet. The janet. album is everything to me, that said all you have to really do is look at her receipts to see that she was not big in Europe for the time she was most prominent (86-01). Let's be real here when ATRL posters ask if someone is local, what they really mean is, is that artist popular in Europe?
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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YES!
As an Latin American guy I can say it!, She's completely local
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I won't even debate with people who must be born after 1995.
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Of course she's a local act.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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No she's not local. I'd rather call Katy Perry local than Janet.
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Originally posted by Dark Phoenix
Of course she's a local act.
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She's not please don't divide the Madonna/Janet stans with your unnecessary hatred
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Originally posted by Monroe
I love Janet. The janet. album is everything to me, that said all you have to really do is look at her receipts to see that she was not big in Europe for the time she was most prominent (86-01). Let's be real here when ATRL posters ask if someone is local, what they really mean is, is that artist popular in Europe?
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She was extremely popular in Europe in the 90s. Together Again is one of the biggest hits of the 90s in Europe. So is That's The Way Love Goes. And let's not forget Scream. Just because a song doesn't peak at #1 doesn't mean it didn't have any impact. She sold so many millions of albums outside the US. There's more to analyzing an artist's popularity than a quick glance at the peak positions.
She is local only in a relative sense; she was more popular in the US than in the rest of the world. But that doesn't mean she wasn't one of the biggest solo artists of the 90s in Europe, because she was.
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Originally posted by Cassiopeia
Definitely. So is Kylie.
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In what dimension is Kylie less local than Janet?
Everyone knows the deal. Janet was not local in her prime. Someone with 3 WW #1s isn't local to begin with. If that's the way you wanna take her down because your fave wasn't as impressive as her in the US, it's a failed attempt.
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Originally posted by Child of Destiny
YES!
As an Latin American guy I can say it!, She's completely local
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You are so going down and I'm going to enjoy every second of it
Janet has had global impact and her legacy is cast in stone
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She is far from local. Anyone saying otherwise is HIGHLY misinformed.
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In her prime Janet was EVERYWHERE.
The only market Janet for whatever reason never really dwelled in was the Latin market. But I don't think most American artist did in the 80's and 90's which was the time of her prime.
Most of Janet's albums are sold outside the US. She has a reported 70-75 million albums sold, only about 30-35 million at the most are US sales.
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Originally posted by Kworb
She was extremely popular in Europe in the 90s. Together Again is one of the biggest hits of the 90s in Europe. So is That's The Way Love Goes. And let's not forget Scream. Just because a song doesn't peak at #1 doesn't mean it didn't have any impact. She sold so many millions of albums outside the US. There's more to analyzing an artist's popularity than a quick glance at the peak positions.
She is local only in a relative sense; she was more popular in the US than in the rest of the world. But that doesn't mean she wasn't one of the biggest solo artists of the 90s in Europe, because she was.
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And in Asia and in Latin America (I lived there and she was everywhere)
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No.
Compared to artists like Madonna, MJ, etc etc, she's 'local' but in reality she's far from it.
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Originally posted by Monroe
I love Janet. The janet. album is everything to me, that said all you have to really do is look at her receipts to see that she was not big in Europe for the time she was most prominent (86-01). Let's be real here when ATRL posters ask if someone is local, what they really mean is, is that artist popular in Europe?
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Oh but she was, The UK isn't all of Europe, (even though she had plenty of top 5 hits in the UK too). "Together Again" Topped the Europe singles Chart. And she's had Top 5 Hit's In Ireland, France, Germany, Switzerland Netherlands and ireland individually. She's Like Beyonce, Her Hits never really reached #1. But still were big anyway
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In what dimension is Kylie less local than Janet?
Everyone knows the deal. Janet was not local in her prime. Someone with 3 WW #1s isn't local to begin with. If that's the way you wanna take her down because your fave wasn't as impressive as her in the US, it's a failed attempt.
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Sis it's a Michael Fan, we know how they currently feel about Janet.
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