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Discussion: A woman or still just a girl? Discuss | BRITNEY
Member Since: 11/3/2010
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
It really amazes me how much you're obsessed by this. Really, not even Britney's biggest rater act this way. Why? Really, why? |
Just commenting on the topic at hand. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't enter such threads. Obsessed would be me crawling into her threads and commenting for no reason. A question was asked, and I answered it. It is not my fault that the answer given struck a personal nerve with you.
I just find it laughable that so many people, both on here and in the media, coddle someone who, under any other circumstances, would not only lose their children, but probably be locked away in a psychiatric ward, as well. Watching her is mentally disturbing to me.
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Originally posted by satellites™
Not that, she just was a different age for one, and a different person when she sang that. It's like using Like A Virgin with Madonna just because it's her song, when we all know her ***** has been visited more than the Grand Canyon.
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Originally posted by Patrick
I'll argue that she's a woman. Make as many off-hand comments as you'd like about the little puppet who, when it comes to her career and personal life, has been forced to relinquish some controls (it should be noted, however, that she's no longer as reliant on her father's protection/guidance as many of you claim), but if you persist that she is a child and that's your sole focus for your argument, I do feel as though you're probably ignoring the bigger picture. Would it not be important to note the significant progress she's made in turning her life around? She'll never be normal, that's for sure, but her lingering mental illness does not render her insipid or childlike. The fact her drive as a performer is diminished doesn't have any real bearing on her status as, whichever way you see it, a child or an adult. The fact that in the wake of personal strife she's adopted a certain reserve, shuns publicity and seems uneasy when interacting with the media isn't a proof that she's reverted to an infant-like state. At her very lowest it might have been reasonably argued that Britney was a child, but she is on the rebound and I don't think it's possible to make the same argument in 2011. The recovery process is long and difficult, but the fact that she's intent making improvements, healing herself, repairing relationships with her family, and being a fit mother for her children, is, in my mind, an indication that Britney has matured greatly in the past few years and has become a real woman. As much as her troubles have changed her and robbed her of some of her more endearing qualities, I do believe the process picking herself back up has instilled her with the importance of responsibility. She has plenty of responsibilities, and she takes care of them like an adult.
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This is just protective coddling.
Saying she's improved from the god awful state she was in, does not mean she's a woman, or a healed adult.
This whole paragraph (and most arguments I've seen in her defense) is the equivalent of praising a 10 year old for almost coloring within the lines.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by TheOnlyOne
Just commenting on the topic at hand. If you can't handle it, you shouldn't enter such threads. Obsessed would be me crawling into her threads and commenting for no reason. A question was asked, and I answered it. It is not my fault that the answer given struck a personal nerve with you.
I just find it laughable that so many people, both on here and in the media, coddle someone who, under any other circumstances, would not only lose their children, but probably be locked away in a psychiatric ward, as well. Watching her is mentally disturbing to me.
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Well, i'm sorry that Britney's mental stability bothers you so ****ing much. But I guess that in this matter you really will have to stay mad and deal with it.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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She's not a girl... Not yet a woman.
Did someone already make that joke?
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by Entity
Not a girl. Not yet a woman.
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Originally posted by TheOnlyOne
This is just protective coddling.
Saying she's improved from the god awful state she was in, does not mean she's a woman, or a healed adult.
This whole paragraph (and most arguments I've seen in her defense) is the equivalent of praising a 10 year old for almost coloring within the lines.
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What the **** do you expect, though? That she's going to return from her rock bottom and be the same person she was before? That she'd reemerge as an improved version of her former self? What? I don't get it. Certain life events have this tendency to change people, whether for better or for worse. In some instances it's possible to overcome setbacks, in other situations it's not as simple and a person must make a considerable efforts to reach only some relative state of normal. Some people never make a full recovery. We're not coddling her by noting that she's made progress and has recovered in some aspects, we're simply being realistic about the situation and supporting her as she continues to work on herself because we realize that issues of mental illness and emotional scarring do not simply disappear.
But I know you can't comprehend. I don't know why I'm wasting my time.
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One thing I took away from seeing her life is that she appears very much like a rabbit caught in the headlights.
I think as a person she is a woman, with her family and where she is comfortable but within her music I still find her to be a girl. I love her but I don't think her music has matured in the same way that her peers music has. Well some of her peers.
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Would I look too pressed if I banned TheOnlyOne from this thread? 
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Would I look too pressed if I banned TheOnlyOne from this thread? |
No you wouldn't, he's just trolling. DO IT. 
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Originally posted by Patrick
Would I look too pressed if I banned TheOnlyOne from this thread? |
Yes. It would make it look like the Britney stans can't come up with a valid rebuttal.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
No you wouldn't, he's just trolling. DO IT. |
No he isn't. Whether you agree with him or not he is coming up with perfectly valid arguments. Just because you don't agree with him does not mean he is trolling.
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Originally posted by Bea.
Yes. It would make it look like the Britney stans can't come up with a valid rebuttal.
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I know. 
I think there are a few posts in this thread that counter his points wonderfully, though. 
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Originally posted by Patrick
Would I look too pressed if I banned TheOnlyOne from this thread? |
Don't worry. That comment already did the job for you.
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Originally posted by Bea.
No he isn't. Whether you agree with him or not he is coming up with perfectly valid arguments. Just because you don't agree with him does not mean he is trolling.
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Exactly.
I'm not throwing her name into some random ass discussion. You can clearly see the question (currently about her) in the title of this thread.
If the Britney stans want a safe haven to praise her insanity over the years, they are free to do so in one of the many threads devoted to her - all of which I've never stepped foot in. This is for commenting, I commented. Whoever doesn't like it, you know how to leave.
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Originally posted by Duca
She is a woman who will always have to live up to an iconic pop-cultural image of herself from her early days.
She has always done things differently, which turned her into the leader and the avant-garde of pop. I don’t see disconnect between her and her music. She hasn't been actually going out to clubs lately, because she has one at her house. It has glitter balls, catering, lights, everything. She's become extremely guarded with her personal life and we know barely 50% of what's going on in her life right now (and the little that what we know is questionable,) so God know what goes on there. She loves music, and she makes the music that she loves and enjoys, and that is all that matters. Her fans love it and everyone else still seems to like it. "Femme Fatale" is coherent and entertaining, and most of the tracks suit her more than anything she's recorded since her "In The Zone" days ("Hold It Against Me," "Inside Out," "How I Roll," "Trouble For Me," "Trip To Your Heart," "Gasoline," "Criminal," "He About To Lose Me," "Don't Keep Me Waiting," "Scary.") According to Metacritic, it is her second most critically acclaimed album, but it is probably her most critically acclaimed work thus far, since almost every reviewer has named it her best album yet. Also, Madonna is 53 and her music is hardly age-appropriate. Katy Perry is 27 and listen to what she's singing about.
She is trying her best to keep her personal life private right now. We rarely even get candids anymore (and when we do, she doesn't have make-up in them and she's usually on her way to her son's little league game,) since she moved into an area which is like a little town freed of paparazzi and media. She is in love and she is doing what she loves the most, raising a family, being a mom. She has always loved kids and her favorite meet & greets are with her little fans.
The main problem with Britney right now is her tightly controlled public image, which is the reason why everyone still sees her as a girl. I personally think all of it has a lot to do with the fact that she didn't get to grow up, try things out, and make mistakes privately. She was the ultimate tabloid sensation, always watched, judged, and under a microscope since she was a teenager. In 2003/2004, she was given too much freedom and she didn't really figure out what to do with it, which ended up in her growing up too fast and ultimately led to her breakdown. Every pop star depends on their image and ever since her breakdown, I feel like her label is trying excessively hard to tell everybody that she is okay. The scripted documentary and interviews did more damage than good this era.
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Go off niece. 
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Originally posted by Bea.
No he isn't. Whether you agree with him or not he is coming up with perfectly valid arguments. Just because you don't agree with him does not mean he is trolling.
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Valid arguments? Where are they? All I see is "Britney is crazy", "Britney is mentally unstable", "Britney needs to be locked"... all thing we would read in some ****** tabloid back in 2007. Dated, boring and hateful. NEXT.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by £100
Wait, how can you care about lyrical sincerity when Beyoncé's discography is the definition of insincere?
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You're probably the first person I've ever heard say this, I need an explanation. Most of the songs she sings are directly related to her public life, or her private life.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Valid arguments? Where are they? All I see is "Britney is crazy", "Britney is mentally unstable", "Britney needs to be locked"... all thing we would read in some ****** tabloid back in 2007. Dated, boring and hateful. NEXT. |
The we aren't reading the same thing because he said none of those things, you are blinded by anger here.
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She's a big woman right now...and you will deal.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Females don't run the world. Let's be real, here. The world is and always has been dominated by men. Women were always oppressed and treated as second class citizens. Women didn't even have voting rights before 1920. In the Eastern World, women are expected to be, well... housewives. In some countries a woman could be executed for speaking her mind. So, no. Girls don't run the world.They run some of the Western World, kinda, sorta.
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Women sewing up their vaginas wouldn't decrease the population, it would increase rape.
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I can't at ya'll blasting BLaCKPoWeR. I'm sorry, but did he lie?
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