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Discussion: Katy & cheap chart tactics: what happened years ago?!
Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
The problem is that your evidence does nothing but fuel the fires. Let's face it, these artists that did this tactic were already very well established and cemented. By the time HIStory came around, MJ was a legend and pulling tactics was an attempt to stay relevant in the changing music world. It didn't quite work well for him.
Katy is desperate because the song was released, then she'd DISCOUNT and APPROVE A REMIX. Why not be like Mariah or MJ and truly build your cache of hits first, then start pulling tactics?
And why has nobody called out Mariah or MJ for this? Because they had the utmost respect from critics, fans and the industry. The fact that people are up in arms over this shows how much she's valued among the general public.
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Because the GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T GIVE A ****! There was no ATRL back then, or any other music board, to criticize that. Outside of this fictional world, nobody gives a **** about it!
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Member Since: 9/23/2009
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Originally posted by Ruben
Again, your opinion... still, CG went number one for 6 straight weeks, ended selling 5 million records, with an AI of 140 million. If you don't like it, that's your problem and opinion, but the general public beggs to differ...
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Well, for the summer smash that CG was in 2010 --- it was NO WHERE in 2011......even Party in the USA managed to revive itself. That proves that CG isn't a song that will stand the test of time.
Katy's songs are like candy....they give you a really fast high, but there is no substance and after a few hours...it'll feel like you didn't even eat anything in the first place.
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Member Since: 9/7/2010
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Originally posted by YoYo
Not to defend the OP or Katy but I think a lot of you have missed the point of this thread lol. Obviously the point of this was to explore how even legends resorted to cheap tactics to achieve certain commercial goals.
Honestly though, Mariah's history is INFINITELY worse than Katy's. Add to the list how "We Belong Together" was given for FREE on her FANSITE.
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Duh.My brain hurts at some delusion in this thread.
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Member Since: 11/29/2006
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Billboard already said that what Katy is doing is fair according to their rules, there's nothing else to discuss and it's not like her songs aren't hits on their own solo versions
Britney did it with Boys = It didn't even chart
Lady Gaga released a LoveGame remix with Marylin Manson = it didn't go to #1
Britney did it again with TTWE = it peaked at #3
Beyonce has done too, Ego remix with Kanye = did it even go top 40?
Everyone can use these tactics but not everyone can go #1 and that's why everyone's pressed :stickman:
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Member Since: 8/26/2011
Posts: 15,572
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Originally posted by ausread
Just because more than one person does it doesn't make it acceptable.
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No but billboard saying it is makes it ok.
Its their chart not yours. You people have no place to say whats right and wrong, they do.
And using excuses like oh, they were already legends or whatever other excuses is laughable
hope off Katy's dick.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
Posts: 2,121
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Originally posted by Sammi
Duh.My brain hurts at some delusion in this thread.
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Calling posters "delusional" rather than directly trying to strike down many VALID POINTS made here hardly helps your credibility.
Face it, the fact that MJ and Mariah did it does NOT make her any less desperate. Your OP did nothing but make Katy look far worse.
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Member Since: 12/14/2011
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Girl has to do what she has to do
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Ruben
Because the GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T GIVE A ****! There was no ATRL back then, or any other music board, to criticize that. Outside of this fictional world, nobody gives a **** about it!
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Now that there is a public forum about it, people still aren't calling out MJ and Mariah.
But search the internet. People are talking about Katy and her remixes.
She's not respected enough to get away with it like MJ and Mariah
(Yes, I erroneously reported you. Thought I was replying to your thread).
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Member Since: 11/14/2011
Posts: 9,158
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Originally posted by Я×R
Billboard already said that what Katy is doing is fair according to their rules, there's nothing else to discuss and it's not like her songs aren't hits on their own solo versions
Britney did it with Boys = It didn't even chart
Lady Gaga released a LoveGame remix with Marylin Manson = it didn't go to #1
Britney did it again with TTWE = it peaked at #3
Beyonce has done too, Ego remix with Kanye = did it even go top 40?
Everyone can use these tactics but not everyone can go #1 and that's why everyone's pressed :stickman:
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Member Since: 6/22/2011
Posts: 6,997
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Originally posted by Ripedie254
No but billboard saying it is makes it ok.
Its their chart not yours. You people have no place to say whats right and wrong, they do.
And using excuses like oh, they were already legends or whatever other excuses is laughable
hope off Katy's dick.
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I agree with the point about excusing some but not others, but ask yourself, truthfully, if it was anyone other than your fave, would you view it as desperate?
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Member Since: 9/7/2010
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Calling posters "delusional" rather than directly trying to strike down many VALID POINTS made here hardly helps your credibility.
Face it, the fact that MJ and Mariah did it does NOT make her any less desperate. Your OP did nothing but make Katy look far worse.
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It doesn't matter,there are no excuses.They have did it.It's simple as that.
And like YoYo have said,you just like many others have missed point of this thread.Katy still looks desperate,I've never denied that,I was the 1st one to call her out for this.
But ATRL memebrs were saying how's she HBIC of this,the biggest calculative act doing it and here are receipts many others were doing the same,not just Mariah and Jackson.
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
Posts: 1,212
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Originally posted by Delita_chan
Now that there is a public forum about it, people still aren't calling out MJ and Mariah.
But search the internet. People are talking about Katy and her remixes.
She's not respected enough to get away with it like MJ and Mariah
(Yes, I erroneously reported you. Thought I was replying to your thread).
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Don't worry, I've made that mistake too
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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She gotta do what she gotta do
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Member Since: 8/26/2011
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Originally posted by ausread
I agree with the point about excusing some but not others, but ask yourself, truthfully, if it was anyone other than your fave, would you view it as desperate?
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No, others have done it and I didnt care, honestly
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Originally posted by Sammi
It doesn't matter,there are no excuses.They have did it.It's simple as that.
And like YoYo have said,you just like many others have missed point of this thread.Katy still looks desperate,I've never denied that,I was the 1st one to call her out for this.
But ATRL memebrs were saying how's HBIC of this,the biggest calculative act doing it and here are receipts many others were doing the same,not just Mariah and Jackson.
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"They have done it."
No there aren't excuses, they did it and either failed or succeeded.
But looking at your posts, you wanted posters to leave Katy alone for doing the tactic. Why should we? She's just as desperate as they were back then. And she hasn't the respect from the public to merit looking the other way (ala MJ).
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Member Since: 4/30/2011
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Originally posted by Я×R
Everyone can use these tactics but not everyone can go #1 and that's why everyone's pressed :stickman:
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Yassssss.
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Member Since: 11/24/2009
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I don't think people initially had a problem with Katy doing a remix or a discount. It's the fact the she keeps doing it that annoys people now.
No one batted an eye when Kanye got added to ET.
People were fine when LFN got discounted. Then the LFN remix arrived and that's when people started to raise an eyebrow. And then the remix got discounted on top of the song being discounted.
And now we have TOTGA discounted to 69 cents for 3 weeks, with a 99 cent remix out.
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Member Since: 6/9/2011
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Originally posted by Nicole
I don't think people initially had a problem with Katy doing a remix or a discount. It's the fact the she keeps doing it that now gets them annoyed.
No one batted an eye when Kanye got added to ET.
People were fine when LFN got discounted. Then the LFN remix arrived and that's when people started to raise an eyebrow. And then the remix got discounted on top of the song being discounted.
And now we have TOTGA discounted to 69 cents for 3 weeks, with a 99 cent remix out.
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Exactly. It's just too much, and it's so consistent with her. It seems like literally every single she puts out, it's followed by a remix and a discount.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
Posts: 18,057
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Originally posted by ifyouseekLEM
BUT THAT'S BRITNEY, BITCH
S&M may have been all business to start -- but at least Britney and Rihanna performed it. We're not gonna see Missy, B.o.B, or Kanye doing/promoting their songs with Katy.
And S&M was a huge thing. It gained HUGE media coverage and was actually played on radio...not some irrelevant ass B-List (aside from Kanye) artist hopping on a track for quickie urban spins.
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Not to mention Britney & Rihanna still talk to each other as friends. You can't say the same with Katy. She just uses them and then spit them out. Everyone saw how much of a bitch she was too Kanye at the VMAs. Everyone Rihanna & Britney collaborates with either have some type of personal relationship with them or extremely huge fans of each other.. Britney already said she was a fan of Rihanna before and Rihanna used to stan for Blackout. So their collaboration made sense.
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Member Since: 1/13/2010
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Who didn't know Mariah did this?
She was the Rihanna of her day. A new album every year, many number 1 singles, being discredited by critics. Not surprised.
Get it Katy.
By the way, just because Katy may break MJ's record doesn't mean she is better.
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