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Discussion: MC: 68 | Joanne Review Thread | 22 Reviews
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Dylangaga
Yall have way too much time on your hands to be perched in a MC thread
Gaga stays winning though!
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Not so far, but we'll have to wait and see.
Anyways, I think she will get a nice review from EW. They are hardly ever harsh
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Originally posted by Fruity
I disagree completely. The reviewer gives a huge amount of detail about what they didn't like about the actual music. He mentions 8 of the 11 songs directly, as well as a huge number of the related producers and songwriters. The majority of the review is about the vibe of the album and how he doesn't think it works. They get way worse than that.
Britney's Blackout is an album that was TRULY a victim of this, because reviewers had SO much to say about Britney the character that they ignored Blackout the album. Also Rih's Unapologetic suffered hugely from her relationship with Chris Brown and his feature on the album. But Joanne does not compare lol. Gaga has been fairly vanilla recently.
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Again, all the more reason why that review stinks.
I'm not saying because it's Gaga it needs to be pristine. I'm saying that because it actually isn't talking about the music, which somehow you've read into it that it HAS, it's unfair. It's the name of the game though. It's been done for years. Me whining about it now isn't going to change that.
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Omg NY Times
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by HandsOn
I don't know about that.
Art isn't created in a vacuum.
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well of course not. it makes sense to talk about who/what influenced an album, but an artist's work shouldn't be judged against their past work and it's not relevant to bring up how similar/dissimilar the music is to an artist's contemporaries when evaluating an album. this is what causes artist's to be graded on a curve, which is clearly what is happening here.
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Originally posted by CallumDavies
a pop girl Metacritic barometer.
92 - Lemonade
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85 - BEYONCÉ
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80 - Music, Confessions On A Dance Floor
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78 - The Fame Monster
77 - Speak Now, Red
76 - 1989, 21
75 - Rated R, 25
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73 - 4, Anti, Fearless
72 - Good Girl Gone Bad, The Re-Up, Oops!… I Did It Again
71 - Born This Way, The Fame, Glory
70 - B’Day, The Pink Print
68 - Pink Friday, 19, Rebel Heart
67 - Femme Fatale, Loud
66 - Circus
65 - Hard Candy
64 - Dangerously In Love, Talk That Talk, MDNA
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62 - I Am… Sasha Fierce
61 - ARTPOP, Blackout, Prism, Unapologetic
60 - Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded, American Life
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52 - Teenage Dream
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50 - Britney Jean
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From Lemonade to One of the Boys... Where will you land, Joanne?
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Originally posted by Fruity
Also, with a review like the NYT, a score was not even given, so the review is about the tone of the article. So the author comparing Joanne disfavourably to Gaga's previous work is basically just showing that he's disappointed with it. Which is completely fair.
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Metacritic asks reviewers to give a score when they index a review.
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Honestly, they have to review the album, no one asked them f they liked Gaga. Give it a ZERO, but tell me what is wrong with the album, or give it a FIVE and tell me what is so amazing about it.
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Member Since: 4/13/2011
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
That really has nothing to do with what I was talking about tho, contextualising is fine as I said.
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It has everything to do with your post. Reviewers like to review the artist (their image, their motives, their authenticity, their morals) as well as the art, because both have an influence on modern day culture. That's what art is about. Like, the artist is intrinsically linked to their art. And with an artist so image prominent as Gaga, she is basically part of her art.
Anyway I cba to drag on about this, let's just see what happens
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Originally posted by lightstheyblindme
Yes, we know it happens - the point is, an album review is not the appropriate place to discuss the artist's motivation for releasing the kind of music they released, or comparing it to their previous work. That should be addressed in separate articles, it's irrelevant to the review of the music itself. In these album reviews the body of work should be judged by its own merits, in a vacuum.
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This. What Gaga released 3 years ago has nothing to to with the album. Review the songs and the body of work.
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The NyTimes review is on point.
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Originally posted by BaddiéBéy
From Lemonade to One of the Boys... Where will you land, Joanne?
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Poor OOTB
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Look, they can think it's trash (Protip: it's not, it's her best work but whatever) that's fine.
But if the army and other stan bases would spend one minute away from gleefully head kicking monsters who *gasp* had the nerve to want to enjoy this era they would too be grossed out by last paragraph of the NYT review.
Whatever. She'll probably go away again for 3 years. Fantastic.
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Originally posted by Fruity
I disagree completely. The reviewer gives a huge amount of detail about what they didn't like about the actual music. He mentions 8 of the 11 songs directly, as well as a huge number of the related producers and songwriters. The majority of the review is about the vibe of the album and how he doesn't think it works. They get way worse than that.
Britney's Blackout is an album that was TRULY a victim of this, because reviewers had SO much to say about Britney the character that they ignored Blackout the album. Also Rih's Unapologetic suffered hugely from her relationship with Chris Brown and his feature on the album. But Joanne does not compare lol. Gaga has been fairly vanilla recently.
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Eh, not like either of those two were high contenders for rave responses anyways.
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Originally posted by Fruity
It has everything to do with your post. Reviewers like to review the artist (their image, their motives, their authenticity, their morals) as well as the art, because both have an influence on modern day culture. That's what art is about. Like, the artist is intrinsically linked to their art. And with an artist so image prominent as Gaga, she is basically part of her art.
Anyway I cba to drag on about this, let's just see what happens
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Then it's not really a review of the album but of the artist...like I said.
You just seem to disagree with me about the review in question, you think they focused enough on the album for it to still be a fair review of the album or whatever. OK, that's your opinion I guess
Anyway, yeah best not drag on about it.
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Originally posted by Dark Matter
Metacritic asks reviewers to give a score when they index a review.
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No metacritic assign it themselves if it's not already given.
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you better smoke them critics like a pack of marlboro joanne!
doing good so far
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Originally posted by umich
Poor OOTB
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Waking Up In Slaygas alone made it deserving of 80
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Originally posted by Luma
Eh, not like either of those two were high contenders for rave responses anyways.
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Blackout is widely agreed to be Britney's best album and it ranked #5 on The Times best pop albums of the decade.
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Originally posted by Swag
The NyTimes review is on point.
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Originally posted by Alchemist
I wonder how many reviews this'll get in the end. inb4 12
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Well if the 8 left are positive, that would work on her favor...
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