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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Adonis
Martin OMalley is more conservative than Hillary and the only reason he is running is because he can't get re-elected in his state.
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Conservative Democrats, if they get past the primaries, can be great general election candidates. Same with centrist Republicans.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Chucko
Wrong again. Kasich has by far, and more practical hands on experience as a governor and in the private sector.
Years in Congress:
Hillary: 8
Kasich: 18
State Senate:
Hillary : 0
Kasich: 4 - At age 26 youngest ever to elected to the Ohio Senate.
Secretary of State:
Hillary: 4
Kasich: 0
First Lady:
Hillary: 8
Kasich: 0
Governor of a state:
Hillary: 0
Kasich: 5 - Two times elected.
Private Sector:
Hillary: Businesses Dont Create Jobs Just Speaking Fees (Clintons know about speaking fees)
Kasich: 8
So you are essentially completely wrong and I am giving you First Lady as experience for whatever that is worth, I mean seriously. I am also giving the SoS 4 years which she most certainly will not be bragging about during the election. |
Im talking Big League here. Big League.
No one knows/cares about Kasich, he essentially doesn't exist. Top 2 candidates on either side.
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Hillary's SoS stint had a bunch of disasters like the Libyan invasion but experience is experience regardless. She knows foreign policy better than anyone else on that stage.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Originally posted by Damien M
Im talking Big League here. Big League.
No one knows/cares about Kasich, he essentially doesn't exist. Top 2 candidates on either side.
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Hillary's SoS stint had a bunch of disasters like the Libyan invasion but experience is experience regardless. She knows foreign policy better than anyone else on that stage.
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Except all her foreign policy moves have been terrible. Just because she knows the names of people in various countries and sat down with them to take a picture does not mean she can deal with them or that they have any respect for her.
If she has a stellar FP to show off we would be hearing about it but she is never going to talk about her days at foggy bottom.
The point is, Kasich blows her away in practical experience, it's not my fault he is unknown at this early stage of the game. I also have said many times, I think he is a VP lock if an establishment candidate gets the nomination, all bets are off if Trump, Carson or Carly get it.
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Member Since: 10/2/2011
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IOWA: Carson Gains On Trump In New Poll
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The Hill
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Espresso
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I'd pick Trump over that trash Carson any day. Carson is by far the worst 2016 presidential candidate and it's not even close 
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
Posts: 9,806
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
I'd pick Trump over that trash Carson any day. Carson is by far the worst 2016 presidential candidate and it's not even close |
That's what I was thinking. He is a doctor not a business man. He has no experience in the real economy or with foreign policy. That concerns me. I'd vote for Sarah Palin over Ben Carson and that's saying something.
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Member Since: 10/2/2011
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Top Jeb fundraisers leave campaign amid troubling signs
The move comes amid weak poll numbers and concerns that Bush's torrid fundraising pace has slowed.
Politico 08/29/15
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Hmm. Certainly interesting given Jeb was always the presumed nominee. 
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Why would anyone even like Carson? He talks like such a push-over.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
Posts: 8,593
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My top 5 worst candidates:
5. Scott Walker
4. Donald Trump
3. Ted Cruz
2. Rick Santorum
1. Ben Carson
My top 5 best candidates:
5. Martin O'Malley
4. Hillary Clinton
3. Joe Biden (just assuming he's gonna run  )
2. Jill Stein
1. Bernie Sanders
*I do lean more Jill than Bernie on the issues but I think he's more qualified to be POTUS.
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Member Since: 4/27/2012
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The golden era of the Hillary Clinton-Joe Biden relationship lasted four years — as long as they had Barack Obama to gossip, kibbitz and complain about.
During his first term, the two developed a kinship — cultivated during weekly breakfast meetings in Biden’s cozy parlor — that hadn’t existed before (and hasn't since). For both, the experience kindled an abiding sense of affection, and not a little ambivalence.
Clinton got an up-close earful of the maddening duality of Biden — the motor-mouth powered by a high-octane brain. Biden was charmed by Clinton’s candor out of the spotlight, but he felt she viewed running for president as a “burden,” according to people briefed on their interactions.
Those perceptions, especially on the Biden side, will weigh on the 72-year-old vice president’s decision whether to run in 2016 or retire.
“He really likes her personally, but there’s been always an undercurrent of resentment,” a former top adviser to Obama, who worked closely with both, told POLITICO. “I think there’s always been an element of — and Biden is by no means the only one who has felt this — ‘why does she feel entitled to [run] and I can’t?’ I imagine that’s playing a big part in his deliberations right now.”
There isn’t really a word in the political lexicon that captures the multilayered, 25-year relationship. Clinton and Biden aren’t enemies, but they’re not quite close friends. They aren’t back-stabbing frenemies, or even proper rivals — yet. “Frivals” seems closest to the mark.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...#ixzz3kRE6zzVR
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...ip-2016-213174
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Politico is sooooo easy to get sucked into. I always end up scrolling through during my Spanish lectures.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Politco has gotten super biased lately, and I just can't take it seriously
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
Posts: 15,589
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The media is turning on Hillary again.
I saw an article on the Washington Post the other day where they were dragging her +.
praising Trump's immigration policy (in the same breath, can you believe it?!)
Nearly all the articles on her these days are negative. It's crazy.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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There are very few positive articles on any candidate. Take all the "positive" articles about Bernie's surging poll numbers, for example. They aren't positive for him; they're almost all written as being primarily negative for Hillary. Does that make sense as I explained it? But aside from that, Hillary usually takes a harder beating as well because of her historically strained relationship with the press.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Politco has gotten super biased lately, and I just can't take it seriously
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Care to share any examples?
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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^Oh I know.
What I'm saying is its crazy how quickly everyone turned on her--like two months ago it was like a foregone conclusion that the election was wrapped up for Hillary. She had no competition and the field was super clear.
Fast forward to now, her numbers are plunging, the press is eating her alive (with a silly non issue like those emails no less), her donors are panicking and Biden is probably gonna run instead.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Damien M
^Oh I know.
What I'm saying is its crazy how quickly everyone turned on her--like two months ago it was like a foregone conclusion that the election was wrapped up for Hillary. She had no competition and the field was super clear.
Fast forward to now, her numbers are plunging, the press is eating her alive (with a silly non issue like those emails no less), her donors are panicking and Biden is probably gonna run instead.
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The same thing happened in 2008, and the same thing is happening now to Jeb on the Republican side. Elections unfortunately get horse race coverage here, so "front runners" are most definitely always in danger.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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If it's not Jeb who do you see getting the GOP nod?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
If it's not Jeb who do you see getting the GOP nod?
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Oh, I still think he could get it. I was more just making a comparison between the treatments each frontrunner have received from the media thus far. I think Rubio has been their best choice since he announced, and I see the nominee being him, Jeb, Trump (because he's already defying logic, why would he stop?), or possibly Carson.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by LuLuDrops
If it's not Jeb who do you see getting the GOP nod?
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Republicans love Scott Walker.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Citrus
Oh, I still think he could get it. I was more just making a comparison between the treatments each frontrunner have received from the media thus far. I think Rubio has been their best choice since he announced, and I see the nominee being him, Jeb, Trump (because he's already defying logic, why would he stop?), or possibly Carson.
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I prefer Trump to Carson who is heading toward the bottom of my list 
Poor Rand, the nu-republican thing didn't catch on. Oh well.
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