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havent watched a second of this but morgan MUST win
jason being a bb winner* 
* = not a real season but still
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Anyone who cites something other than gameplay as their reason for voting is a bitter jury member and can never criticize them again  hopefully y'all are Nicole stans as well cause otherwise the logic does not add up  |
Yes because having a built-in fanbase on a season where America has all the power and your side winning a ton of advantages is gameplay.
Okay.
And yes, I know that Morgan won the care package that saved her and Shelby, but considering how ever many times, America was on the LNJ's side...mainly because of Jason, it's pretty clear it's not gameplay. Also, it was crappy gameplay for him and Danielle to make a deal with BS, knowing that they'll break it. But whatever, say that Jason had better gameplay.
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Yes because having a built-in fanbase on a season where America has all the power and your side winning a ton of advantages is gameplay.
Okay.
And yes, I know that Morgan won the care package that saved her and Shelby, but considering how ever many times, America was on the LNJ's side...mainly because of Jason, it's pretty clear it's not gameplay. Also, it was crappy gameplay for him and Danielle to make a deal with BS, knowing that they'll break it. But whatever, say that Jason had better gameplay.
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So you agree... that Jason had the better gameplay?
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So you agree... that Jason had the better gameplay?
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You didn't even read anything I said. It's a freaking joke with some of you LNJ stans. You're willing to give the basement creature 250K for sitting there and talking s*** about almost every HG and take a ton of America's advantages. He's not deserving in the slightest.
I just can't understand how people are willing to vote for him. It absolutely baffles me.
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I checked out of OTT like 2 weeks in.
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Since Queen Shelby can't win, Queen Morgan better pull out the win.
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Originally posted by rl231
You didn't even read anything I said. It's a freaking joke with some of you LNJ stans. You're willing to give the basement creature 250K for sitting there and talking s*** about almost every HG and take a ton of America's advantages. He's not deserving in the slightest.
I just can't understand how people are willing to vote for him. It absolutely baffles me.
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Oh gosh, God forbid I joke around and not take BB: OTT 100% seriously 
I didn't engage with you because:
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2) You were being disingenuous listing the small amount of the game Morgan played (you actually didn't mention anything but a circumstance) as if it was worthy of acknowledgement, let alone winning the "season." I also knew you were being disingenuous because there was never a steamroll in terms of one side winning care packages or getting a favorable America's nom. Acting as if Jason got his way every week in terms of voting is just false. You are mistaking his veto wins ( ) for outside favors. Morgan, who wasn't targeted because she barely did anything (Kryssie teas but with less comp wins), deserves to win because her alliance had to play the game...? Hmmm.
Thankfully, you proved my "bitter jury" position correct by listing Jason's personality traits (and not his game actions) as why you simply couldn't vote for him, how the thought of a vote for him hurt your poor sensibilities  Not only that but you resorted to the type of insults that are just too outrageous for your sensitive soul  You reacted defensively to a GENERAL statement and now all the other emotion is pouring out. Honestly, truly... falling hook, line, and sinker for a joke when I don't even like Jason.
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Originally posted by Chemical X.
Oh gosh, God forbid I joke around and not take BB: OTT 100% seriously
I didn't engage with you because:
1) I never asked for anyone's reasoning, just simply stated how I felt
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2) You were being disingenuous listing the small amount of the game Morgan played (you actually didn't mention anything but a circumstance) as if it was worthy of acknowledgement, let alone winning the "season." I also knew you were being disingenuous because there was never a steamroll in terms of one side winning care packages or getting a favorable America's nom. Acting as if Jason got his way every week in terms of voting is just false. You are mistaking his veto wins ( ) for outside favors. Morgan, who wasn't targeted because she barely did anything (Kryssie teas but with less comp wins), deserves to win because her alliance had to play the game...? Hmmm.
Thankfully, you proved my "bitter jury" position correct by listing Jason's personality traits (and not his game actions) as why you simply couldn't vote for him, how the thought of a vote for him hurt your poor sensibilities Not only that but you resorted to the type of insults that are just too outrageous for your sensitive soul You reacted defensively to a GENERAL statement and now all the other emotion is pouring out. Honestly, truly... falling hook, line, and sinker for a joke when I don't even like Jason.
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Look, I knew it was a joke, but it wasn't a really good one at all, so I just kept rolling .
Also, how am I being disingenuous? I just used points that people who like Jason's side or support them would use against Morgan. I never listed out why Morgan should win...at all, so spare me if you think I'm being disingenuous. I also never said there was a steamroll either with the care packages; however, Jason did have a lot of help with the fact that people were scared to target him because of his built-in fanbase (past HGs are saying this, so I'm just repeating it). Also, strategically, he wasn't some amazing person in the slightest. Props to him for his clutch comp wins because that's great for him, but since this is BBOTT, it's a totally different behemoth. It's slightly difficult to analyze strategy in this season when America would stomp all over that strategy anyways.
Anyways, with Morgan, she had a much better social game than Jason did since she would always socialize with both sides of the house. Strategically, they had different things for sure. Jason always had his legion of followers in the house and most of the time, America on his side. Morgan had the Ballsmashers, but that was it. She came into the house with a sister, which isn't necessarily an advantage at all when you have to hide the fact that Alex is your sister. Next, Morgan always downplayed herself to the other side. This is the biggest thing that helped her make it so far and is why, if she never got the care package, she would've stayed over Shelby and already stayed over Alex. She made herself seem like she was some ditzy cheerleader when in actuality, she was pretty smart. Sure, she wasn't coming up with complex strategies, but she did play pretty well.
Finally, I would like to point out that I'm not bitter at all with most of my vote, but I genuinely believe that Morgan played the better game since she had to play a harder game from the get go. What I am bitter about is that Jason said some TERRIBLE things and doesn't get backlash for it because he's an alum that's gay and popular. The terrible things that he's said about people in there have been utterly misogynistic and twisted that I'm still confused as to how he has supporters. That's what frustrates me about this fan base. They get reasonably upset at Paulie for making crappy comments, but then don't turn it around when Jason is worse. I say this and I absolutely despised Paulie (still do too). That's the whole crux of the problem. People are just letting Jason's comments and actions slide because it's Jason. If he were a straight fan favorite, then it might be different. Idk, I'm just very frustrated with a whole lot of people this season, and I'm very disappointed in Jason too because I thought he was better than that, but he's clearly not a great person.
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Honestly I see Alex getting punched out because she's too obvious a winner, and Scott/Shelby seem like the first to go when things start getting serious.
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Well well well come through, girl
Again, I'm here for Kryssie winning and angering absolutely everyone
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#TeamKryssie
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Just voted for the player who deserves it the most: Morgan; a player who doesn't degrade women and play personal
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Look, I knew it was a joke, but it wasn't a really good one at all, so I just kept rolling .
Also, how am I being disingenuous? I just used points that people who like Jason's side or support them would use against Morgan. I never listed out why Morgan should win...at all, so spare me if you think I'm being disingenuous. I also never said there was a steamroll either with the care packages; however, Jason did have a lot of help with the fact that people were scared to target him because of his built-in fanbase (past HGs are saying this, so I'm just repeating it). Also, strategically, he wasn't some amazing person in the slightest. Props to him for his clutch comp wins because that's great for him, but since this is BBOTT, it's a totally different behemoth. It's slightly difficult to analyze strategy in this season when America would stomp all over that strategy anyways.
Anyways, with Morgan, she had a much better social game than Jason did since she would always socialize with both sides of the house. Strategically, they had different things for sure. Jason always had his legion of followers in the house and most of the time, America on his side. Morgan had the Ballsmashers, but that was it. She came into the house with a sister, which isn't necessarily an advantage at all when you have to hide the fact that Alex is your sister. Next, Morgan always downplayed herself to the other side. This is the biggest thing that helped her make it so far and is why, if she never got the care package, she would've stayed over Shelby and already stayed over Alex. She made herself seem like she was some ditzy cheerleader when in actuality, she was pretty smart. Sure, she wasn't coming up with complex strategies, but she did play pretty well.
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And that's fine with me. I quite literally said that if someone is voting for a player based on things beside gameplay, I'd consider them a bitter jury member. You reacted to a post meant for others I guess. Again, reading a statement that supposedly doesn't apply to you but still taking it personally 
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What I am bitter about is that Jason said some TERRIBLE things and doesn't get backlash for it because he's an alum that's gay and popular. The terrible things that he's said about people in there have been utterly misogynistic and twisted that I'm still confused as to how he has supporters. That's what frustrates me about this fan base. They get reasonably upset at Paulie for making crappy comments, but then don't turn it around when Jason is worse. I say this and I absolutely despised Paulie (still do too). That's the whole crux of the problem. People are just letting Jason's comments and actions slide because it's Jason. If he were a straight fan favorite, then it might be different.
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I don't get this at all. Jason is getting a ton of backlash? Half of the BBOTT viewers are voting against him, he's been dragged by BB alums, and his friends in the BB fandom have even called out his behavior. What else are you expecting?
During his downward spiral Paulie basically became the BB18 villain and his comments led to his alliance flipping on him. Jason kept most of his dirt to himself so there were no immediate consequences in the house.
Paulie was insufferable the minute he walked into the house and was already disliked. Meanwhile Jason has years worth of good will within the fandom and has even been funny/kind/etc. in the house.
Paulie's comments solidified him as a irredeemable jackass while Jason's comments showed a new side of him and caught many off-guard. Hence why many are not writing him off completely.
You are comparing two completely different scenarios and getting upset because the outcomes aren't the same  imo your reactions are NOT adding up to someone who just dislikes a player. I hated Paulie during BB18 but the idea of him coming back in the jury buyback didn't upset me this much. I hated Paulie but him having stans didn't make me genuinely mad. Like most things in BB it eventually becomes humorous and shady rather than something truly disappointing 
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Idk, I'm just very frustrated with a whole lot of people this season, and I'm very disappointed in Jason too because I thought he was better than that, but he's clearly not a great person.
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Before you cast your votes for the Winner Reading this Analysis courtesy of Big Brother Network of the F3 Game
"For some, this might not be the most ideal or deserving final 3, but like any season of Big Brother, if you make it to the end, you’ve done something right along the way. So it’s time once again to take a look at the finalists and see who should actually win this thing. We’ll be looking at competition wins, strategy and moves — all the usual Big Brother stuff it takes to capture that prize money at the end. And please keep in mind, we’ll only be looking at game play and fan influence. We will not be considering who talked the most **** or who wiped boogers on whose belongings.
Since Jason was the first person in the final 3, we’ll go ahead and start with him.
Jason Roy
As you all know, Jason was voted into the BBOTT house by America. He’s the superfan-turned-vet who first played in Season 17. He came into the game with a huge target on his back and was officially the house’s first target. But after a veto win and some maneuvering, Jason got the target off his back for awhile. During those idle weeks, Jason developed his core alliance all while keeping himself tied to the other side by way of Scott and Alex.
Everyone knew it was a huge risk to keep Jason around, but they did it anyway. And every time Jason was sure to go home, he stepped up and saved himself or America reached out a helping hand. And that brings me to my next point. Did America help Jason get to the end? Sort of. But Jason got no more help than anyone else in the game. The America’s Vote outcomes were pretty divided among both sides of the house. Alex, Shelby and Morgan got as much help as Jason, Kryssie and Justin did. So there’s little to fault Jason with there.
I think Jason has played a pretty solid game. He may have crossed the line a few times when it comes to good sportsmanship, but this is the world we live in now. Look around on social media and you’ll, see that our world isn’t the kindest at the moment. I’m not going to fault Jason for wiping a booger on someone’s belongings. Should he have done that? No way. Should that mean he loses BBOTT? Absolutely not.
Kryssie Ridolfi
It’s hard to think about anything other than the veto competition that Kryssie gave up on. That’s all most people can think of when they ask themselves if Kryssie deserves to be in the final 3, much less win. I get that. It wasn’t what most of us look for in a BB player. And then there’s the whole insisting on getting Jason to the end thing.
Loyalty is awesome, but surely she knows she can’t beat Jason, right? Part of me thinks she knows he’d end up in the end anyway and she just didn’t want to come off as a disloyal person. Of course that’s neither here nor there, though, because she had no say and Jason ended up taking her to the end.
The best talking points for Kryssie would be the early target she shook off and aligning with the right people at the right times. Kryssie was definitely an early target as Scott wanted her out badly. But she managed to shrink that target and look where she is now. Another strong point in her game is how she worked people when she needed to. She actually had Morgan and Shelby pretty convinced she was going to work with them over her season-long allies. I’m not sure that really helped Kryssie much, but it was at least some pretty solid game play.
Morgan Willett
I definitely never thought I’d be writing about Morgan at this point in the game, but here we are. And if we’re being completely honest here, Morgan is the last one from her alliance, not because she has been that good at the game, but because she was the weakest of her alliance. Alex, Shelby, and even Whitney, outplayed her all season and she just happened to be the one left over.
That being said, Morgan won a couple of times when she had to. Her latest win was what got her in the final 3, but she was up against an asthmatic Justin who never paid attention to anything that happened in the game all season, so there was no way he was winning that competition — not to slight her win or anything, because she earned her spot in the finale. And that is more than you can say about Kryssie who was hand-picked by Jason for her spot.
It gets a little murky here when I try to compare Morgan and Kryssie. Both were kind of the same player in their respective alliances. Both won an HOH and both won a Care Package ONLY to help out a better-liked alliance member. Morgan saved herself from the block while Kryssie had slightly better strategy. So Morgan and Kryssie sort of tie in this analysis.
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Overall Analysis
First of all, let me explain the scorecards since that seems to be what readers always get hung up on (and by hung up on I mean angry). This season I ditched the “control” portion since America had more control than anyone. I replaced it with Fan Help, which is America’s help.
This season’s social games sucked. But these guys didn’t really have to worry about it as much as there is no jury and no jury vote at the end. Almost no one branched out from their alliances this season. And while that made for a fantastically divided house, it wasn’t exactly smart. Jason edges out the other two here as he was the only one from an alliance smart enough to work alliances on the other side earlier in the game. Justin had Whitney, but that was barely an alliance. And we know Kryssie never spoke to the other side until the end of the game, and the same can be said for Morgan.
As, for strategy, Jason clearly wins on that one. He never stopped playing this season. He always had a plan for what was happening in the moment and for later down the road. He knew which of his alliance members were detrimental to his game and which would help him at the end. Kryssie didn’t have much going on strategically and sort of followed Jason and Danielle’s leads. The same can be said for Morgan, as she followed Alex and Shelby’s leads.
Now we look at Fan Help. This is where you’d want to have a lower score on your BB resume. But since this was a huge part of the BBOTT format, we can’t really fault the HGs too much here. Sure, someone getting to the end with no help from America would be a huge point to make. But that doesn’t really apply here. From the start, Jason had an unfair advantage with his built-in fanbase, but it didn’t take long for Alex and Shelby to pass him up in popularity.
In the end, America’s involvement was pretty even (though leaned a little more toward Shelby), but Jason did benefit slightly more than the other two in the final 3. Kryssie’s Care Package kept him safe, as did his Co-HOH. Morgan got the veto handed to her by America, which was basically to save Shelby, but she benefited from it as well. Kryssie seemingly benefited the least from fan help.
So now that I’ve established that the Fan Help portion doesn’t really mean much, let’s tie this up.
It’s clear based on the scorecards and the above breakdowns that Jason is the clear winner here.
He played the best game, he won the most competitions and he made the smartest moves thorough the game. And he did all of that with a HUGE target on his back. America might have stepped in and gave him a hand a couple of times, but you did the same for Morgan’s side of the house. And there was a point in the game where Jason was no longer the fan-favorite (Alex and Shelby took the reigns) and America wasn’t going to save him. And that’s when the others missed their opportunity.
So in the end, I’d give the win to Jason. And even though there should be no actual reason why Jason wouldn’t win, I guess Morgan would be my next choice. But just barely."
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Voting for Morgan! She deserves it. She overcame so many obstacles. While Jason basically had everything handed to him on a silver platter.
Jason and Kryssie played personal games; Morgan was also a good sport and showed true sportsmanship even when everything knocked her down.
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Voting for Kryssie, the true deserving winner of this season. Don't @ me.
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Can everyne vote Kryssie just to piss everyone else off 
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I don't get this at all. Jason is getting a ton of backlash? Half of the BBOTT viewers are voting against him, he's been dragged by BB alums, and his friends in the BB fandom have even called out his behavior. What else are you expecting?
During his downward spiral Paulie basically became the BB18 villain and his comments led to his alliance flipping on him. Jason kept most of his dirt to himself so there were no immediate consequences in the house.
Paulie was insufferable the minute he walked into the house and was already disliked. Meanwhile Jason has years worth of good will within the fandom and has even been funny/kind/etc. in the house.
Paulie's comments solidified him as a irredeemable jackass while Jason's comments showed a new side of him and caught many off-guard. Hence why many are not writing him off completely.
You are comparing two completely different scenarios and getting upset because the outcomes aren't the same imo your reactions are NOT adding up to someone who just dislikes a player. I hated Paulie during BB18 but the idea of him coming back in the jury buyback didn't upset me this much. I hated Paulie but him having stans didn't make me genuinely mad. Like most things in BB it eventually becomes humorous and shady rather than something truly disappointing |
When I compare Jason to Paulie, I'm saying that they both made misogynistic comments, which they did. You can't deny that. The difference is that it's not universal backlash like Paulie had. Jason made, subjectively, worse comments than Paulie did. However, there are people continually justify Jason's behavior or stay silent on it (most of the BB alum community). To the people that call him out on his behavior, that's awesome, and I hope that it continues to happen. Once he comes out of the house, I hope he sees the error in his ways, with or without the 250k.
Also, Paulie was relatively well-liked right up until he became HoH for the second time in week 4. With Jason, the 42 days he was in the BB17 house showed different facets to him, but he was complaining for the most part and still talking crap. However, it was pretty funny, so everyone let it slide.
The reason why I'm upset is because of his fanbase's hypocrisy. It's not the fact that he has stans, but it's moreso the fact that they're either blind to see how Jason is or are complete and utter hypocridiots. A lot of them are the same people that cried, "MISOGNY!!!!!!!!!!" when Paulie was an utter asshat. That's what frustrates me. It's not that deep though and doesn't affect me, but it certainly irks me that people act like that and get away with it too.
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Look, I knew it was a joke, but it wasn't a really good one at all, so I just kept rolling .
Also, how am I being disingenuous? I just used points that people who like Jason's side or support them would use against Morgan. I never listed out why Morgan should win...at all, so spare me if you think I'm being disingenuous. I also never said there was a steamroll either with the care packages; however, Jason did have a lot of help with the fact that people were scared to target him because of his built-in fanbase (past HGs are saying this, so I'm just repeating it). Also, strategically, he wasn't some amazing person in the slightest. Props to him for his clutch comp wins because that's great for him, but since this is BBOTT, it's a totally different behemoth. It's slightly difficult to analyze strategy in this season when America would stomp all over that strategy anyways.
Anyways, with Morgan, she had a much better social game than Jason did since she would always socialize with both sides of the house. Strategically, they had different things for sure. Jason always had his legion of followers in the house and most of the time, America on his side. Morgan had the Ballsmashers, but that was it. She came into the house with a sister, which isn't necessarily an advantage at all when you have to hide the fact that Alex is your sister. Next, Morgan always downplayed herself to the other side. This is the biggest thing that helped her make it so far and is why, if she never got the care package, she would've stayed over Shelby and already stayed over Alex. She made herself seem like she was some ditzy cheerleader when in actuality, she was pretty smart. Sure, she wasn't coming up with complex strategies, but she did play pretty well.
Finally, I would like to point out that I'm not bitter at all with most of my vote, but I genuinely believe that Morgan played the better game since she had to play a harder game from the get go. What I am bitter about is that Jason said some TERRIBLE things and doesn't get backlash for it because he's an alum that's gay and popular. The terrible things that he's said about people in there have been utterly misogynistic and twisted that I'm still confused as to how he has supporters. That's what frustrates me about this fan base. They get reasonably upset at Paulie for making crappy comments, but then don't turn it around when Jason is worse. I say this and I absolutely despised Paulie (still do too). That's the whole crux of the problem. People are just letting Jason's comments and actions slide because it's Jason. If he were a straight fan favorite, then it might be different. Idk, I'm just very frustrated with a whole lot of people this season, and I'm very disappointed in Jason too because I thought he was better than that, but he's clearly not a great person. |
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Are those past players Scott & Alex? If so theyre full of ****, they both wanted to work with him prior to Monte’s nomination.
Alex made a deal with Kryssie to use her CP on Jason to keep himself even before Monte’s Nom so she can’t use that ******** excuse
Scott had the perfect opportunity with the CP Twist & Neeley as the 3rd nom to BD Jason but he chose to boot Shane instead
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Are you kidding? That was the BIGGEST Advantage. They both walked in knowing they could trust each other 100% & they had a voting block of 2. That’s powerful very early in the game.
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Next, Morgan always downplayed herself to the other side. This is the biggest thing that helped her make it so far and is why, if she never got the care package, she would've stayed over Shelby and already stayed over Alex.
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ummm Morgan was the target heading into the DE without that CP Shelby would have went home but they kept Morgan even tho they knew she could get a CP because they saw her as a weak competitor, which she is...She didn’t have to “downplay” anything she suck at comps! & before you argue her wins remember who her competitors were.
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Harder than returning player who was on the block and had he not won the veto he was out the door? Or harder than the girl who walked in the door and immediately became a target & even stayed a target ahead of the vet because some of the girls were intimidated by her? 
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when is the finale? 
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