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(Santaus): I was wondering if you use Asian sunscreens yourself. I just placed an order through Rakuten Global Market (any experience there?), so I can test the product. The alcohol and dimenthicone in the ingredients have me a bit thoughtful, though. Silicone is somewhat controversial subject after all. Despite the FDA approval dimenthicone seems to get a lot of objections just going by a Google search.
EDIT: Not gonna lie, these posts (1, 2) make me want to cancel the order.
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Yeah I do use Asian suncreens.
I heard a little about rakuten, it's basically an Asian Ebay though, as in it's independent sellers in case you didn't know, also I heard it's hard to cancel orders from the sellers on there, which sunscreen did you order btw?
I definitely wouldn't be scared of silicones or dimethicone if I were you unless you know you have a sensitivity or allergy to them (true for any ingredient), both of those articles have no research and are basically opinion pieces, one of them is a natural skincare site that seems to hate chemicals in skincare period, the main concern seems to be that it forms a barrier on your skin which causes breakouts as it traps everything under it, while it does form a sort of a moisturizing barrier for your skin (one of the reasons it's used) it should hardly be an issued unless you're putting it on a a dirty unwashed face, which no one does, and the barrier doesn't disrupts anything your face does, it's nurturing, the article even compares it to petroleum (Vaseline) which a TON of people love to apply as their last step of their routine before bed just for its non-comedogenic moisture sealing properties which the writer isn't fond of for some reason. The other points are kinda laughable and very opinion based.
The only one with merit is "Those with sensitive or reactive skin are at risk of an allergic reaction to dimethicone"
it is a popular problemtic ingredient with allergy prone people, most people wouldn't need to concern themselves though, it'd be fairly hard to find good dimethicone free sunscreen.
The alcohol is a bit more tricky, while their sunscreens have moisturizing ingredients so the Alcohol isn't disruptive, the more mattifying options can cause issues with sensitive and dry prone people, as long as it feels ok I wouldn't be worried, which sunscreen did you order though?
There are also a lot of alcohol free Asian sunscreen out there that people love if it's a concern.
A product can just not agree with your face in general, it happens a lot in skincare, that's just the nature of it, so hopefully what you ordered (if you didn't cancel) works well with your skin, make sure you use 1/4 tablespoon of sunscreen (1) for your face and neck, people often use less than they need to to get good protection (you can still measure it without a spoon though lol, just keep it in mind), also apply 20 minutes before sun exposure as chemical sunscreen need that time for their protection to fully work, and reapply at least once mid day if you're gonna be spending most of a sunny day outside.
If you haven't bought a cleanser and moisturizer yet for the end of the day, make sure to at least rinse your face and the sunscreen off well (or shower) at the end of the day. 
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Yeah I do use Asian suncreens.
I heard a little about rakuten, it's basically an Asian Ebay though, as in it's independent sellers in case you didn't know, also I heard it's hard to cancel orders from the sellers on there, which sunscreen did you order btw?
I definitely wouldn't be scared of silicones or dimethicone if I were you unless you know you have a sensitivity or allergy to them (true for any ingredient), both of those articles have no research and are basically opinion pieces, one of them is a natural skincare site that seems to hate chemicals in skincare period, the main concern seems to be that it forms a barrier on your skin which causes breakouts as it traps everything under it, while it does form a sort of a moisturizing barrier for your skin (one of the reasons it's used) it should hardly be an issued unless you're putting it on a a dirty unwashed face, which no one does, and the barrier doesn't disrupts anything your face does, it's nurturing, the article even compares it to petroleum (Vaseline) which a TON of people love to apply as their last step of their routine before bed just for its non-comedogenic moisture sealing properties which the writer isn't fond of for some reason. The other points are kinda laughable and very opinion based.
The only one with merit is "Those with sensitive or reactive skin are at risk of an allergic reaction to dimethicone"
it is a popular problemtic ingredient with allergy prone people, most people wouldn't need to concern themselves though, it'd be fairly hard to find good dimethicone free sunscreen.
The alcohol is a bit more tricky, while their sunscreens have moisturizing ingredients so the Alcohol isn't disruptive, the more mattifying options can cause issues with sensitive and dry prone people, as long as it feels ok I wouldn't be worried, which sunscreen did you order though?
There are also a lot of alcohol free Asian sunscreen out there that people love if it's a concern.
A product can just not agree with your face in general, it happens a lot in skincare, that's just the nature of it, so hopefully what you ordered (if you didn't cancel) works well with your skin, make sure you use 1/4 tablespoon of sunscreen (1) for your face and neck, people often use less than they need to to get good protection (you can still measure it without a spoon though lol, just keep it in mind), also apply 20 minutes before sun exposure as chemical sunscreen need that time for their protection to fully work, and reapply at least once mid day if you're gonna be spending most of a sunny day outside.
If you haven't bought a cleanser and moisturizer yet for the end of the day, make sure to at least rinse your face and the sunscreen off well (or shower) at the end of the day. |
I placed an order on Biore UV Aqua Rich Watery Essence sunscreen. The bit that said it would interfere with the skin's natural processes had me most worried. Obviously since I'm such a novice, at least for now, it's harder for me to question or discredit their arguments, so I appreciated your input.
Should the product dry up my skin, would applying moisturizer with the sunscreen help?
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Originally posted by Santaus
I placed an order on Biore UV Aqua Rich Watery Essence sunscreen. The bit that said it would interfere with the skin's natural processes had me most worried. Obviously since I'm such a novice, at least for now, it's harder for me to question or discredit their arguments, so I appreciated your input.
Should the product dry up my skin, would applying moisturizer with the sunscreen help?
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Their logic was that your skin gets a dependency to the coating causing it to become chronically dry thus hurting its natural process (of creating oil I assume). by that logic we shouldn't be moisturizing our skins or doing anything really or our skin will get lazy and not do anything? a routine can definitely change your skins behavior which is why keeping up with it is important, but their claims are baseless and bizarre, unless dimethicone has a unique effect of stopping our skins natural functions (which it doesn't, no research claims that) there's no reason to come to the conclusion of what they're saying, they're just making very wild assumptions.
I don't think the Watery Essence will dry you out at all, but idk how prone to dryness you are?
You could definitely apply a fast soaking moisturizer before applying the sunscreen, and yeah it will help with any dryness it would cause, but the Watery Essence has moisturizing proprieties too and since I assume you'll just be washing your face in the morning with water rather than cleanse, there most likely won't be a needs to moisturize your skin, but just pay attention to how your skin feels and looks and I'm sure you'll figure out what it needs from your routine.
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Originally posted by pepsimanvn
I could get a bit crazy with my routine but now I try to keep things simple. My skin is combination oily.
Morning: Simple cleanser > nuFountain C20+Ferulic > Curel intensive moisture cream > Skin Aqua clear milk sunscreen
Night: Simple cleanser > retin A 0.05% (every other day) > Curel intensive moisture cream
I also use an exfoliant with 10% glycolic acid from Paula Choice about 2 times a week.
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You put mine to shame, embarrassed to share 
My routine is kinda ghetto since I'm lowkey poor/cheap and the struggle is real 
My skin is combo-dry
I cleanse with Cetaphil's Gentle Skin Cleanser, I exfoliate with Stridex and Alpha Skin Care's 10% Glycolic AHA occasinally, I moisturize with Nivea Creme at night currently since I've tried so many moisturizers and they often don't agree with me, I'll probably try something else soon though.
In the morning I use Biore's Watery Essence but I have their Watery Gel to try once I'm done with the watery.
I need to get me some more Vitamin C serum soon.
I'm going to a derm this week and I'm aiming for some retin A 0.05 
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Originally posted by HungryByTheBuffet
Their logic was that your skin gets a dependency to the coating causing it to become chronically dry thus hurting its natural process (of creating oil I assume). by that logic we shouldn't be moisturizing our skins or doing anything really or our skin will get lazy and not do anything? a routine can definitely change your skins behavior which is why keeping up with it is important, but their claims are baseless and bizarre, unless dimethicone has a unique effect of stopping our skins natural functions (which it doesn't, no research claims that) there's no reason to come to the conclusion of what they're saying, they're just making very wild assumptions.
I don't think the Watery Essence will dry you out at all, but idk how prone to dryness you are?
You could definitely apply a fast soaking moisturizer before applying the sunscreen, and yeah it will help with any dryness it would cause, but the Watery Essence has moisturizing proprieties too and since I assume you'll just be washing your face in the morning with water rather than cleanse, there most likely won't be a needs to moisturize your skin, but just pay attention to how your skin feels and looks and I'm sure you'll figure out what it needs from your routine. |
Let me just thank you once more. You've been such a huge help. 
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Let me just thank you once more. You've been such a huge help. |
No problem, I enjoy this
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Santaus: I'm sorry if this is becoming way too common of an occurrence, but since we were on the topic of sunscreens, I thought about something and wanted to ask the following: How do you use sunscreen/how should it be used as per recommendations (differentiated in case you make your own exceptions) through the year? Should the usage and dosage always be the same? All year round, no matter the season or weather? I mean I get that there's always UV radiation, especially UVA and even indoors, though the levels may vary, but it does feel a bit ridiculous to use strong sunscreen when there's less exposure to degree (dark, cloudy etc.) Especially in our weathers here in Finland. Should I still stick to the same routine and product or could/should I make adjustments? I feel like that's what ppl generally do even if it's not "recommended." They see it as less of a risk, but I guess that's a misconception.
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The recommendations are to apply 1/4 teaspoon for your face and neck, and reapply every 2 hours of sun exposure, the key is to get a sunscreen you really don't mind wearing so you don't have to think about it too much, you shouldn't be trading anything for a "strong" sunscreen so there shouldn't be a problem using them all year long, the base recommendations don't really differ based on circumstances, personally I always just apply the same amount of the same product and don't reapply unless I'm outside all day and get lots of hours of direct sunlight, if you were to make an exception it should be reapply in summer rather than under apply in winter.
Btw just thought I'd mention, the biore uv watery essence isn't water or sweat proof so you can't use it for the beach and stuff, it's just for daily use.
As for products in general, many people make adjustments based on seasons, such as wearing a heavier moisturizer in winter and a lighter one in summer, using harsh products less frequent during winter, etc, but it's very individual, it depends how your skin reacts to seasons, some people don't need to make any changes.
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Originally posted by HungryByTheBuffet
The recommendations are to apply 1/4 teaspoon for your face and neck, and reapply every 2 hours of sun exposure, the key is to get a sunscreen you really don't mind wearing so you don't have to think about it too much, you shouldn't be trading anything for a "strong" sunscreen so there shouldn't be a problem using them all year long, the base recommendations don't really differ based on circumstances, personally I always just apply the same amount of the same product and don't reapply unless I'm outside all day and get lots of hours of direct sunlight, if you were to make an exception it should be reapply in summer rather than under apply in winter.
Btw just thought I'd mention, the biore uv watery essence isn't water or sweat proof so you can't use it for the beach and stuff, it's just for daily use.
As for products in general, many people make adjustments based on seasons, such as wearing a heavier moisturizer in winter and a lighter one in summer, using harsh products less frequent during winter, etc, but it's very individual, it depends how your skin reacts to seasons, some people don't need to make any changes.
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I get that. It just feels a bit useless, but that's why it can be so deceptive.
I noticed that. Shouldn't be an issue. I just have to have something else for outdoor sports and whatnot.
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I'm selling a TOON of stuff and god knows all my money is going to makeup
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I tried listening to all Paula's Choice advices and my skin looked the worst it ever has, especially from that 2% BHA liquid. It's good for clearing your nose pores once in a while, but otherwise it made my skin dry and flaky even when I used it only twice a week...I don't think something that removes your natural fats from your skin is good in the long run...moreover making a good skincare is much more difficult than she made it out to be, for example her beloved toner with niacinamide uses glycerine and butylene gylcol while some studies showed glycerine without use of hexyldecanol blocks penetration of niacinamide...it's all very pseudoscientific in my opinion. Rant over.
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I love you, CC Cream.
Does anyone use Kiko cosmetics
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so my doctor gave me benzaclin gel and it basically has the same texture as La Mer's creams
the reviews are great on the benzaclin i took before pictures and every week i'll take a pic of my process
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I'm gonna film a natural makeup tutorial for men tomorrow! Hope you guys like it 💩
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The Becca blushes >>> They are so pigmented and last all day. 
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Any Too Faced users?
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Me! I love their Hangover Primer and Eye Shadow Palettes 
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I love you, CC Cream.
Does anyone use Kiko cosmetics
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Not yet but I want 2! I heard they are good, let us know if u do
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OMG im so over foundation. Totally washes out your features and you have to over compensate with the bronzer/contour/highlight to bring back your features. I mean i go for a natural look so thats the issue, but for women and guys who want to hide blemishes all the power to you.
Also for dark circles. Do not use a light concealer, it just makes it look grey and too bright (which makes your eye look smaller). I recommend the same shade as your foundation or just a shade darker, its perfect i promise 
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UGH Colourpop released new metallic lipsticks just when I finished buying a haul of stuff
I want Lights Out, too. https://colourpop.com/products/lights-out
Do any of y'all use clear lip liner? I really need to start using lip liner but I aint about to buy one for all my lipstick shades so I think I'll just use a clear lip liner so I can match any of them. Does it work well?
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Does anyone know any good products for acne scars? I have a bunch on my forehead (I used to pick at / pop my pimples - I know, never do it). I feel like I've tried everything - nothing works - but I don't want to resort to laser removal just yet.
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