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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 5/27/2016
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If Hillary gets damaged and has to leave the ticket after being nominated but before election day does Kaine automatically become the nominee? Who becomes VP?
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Mitch.
And I mean let's be real for one second, the far-far left wants Trump to win. I'm talking about straight, white socialists (who are mostly men), who believe a Trump presidency will push people towards the Revolution. They have nabbed as many Little Bernsters as possible and turned Hillary from their second choice into Satan reincarnate.
At the end of the day, it is not the champagne socialists that will suffer under Trump but the racial, religious and sexual/gender minorities (who incidentally mostly voted for Hillary in the primary, and will vote for her again in the General). |
Where are you getting this info from? Most of his supporters back Clinton and the ones that don't like her say they especially don't like Trump.
Most of that base are probably just going to sit this election out, which is why I still don't get why she went with Kaine. She's the centrist, moderate person in the race. Warren was a risky choice, I'll give you that, but she still could have found a compromise in a Tom Perez or even Jeff Merkley. He supported Sanders but it would've shown she was listening to that part of the party and he was the white guy who could have brought in some support from those weary of an all female ticket.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Icarus
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Bernie and his team are 100% on Team Clinton. Even Jeff Weaver was fully on board form what I saw yesterday. He is not going to sabotage her. 
He knows if Trump is president, his movement goes nowhere and has 0 influence. At least with Clinton, they can continue to try and influence her.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Mike91
Where are you getting this info from? Most of his supporters back Clinton and the ones that don't like her say they especially don't like Trump.
Most of that base are probably just going to sit this election out, which is why I still don't get why she went with Kaine. She's the centrist, moderate person in the race. Warren was a risky choice, I'll give you that, but she still could have found a compromise in a Tom Perez or even Jeff Merkley. He supported Sanders but it would've shown she was listening to that part of the party and he was the white guy who could have brought in some support form those weary of an all female ticket.
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The Bernie dead-enders wouldn't vote for Clinton no matter what, I'm glad she didn't try to appease them with the VP choice. They always move the goalposts.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Bernie will not pull a Ted Cruz. I think he'll just call for a reform in the DNC.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Bernie will pull a Ted Cruz. I think he'll just call for a reform in the DNC.
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Agreed, he's a narcissist. Wouldn't be surprised if he threw everyone under the bus tonight.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Also didn't he praise Tim Kaine this week? His delegates can sit.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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Originally posted by Mike91
Where are you getting this info from? Most of his supporters back Clinton and the ones that don't like her say they especially don't like Trump.
Most of that base are probably just going to sit this election out, which is why I still don't get why she went with Kaine. She's the centrist, moderate person in the race. Warren was a risky choice, I'll give you that, but she still could have found a compromise in a Tom Perez or even Jeff Merkley. He supported Sanders but it would've shown she was listening to that part of the party and he was the white guy who could have brought in some support form those weary of an all female ticket.
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I'm talking about people to far left of Sanders, who scoff at the idea of his 'democratic socialism'.
I have no doubt the majority of Bernie voters who vote at the election will vote for Hillary but there are significant forces from both the far left and the alt-right poaching as many as straight, white young Bernie voters telling them to stay home/or vote Stein or vote Trump, using Hillary's 'corruption' as their main selling point. In a close vote, this matters.
I'm starting to agree with the picking of Kaine tbh, I can really see where she is coming from. She is not catering to disaffected young Democrats, because frankly, they cannot be relied on to vote in the best of times. She is selling steady and stable government to middle-ground white people (especially white women) who are just not comfortable with Trump.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Political analyst Nate Silver’s latest forecast has Republican nominee Donald Trump with a 15 percentage point-greater chance of beating presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton if the election were held today, according to FiveThirtyEight.
Silver's "now-cast," updated with fresh surveys on Monday, shows Trump's current likelihood of winning at 57.5 percent, compared with Clinton’s 42.5 percent. In the 11 battleground states, Colorado, Virginia and Michigan would go to Clinton, while Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Iowa would go to Trump.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...winning-226114
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by Benzene
Agreed, he's a narcissist. Wouldn't be surprised if he threw everyone under the bus tonight.
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lol I mean he won't. It will make him look incredibly opportunistic especially after his strong endorsement and collaboration with the Hillary campaign.
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Originally posted by Benzene
The Bernie dead-enders wouldn't vote for Clinton no matter what, I'm glad she didn't try to appease them with the VP choice. They always move the goalposts.
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I agree that a lot won't, but 45% of the party identify as liberal and Bernie still got 43% of the vote.
The country is becoming more and more ideologically divided and there's not much that can be done to stop it at this point. People don't want to compromise on their views and they don't want leaders of their party making a deal with the other side aka "the enemy". Is it damaging to our country? Absolutely, but that's reality right now. There are still a lot of moderates out there to pick up, don't get me wrong (I'm not saying she should go full liberal), but you still need your base at the end of the day to win. Clinton cannot afford to have that part of the party just stay home. It's also not good if they just show up to vote against Trump but don't get out and try to energize more voters to vote for her. And this email leak did not help.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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I don't think we have to worry about Bernie pulling a Cruz. He already endorsed her and campaigned with her. If anything he might have some harsh words for the DNC, but the DNC is not Hillary. As long as he stays on topic and drills it home how Trump cannot be President and how Hillary should it will be ok.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
lol I mean he won't. It will make him look incredibly opportunistic especially after his strong endorsement and collaboration with the Hillary campaign.
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Yeah, I agree. He genuinely does not want a Trump presidency.
But I tell ya, if it was a moderate like Mitt or Kasich on the other side instead of Trump, Bernie would rain hellfire on the DNC.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Benzene
Agreed, he's a narcissist. Wouldn't be surprised if he threw everyone under the bus tonight.
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Why do people keep calling him a narcissist? He wanted changes to the platform. He endorsed her, has been praising her interviews since, didn't attack her VP pick (only said he was more conservative than him, which is true) and even Jeff Weaver is saying the party needs to unite to elect Clinton.
Wanting to change the platform to benefit more people =/= narcissist.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Mitch.
And I mean let's be real for one second, the far-far left wants Trump to win. I'm talking about straight, white socialists (who are mostly men), who believe a Trump presidency will push people towards the Revolution. They have nabbed as many Little Bernsters as possible and turned Hillary from their second choice into Satan reincarnate.
At the end of the day, it is not the champagne socialists that will suffer under Trump but the racial, religious and sexual/gender minorities (who incidentally mostly voted for Hillary in the primary, and will vote for her again in the General). |
And the most disgusting thing is that that crowd has historically counted on the support of Blacks, Latinos, and other minorities in electing their candidates of preference. These are the blocks that have decided elections in their favor despite diminishing white support. You have them to thank for Obama winning in 2012 despite losing the white vote to Romney in record numbers.
Additionally, had Bernie won the nomination, I am sure minorities would have showed out for him in the general election without hesitation. Can you imagine the toxic vitriol that would be flung in their direction had they displayed the stubbornness currently shown by the Bernie or Busters? We already got a taste of it as Bernie got thrashed by Hillary in the South.
Unity only matters to these people when they're not the ones charged to make a compromise.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by midnightdawn
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Picking Kaine was such a blunder, damn.
We needed someone who could get people to show up in Nov at the very minimum. Oh well.
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Member Since: 9/20/2011
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Originally posted by Artemisia
And the most disgusting thing is that that crowd has historically counted on the support of Blacks, Latinos, and other minorities in electing their candidates of preference. These are the blocks that have decided elections in their favor despite diminishing white support. You have them to thank for Obama winning in 2012 despite losing the white vote to Romney in record numbers.
Additionally, had Bernie won the nomination, I am sure minorities would have showed out for him in the general election without hesitation. Can you imagine the toxic vitriol that would be flung in their direction had they displayed the stubbornness currently shown by the Bernie or Busters? We already got a taste of it as Bernie got thrashed by Hillary in the South.
Unity only matters to these people when they're not the ones charged to make a compromise.
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This remains my biggest issue with the Bernie or Busters. Everytime they shout corruption or voter fraud they are essentially saying that the minority vote matters less than theirs (I know that's not what they mean but how it comes across).
Edit: And I'm sorry, some of language the Sanders camp used when talking about the South was downright disgusting.
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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A lot of people say white men are foolish for voting Trump and we shouldn't say we think minorities voted against their interest by voting for Clinton instead of Sanders ?
Sorry, minorities have no more right to be protected from criticism than anyone else.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Artemisia
And the most disgusting thing is that that crowd has historically counted on the support of Blacks, Latinos, and other minorities in electing their candidates of preference. These are the blocks that have decided elections in their favor despite diminishing white support. You have them to thank for Obama winning in 2012 despite losing the white vote to Romney in record numbers.
Additionally, had Bernie won the nomination, I am sure minorities would have showed out for him in the general election without hesitation. Can you imagine the toxic vitriol that would be flung in their direction had they displayed the stubbornness currently shown by the Bernie or Busters? We already got a taste of it as Bernie got thrashed by Hillary in the South.
Unity only matters to these people when they're not the ones charged to make a compromise.
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Why is this the truest statement ever posted in this thread?
I'd love for blacks + latinos to sit out just *one election.
The far-left force-feed their awful, unpopular bulletpoints on the party (like the coal and fracking nonsense) and then on election day it becomes "We need to turn out the blacks and hispanics!!"
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