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Stats: $83,040,746 - ArtRave Boxscores & Receipts - Official Thread
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Who cares about the state of the economy when tickets were practically free?
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Originally posted by iC0NIC
Tragic
Even Shakira outdid her in Greece
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"even Shakira"
She always manages to sell out stadiums tho lmfao
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Originally posted by iC0NIC
Who cares about the state of the economy when tickets were practically free?
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omg the logic
because when you go to a concert, the ticket is the only thing you pay for
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Originally posted by TanguyMonsterr
And the show was sold out, which means only 27,000 went for sales. Which means all the tickets have been bought. And don't start with the "Billboard is covering her" because, if you check the list, there's a show that is not reported as sold out. In facts, it was reported as 79% sold out.
If the Greek show wasn't sold out, it wouldn't be reported as sold out. That's as simple as that, wether you like it or not.
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don't fool yourself
almost the whole stadium went on sale and that's that
also take a look here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnka...57647742872916
especially the photos #9, #10 and #11
do you see a sold out show?
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Originally posted by Rainbow Unicorn
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work like that.
First of all, Stade de France has a maximum capacity of 76-78k in a end-stage configuration.
Rihanna performed for 76k, it was sold-out (or almost if we count last minute tickets). Gaga was near to sold-out, she sold 71k tickets and her capacity was 75-76k according to the promoters. Madonna sold 62k and 1D 57k (x2). Both acts didn't sold-out the stadium. So... That's not how it works. This is just business, they report shows as sold-out even if they weren't...
Same thing for Oslo, the show wasn't sold-out. A lot of tickets were still available the day of show, so it means that there were obviously more than 9k available.
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that's the ONLY truth
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Originally posted by SeanET
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I'm glad that finally someone understand the truth. I love you.
I'm a real Little Monster, Gaga is everything to me, but I have to admit that not all of her shows were sold-out... Somes fans are always trying to find alternatives, I don't know why
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Originally posted by TanguyMonsterr
All the shows mentioned were sold-out. Even Madonna's and One Direction's.
And you can't possibility know how any tickets were left hours before the show. You can't generally buy them on the Internet and have to buy them in person. Which means there's NO WAY you can know how many are left, which could totally mean enough people bought tickets the day of the show for the show to be sold out.
And yes, that's how it works. It has been explained many times, it will still be explained the same way, even if you don't want to believe it, that's the way it works.
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This is not the truth and you don't want to believe it... This is actually how you think it works and what you want, this is not the actual system.
I guess you'll say that Berlin was sold-out when Live Nation will report 10,000 / 10,000 and there were 2k seats left and a lot of empty seats... This is not how it works sorry. For Dubai, 8k tickets were sold, even the promoters AMI Live announced that 25k tickets were available and that the sales boost wasn't good, so it wasn't sold-out. In Tel Aviv, the promoters expected to sell between 25k and 35k, they sold 19k : which means that more tickets were available and the show was not sold-out. Do you need more examples ?
In the music industry, everything is just a big lie tbh.
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Originally posted by iC0NIC
Who cares about the state of the economy when tickets were practically free?
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Originally posted by iC0NIC
Who cares about the state of the economy when tickets were practically free?
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because you really trying and embarasing your self, madonna was here during sticky and sweet tour back in 2009 when the lowest money per month was 700 euros and now in 2014 we re down to 350 and citizens have to pay 7 times more money to bills etc than in 2009 and those are real stats. So Madonna has a huge career with sooo many years in the industry and gaga only 6 years while you re hearing the elder people to slap gaga when they re hearing or they see her. Madonna had 4-5 generations to buy tickets while gaga only 2 and including the economic situation i talked about before students dont have money for that. I got tickets and for almost 2 months i couldnt be able to go even for a coffee because my next salari went for bills once again and more than 20 friends of mine didnt buy tickets because they couldnt afford it (hopefully 2 of them won tickets). so dont you trying with this stuff because its true that the economy was a huge factor in that case plus that greeks are not here for pop shows, rock shows are almost sold out every time, for a pop show you have to be madonna, gaga sold 27.000 (2012), rihanna 17.000 (2010), Shakira 35.000, Madonna 75.000 (2009), Beyonce 13.000. This wasnt a concert that will bring lavris 9mil, they knew that and they booked oaka stadium just if the lower sections are sold out to put the upper then on sale, it was more of a promo concert for the 2 big companies that were promoters and then bring some money to lavris too that they basically are doing only some cirque du soleil shows every year.
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Originally posted by SeanET
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Yes I do. And what I see is confirmed by LiveNation. Who shall I believe between an official source and some random people on the Internet ? Wow, though choice.
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Originally posted by Rainbow Unicorn
I'm glad that finally someone understand the truth. I love you.
I'm a real Little Monster, Gaga is everything to me, but I have to admit that not all of her shows were sold-out... Somes fans are always trying to find alternatives, I don't know why
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Originally posted by Rainbow Unicorn
This is not the truth and you don't want to believe it... This is actually how you think it works and what you want, this is not the actual system.
I guess you'll say that Berlin was sold-out when Live Nation will report 10,000 / 10,000 and there were 2k seats left and a lot of empty seats... This is not how it works sorry. For Dubai, 8k tickets were sold, even the promoters AMI Live announced that 25k tickets were available and that the sales boost wasn't good, so it wasn't sold-out. In Tel Aviv, the promoters expected to sell between 25k and 35k, they sold 19k : which means that more tickets were available and the show was not sold-out. Do you need more examples ?
In the music industry, everything is just a big lie tbh.
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Rainbow Unicorn, you're trying it yet again. Since the beginning of the tour, you've been nothing but negative and doubtful about the receipts.
If I were to play in an arena of 20,000 people but only put 10,000 tickets for sales, and if all the tickets were to be bought, then my show would be sold out because all the tickets have been bought. Why do you refuse to believe it?
For the Dubai show, I found nothing official about that number. The only newspaper that said that was the National, which doesn't use an official source. It just claims that 25,000 tickets were available, but they don't even quote an official source. So yes, I refuse to believe this number as long as I don't have an official declaration of the promoter. I still remember when many serious newspapers used Angela Cheng's rumor and claimed it was official when it wasn't.
For the Tel Aviv show, the 25,000 was made up by Gaga herself in an interview, and we all know how she always inflates her number. She probably still thinks she sold 20M albums with TF(M).
What you don't want to understand is that LiveNation has no problem with reporting shows that are not sold out as not sold out. They did it for the Monster Ball, they did it with the BTW Ball, they did it for artRAVE and they did it for other artists as well. So why would they lie now?
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Originally posted by Gangbaby
because you really trying and embarasing your self, madonna was here during sticky and sweet tour back in 2009 when the lowest money per month was 700 euros and now in 2014 we re down to 350 and citizens have to pay 7 times more money to bills etc than in 2009 and those are real stats. So Madonna has a huge career with sooo many years in the industry and gaga only 6 years while you re hearing the elder people to slap gaga when they re hearing or they see her. Madonna had 4-5 generations to buy tickets while gaga only 2 and including the economic situation i talked about before students dont have money for that. I got tickets and for almost 2 months i couldnt be able to go even for a coffee because my next salari went for bills once again and more than 20 friends of mine didnt buy tickets because they couldnt afford it (hopefully 2 of them won tickets). so dont you trying with this stuff because its true that the economy was a huge factor in that case plus that greeks are not here for pop shows, rock shows are almost sold out every time, for a pop show you have to be madonna, gaga sold 27.000 (2012), rihanna 17.000 (2010), Shakira 35.000, Madonna 75.000 (2009), Beyonce 13.000. This wasnt a concert that will bring lavris 9mil, they knew that and they booked oaka stadium just if the lower sections are sold out to put the upper then on sale, it was more of a promo concert for the 2 big companies that were promoters and then bring some money to lavris too that they basically are doing only some cirque du soleil shows every year.
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that's not humanly possible, kid. there's the internet generation now and the 90s and 80s are the MTV generation. read a book sometime.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
that's not humanly possible, kid. there's the internet generation now and the 90s and 80s are the MTV generation. read a book sometime.
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it was meant to be decades not generations, my bad but what im telling on that post its true
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Originally posted by Rainbow Unicorn
I'm glad that finally someone understand the truth. I love you.
I'm a real Little Monster, Gaga is everything to me, but I have to admit that not all of her shows were sold-out... Somes fans are always trying to find alternatives, I don't know why
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wish all the monsters were like you
just let them believe whatever makes them sleep better at night
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Originally posted by Gangbaby
it was meant to be decades not generations, my bad but what im telling on that post its true
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Still not true considering Madonna has been selling out stadiums since her first world tour, in fact the Girlie Show has the highest average attendance of any female tour of all time (and the highest average gross if we adjust for inflation).
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Originally posted by iC0NIC
Still not true considering Madonna has been selling out stadiums since her first world tour, in fact the Girlie Show has the highest average attendance of any female tour of all time (and the highest average gross if we adjust for inflation).
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yeah different times my friend and we re talking about greece! there's a reason why artists are coming in greece after years and years of career! For Madonna both my parents at their 35, my uncles at 47, me at 15, my cousins at 26 went to her concert but for Gaga it was only me and my cousins which couldnt go because of the economy. 27.000 its not good for that stadium but its not even bad for 6 years career in a country which support mostly rock concerts and during a period of a huge economic crise! My parents are working in a production company and i know what its going on in balkans plus lets not act like Madonna isnt a f legend and shes well know for her shows all this years! i mean shes putting the best pop shows and beyonce and gaga following. i dont know if your interest is just on madonna and you hate gaga, im not into those wars between anyone i stan for real artists and admire the good things of every artist. i will be happy to see gaga being more big than now again
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Originally posted by alex_katycat
I think that my fellow Greek little monster can confirm this. TV ads, newspapers, public transportation ads, Greek Spotify promo. It was the biggest one. I live in Greece and I absolutely felt this.
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That's almost true. Madonna had even bigger promo but Gaga's promo was insane too. You couldn't possibly turn on the t.v. and not see a commercial, it was on every 5 minutes.
Also, the show did mediocre let's face the facts. Another fact though is that tickets went from $50 to 150. They weren't cheap by Greek standards. Had she come here in 2011 that wouldn't have been a factor both because the economy was much better AND she was much more popular back then. Born this Way damaged her a lot.
All in all it could be worse, the show did just o.k.
And that sold out tactic is ********.
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Originally posted by TanguyMonsterr
Rainbow Unicorn, you're trying it yet again. Since the beginning of the tour, you've been nothing but negative and doubtful about the receipts.
If I were to play in an arena of 20,000 people but only put 10,000 tickets for sales, and if all the tickets were to be bought, then my show would be sold out because all the tickets have been bought. Why do you refuse to believe it?
For the Dubai show, I found nothing official about that number. The only newspaper that said that was the National, which doesn't use an official source. It just claims that 25,000 tickets were available, but they don't even quote an official source. So yes, I refuse to believe this number as long as I don't have an official declaration of the promoter. I still remember when many serious newspapers used Angela Cheng's rumor and claimed it was official when it wasn't.
For the Tel Aviv show, the 25,000 was made up by Gaga herself in an interview, and we all know how she always inflates her number. She probably still thinks she sold 20M albums with TF(M).
What you don't want to understand is that LiveNation has no problem with reporting shows that are not sold out as not sold out. They did it for the Monster Ball, they did it with the BTW Ball, they did it for artRAVE and they did it for other artists as well. So why would they lie now?
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I'm ok with the fact that if the promoters put 10k tickets available on a 20k arena, the show will be sold-out, but it wasn't the case for the artRAVE at all (or at least for all the shows). There are tons of examples. Another proof : Vancouver, or Seattle. Both shows were sold-out or almost, before they've been rescheduled. Result : for the 15k tickets initially sold for Vancouver, more than 1.5k people refund their ticket. 13.5k people were at the concert, and the boxscore says that Gaga sold-out the arena with 13.5k which can't be true because people refund their ticket and the capacity was still the same. And about Tel Aviv, no, the promoters announced it by themselves. Your arguments are incoherent. I'm not negative, I'm trying to open people's mind. This is not because I'm a fan that I should stop thinking about what is real. If you still don't want to believe it, then say what you want...
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Originally posted by Rainbow Unicorn
I'm ok with the fact that if the promoters put 10k tickets available on a 20k arena, the show will be sold-out, but it wasn't the case for the artRAVE at all (or at least for all the shows). There are tons of examples. Another proof : Vancouver, or Seattle. Both shows were sold-out or almost, before they've been rescheduled. Result : for the 15k tickets initially sold for Vancouver, more than 1.5k people refund their ticket. 13.5k people were at the concert, and the boxscore says that Gaga sold-out the arena with 13.5k which can't be true because people refund their ticket and the capacity was still the same. And about Tel Aviv, no, the promoters announced it by themselves. Your arguments are incoherent. I'm not negative, I'm trying to open people's mind. This is not because I'm a fan that I should stop thinking about what is real. If you still don't want to believe it, then say what you want...
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Then link me to the articles that state :
-That the Vancouver show had a capacity of 15,000 (by an OFFICIAL source such as LiveNation) and that 1,500 people refund their tickets.
-Link me to the declaration of the promoter for the Tel Aviv show. If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry. But as long as I don't have those, I'm keeping my version.
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Originally posted by TanguyMonsterr
Then link me to the articles that state :
-That the Vancouver show had a capacity of 15,000 (by an OFFICIAL source such as LiveNation) and that 1,500 people refund their tickets.
-Link me to the declaration of the promoter for the Tel Aviv show. If I'm wrong, then I'm sorry. But as long as I don't have those, I'm keeping my version.
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About Tel Aviv, this is the interview/article of the promoters + Ronen Audi on September but here there are talking about 23,000 sold, which seems to be a lie by seeing the boxscores, but it means that the capacity was bigger. Actually, Hayarkon Park can hold 50k, so... No way, there weren't only 19k on sale. I can't find the proper article where the promoters were saying that 35,000 tickets will be sold, but they said it on TV, on Channel 2. The producers said they had sold over 25,000 tickets, and that the final destination would be 35,000. They also expected financial loss, because Gaga was promised $1.5M from advance and the tickets sale wasn't amazing. Sorry, I can't give you another proof for this one, I'll understand if you don't believe me. But just believe the fact that the park can hold 50k.
About Vancouver, it's simple. All the seats were available :
- artRAVE :
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...psc25717cb.png
- Born This Way Ball :
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0abfac60.png
All the seats available (like the BTWBall) = the maximum capacity is used, which means 15k (she did an average of +15k at the BTWBall).
And this is how the show looked, you can see some empty seats that were sold-out before the reschedule :
http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/h...08098541_n.jpg
Several monsters (from GGD+ATRL) counted the tickets left and there were between 1.5k and 2k tickets left :
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=468404&page=751
Live Nation reports shows as sold-out even if they weren't. And not only for Gaga you know...
Also, do you remember Gaga's show last year in Tacoma ? It was a big mess. ALL the tickets were available (about 20k).
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9d02ea6c.png
People on the upper level were pushed to the lower level and Live Nation still reported the show as sold-out with 14k/14k.
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Originally posted by Rainbow Unicorn
About Tel Aviv, this is the interview/article of the promoters + Ronen Audi on September but here there are talking about 23,000 sold, which seems to be a lie by seeing the boxscores, but it means that the capacity was bigger. Actually, Hayarkon Park can hold 50k, so... No way, there weren't only 19k on sale. I can't find the proper article where the promoters were saying that 35,000 tickets will be sold, but they said it on TV, on Channel 2. The producers said they had sold over 25,000 tickets, and that the final destination would be 35,000. They also expected financial loss, because Gaga was promised $1.5M from advance and the tickets sale wasn't amazing. Sorry, I can't give you another proof for this one, I'll understand if you don't believe me. But just believe the fact that the park can hold 50k.
About Vancouver, it's simple. All the seats were available :
- artRAVE :
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...psc25717cb.png
- Born This Way Ball :
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0abfac60.png
All the seats available (like the BTWBall) = the maximum capacity is used, which means 15k (she did an average of +15k at the BTWBall).
And this is how the show looked, you can see some empty seats that were sold-out before the reschedule :
http://scontent-b.cdninstagram.com/h...08098541_n.jpg
Several monsters (from GGD+ATRL) counted the tickets left and there were between 1.5k and 2k tickets left :
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=468404&page=751
Live Nation reports shows as sold-out even if they weren't. And not only for Gaga you know...
Also, do you remember Gaga's show last year in Tacoma ? It was a big mess. ALL the tickets were available (about 20k).
http://i1247.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9d02ea6c.png
People on the upper level were pushed to the lower level and Live Nation still reported the show as sold-out with 14k/14k.
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Again, maximal capacity =\= avaible tickets for a show. The Tel Aviv show was sold out, since we don't have anything to prove it wasn't.
And for the Vancouver, I can't use fans' information. Especially when we were told by some fans that the Dubai would bring way more than 10,000 people when it did not. I only believe LiveNation's receipts, which are the more official we have. And for the map, if all the sections are in blue, it doesn't mean all the seats can be bought. It means there is at least ONE seat that can be bought in that section. That's why, once everything is sold out, they add some back seats. Because those weren't on sales before, but since the demand was high enough, they added some.
And let me tell you that if there are some empty seats, it doesn't mean the show isn't sold out. It can mean many things :
-Someone bought them and tried to re-sell them but failed.
-Someone who should have attented couldn't and wasn't able to sell its tickets.
If the show is reported as sold out, all the tickets have been bought, and that's all that matters.
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Originally posted by aaronsmithjune1
87 Lady Gaga, Lady Starlight Telenor Arena Oslo, Norway Sept. 29, 2014 $708,509 8,948 / 8,948 1 / 1 $108.30, $46.41 Live Nation Global Touring/Live Nation Norway
this arena can hold 22k
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Wait is that real stats the reviewers said 5500-7000 though, and it was almost 9000
They should've moved it to Oslo Spektrum tbh but Telenor Arena sounds more big and WOW I guess
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