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Discussion: Atheists & Agnostics Hangout Thread.
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Avril LaQueen is the one I'm talking about, in particular.
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You can identify as a 6 year old girl for all I care or indeed a dragon eating rocks, I'm not gonna tell you how to dress or act, but I am not gonna let you change the grammar and meaning of words because of some imaginary, subjective burden you think is placed on pronouns.
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Originally posted by Communion
I'm so confused what gender identity has to do with atheism. Like....
Just change the title to "Right-Wing Users Hangout" or something.
Soon, the same users are gonna post videos trying to disprove anti-black racism exists. None of this is related to being Atheist, which is ironic, since what's so off-putting as an Atheist is seeing so many users make their entire lives about being an Atheist that they find delight in fighting with people who believe in God.
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Secularism to which those things clearly belong are relevant to atheism and the way most atheist envision a country to be organised and legisated.
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Except that has nothing to do with AvrilLaQueen's comment.
They're using a thread to discuss experiences as Atheists and Agnostics for something completely irrelevant to the experiences of being religious or areligious.
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Originally posted by Ecstasy
You can identify as a 6 year old girl for all I care or indeed a dragon eating rocks, I'm not gonna tell you how to dress or act, but I am not gonna let you change the grammar and meaning of words because of some imaginary, subjective burden you think is placed on pronouns.
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What gives you the authority to tell other people what to do tho? If they wanna do silly inoffensive things, let them! They're not bothering anyone, and I'm pretty sure most of them don't even ask people to call them by whatever pronouns they chose IRL, so it's a purely online thing for most.
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Originally posted by Lucas32
Secularism to which those things clearly belong are relevant to atheism and the way most atheist envision a country to be organised and legisated.
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Secularism is not synonymous with a fully Atheist society. It's possible for laws to be secular and the people still believe in god.
If all you do as an Atheist is fight with people about how there's no god and find thrill in it, that's so embarrassing. That's one of the oddest parts of 2nd world Atheism. Those atheists are still in their "rebel!!!" angst stage.
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Originally posted by Communion
Secularism is not synonymous with a fully Atheist society. It's possible for laws to be secular and the people still believe in god.
If all you do as an Atheist is fight with people about how there's no god and find thrill in it, that's so embarrassing. That's one of the oddest part of 2nd world Atheism. Those atheists are still in their "rebel!!!" angst stage.
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Secularism is not synonymous with atheism but those things are clearly connected and of importance to most atheists. Also, I don't see anyone here fighting religious people.
None of the people in here are going out knocking on doors,none of us are passing out free Richard Dawkins books etc. People are just discussing here nothing more. And since this is a thread designed for atheists anyway there aren't religious people to "fight" in the first place.
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Originally posted by Communion
Except that has nothing to do with AvrilLavigwhatever's comment.
They're using a thread to discuss experiences as Atheists and Agnostics for something completely irrelevant to the experiences of being religious or areligious.
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It's a thread where atheists and agnostics "hang out" we can talk about anything really. Religion has a huge effect on gender identity too let's not.
Every time you've come here it's been about how we're this and that instead of voicing your opinion. Voice your opinion sis, I really have enough of you always calling out people on whatever imaginary things like " Soon, the same users are gonna post videos trying to disprove anti-black racism exists" what kind of paranoļa. I know you have intelligent things to say, it's always so frustrating to read you (to me at least)
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Originally posted by Caprice
I'm pretty sure most of them don't even ask people to call them by whatever pronouns they chose IRL,
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They do. That is my only problem. Stop trying to change the structure of the language is all I'm saying. It's completely absurd from the scientific point of view. The rest is all you buddy, be and identify as whatever you feel like. You tell me, you feel like Pacman and I will paint you yellow, throw a sheet over my head and chase you in a maze. I will still use the same pronouns though
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Originally posted by Caprice
What gives you the authority to tell other people what to do tho? If they wanna do silly inoffensive things, let them! They're not bothering anyone, and I'm pretty sure most of them don't even ask people to call them by whatever pronouns they chose IRL, so it's a purely online thing for most.
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You are right. Like I'm mocking people who identity as dragon kin or whatever, but IRL they're not bothering me and if they asked me to call them dragon or whatever I'd do it, like I care what they do, I agree. But still, I don't see how it's bigoted to point out how they identify as something they're not, and can't be
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Originally posted by FBF
You are right. Like I'm mocking people who identity as dragon kin or whatever, but IRL they're not bothering me and if they asked me to call them dragon or whatever I'd do it, like I care what they do, I agree. But still, I don't see how it's bigoted to point out how they identify as something they're not, and can't be
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Gender is constructed. There's no factual limitations on what one can be. Even the idea of female/male as the only sexes is not true. Again, this is the authoritarian attitude that is off-putting in Atheist circles and the misusage of sciences to try and make arguments that aren't accurate.
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Like you screaming bigot and racist and everything else at everybody who doesn't have the same exact views as you is not off putting to anybody?
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Originally posted by Communion
I'm so confused what gender identity has to do with atheism. Like....
Just change the title to "Right-Wing Users Hangout" or something.
Soon, the same users are gonna post videos trying to disprove anti-black racism exists. None of this is related to being Atheist, which is ironic, since what's so off-putting as an Atheist is seeing so many users make their entire lives about being an Atheist that they find delight in fighting with people who believe in God.
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As the creator of this thread, this was not what it was originally intended to be. I originally made it just to see how many atheists were on ATRL and hear them talk about it. Slowly, it started having more & more posts about bashing islam, and more & more right wing trolls being referenced, discussed and legitimized. I have absolutely no idea why anyone is discussing "triggering" and gender identity, but tbh it seems most online atheists are just reactionary, alt right white kids trying to be edgy..
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Originally posted by Communion
Gender is constructed. There's no factual limitations on what one can be. Even the idea of female/male as the only sexes is not true. Again, this is the authoritarian attitude that is off-putting in Atheist circles and the misusage of sciences to try and make arguments that aren't accurate.
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Sis I was using the dragon example I assure you can't be a dragon that eats rocks, it'd be pretty unhealthy.
What's constructed is the social role expected of genders. Being a male or a female is a biological reality. Are we talking about the same thing ?
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Originally posted by Lucas32
Secularism is not synonymous with atheism but those things are clearly connected and of importance to most atheists. Also, I don't see anyone here fighting religious people.
None of the people in here are going out knocking on doors,none of us are passing out free Richard Dawkins books etc. People are just discussing here nothing more. And since this is a thread designed for atheists anyway there aren't religious people to "fight" in the first place.
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It's multiple certain users posting mostly about how good they feel when they "convert" or "drag" someone for believing in God. Some Atheists are just Atheists because god and religion are totally irrelevant to their lives. They spend no time ever thinking about it, while some Atheists think and talk more about god than some religious extremists. Sure I'll think about it in its immediate effects to me, but if someone is not ****ing with me, why would I think about trying to drag them and attack their beliefs? Mine and theirs can't co-exist as long as our laws/society focuses on liberation and freedom?
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Originally posted by FBF
It's a thread where atheists and agnostics "hang out" we can talk about anything really. Religion has a huge effect on gender identity too let's not.
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Those who identify outside the gender binary would be more likely to be Atheist because it is RELIGION in most, if not all, societies that indoctrinates and establishes the idea of man/woman as the only beings, establishing the moralistic idea that the woman's purpose is biological (to produce children for the man), with it believed within those faiths that God is the source and purpose to produce offspring, living a spiritually fulfilled life. Shouldn't you then praise people unafraid to rebuke a constructed reality of gender popularized by such dangerous religions?
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Bashing Islam is the right thing to do. What you guys don't get that when somebody bashes Islam for being the violent religion with violent doctrines that it is, that we are not bashing Muslim people. Just like how criticizing Christianity as a religion and idea does not mean that you hate and bash all Christians. The only person trying to be edgy is the one generalizing all points of views besides theirs as bigoted and then immediately assuming they all belong to only "white kids" which you just did.
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Bashing Islam =/= bashing muslims
Bashing Christianity =/= bashing christians
Bashing communism =/= bashing communists
ideas =/= people
etc.
edit: X2C was quicker I see.
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I generally try not to comment on things like this because there's always someone who either callls me a PC idiot or starts yelling at me that I'm a bigot... Which is funny, because that means both sides don't want me.
But I'll assume ATRL is a better place to discuss this stuff.
I have no issue addressing anyone the way they want it, as long as it's reasonable. A good example would be the aforementioned "dragon", which is something that goes a little too far for me. Most other cases though: I might not understand it but I'll gladly address someone the way they want to be addressed.
But anyway, my issue is with people who expect you to know from a first glance what they want to be addressed as. I can't tell by the way you look what your "pronoun" is. If I say it wrong, correct me and I'll happily address you that way from then on. I might have to get used to it, but I'll definitely try.
There's people who expect everyone to talk to them exactly the way they want it and that's simply not how the world works. I feel like people like that really are stuck in their own world and can't see anything from anyone else's perspective.
Be reasonable with other people, and they'll be reasonable with you. Once you put unreasonable expectations on others, they won't bother living up to those expectations.
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Originally posted by Communion
Those who identify outside the gender binary would be more likely to be Atheist because it is RELIGION in most, if not all, societies that indoctrinates and establishes the idea of man/woman as the only beings, establishing the moralistic idea that the woman's purpose is biological (to produce children for the man), with it believed within those faiths that God is the source and purpose to produce offspring, living a spiritually fulfilled life. Shouldn't you then praise people unafraid to rebuke a constructed reality of gender popularized by such dangerous religions?
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BUT I AGREE Socially constructed genders make no sense, sis I feel like you just love to be the contradictor and you never actually read what I'm telling you (or I poorly express myself which is a likely possibility too )
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