[Nialler]

Originally posted by Harrier

Honestly.
I still believe she would be a great president but the campaign has been a complete disaster all things considered, she should have sailed through to the WH when her competition is a socialist and a moron but instead we have this mess in which the only thing keeping her campaign alive is the threat of Donald Trump

Yeah it's really shocking how much she's struggling with the competition she has. Makes you think she's not really a born leader and a president material.

[Icarus]

I feel like some of these idiot protestors will attack police or something

Anyway where can I watch the Clinton Kaine interview?

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by Benzene

I live in downtown, and I don't think there will be a protest bigger than the Clean Energy March today (which had some pro-Bernie elements but mostly anti-fracking). But there are definitely a decent number of BoBs milling about.

I hope it doesn't get bad. I don't need negative coverage to cancel out her convention bump

[Dessy Fenix]

Originally posted by MAKSIM

Isn't day two usually the roll call, when Hillary officially becomes the nominee? I wouldn't want to miss that.

Is it? I guess I'll stick around...

[Harrier]

Anyone got a link for the 60 minutes interview? Watching interviews usually restores my faith in her and I need that rn

[KylieistBoi]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Do you have proof she had knowledge of this? Out of all the 20K emails not a single one was sent or received to and from Hillary's campaign or people working for her campaign

Do you have proof that she didn't? All we can do now is speculation but politics is a dirty business where people do horrible things for power.

They have 3 other parts of e-mails they are going to release so we'll know for sure eventually.

Originally posted by Retro

And some of y'all don't seem to be able to see that the "risk" of Trump winning is primarily created or exacerbated by actively choosing not to vote for her over things she had NO involvement in. I don't even care if she knew. I literally don't.

There's two options now. Pick one. Vote for Hillary, or let Trump win. That's literally all there is to it.

What about people who choose not to vote for her because of the things she did and said and was involved. She is an alienating candidate you can't deny it. I believe most people will vote for her because they have to vote to avoid a Trump presidency. Yes there is a really vocal group that won't vote for her and encourages not to vote for her but I don't think they are big enough to make an important impact at least for now. However, this shouldn't mean she should be acting all cocky, hiring people she must avoid, not even trying to appeal to those voters who are in limbo as of now etc.

I don't even care if she knew. I literally don't.

You have to care tho. Trump is a monster against most (all?) things American but this is a monstrous act against democracy too.

[imabadkid]

Originally posted by Harrier

Anyone got a link for the 60 minutes interview? Watching interviews usually restores my faith in her and I need that rn

I don't have a link but she did well tbh. I like her and Kaine together, they have good chemistry.

[lilostolemycoke]

Originally posted by KylieistBoi

Do you have proof that she didn't? All we can do now is speculation but politics is a dirty business where people do horrible things for power.

so basically we can make up our own scandals and say "well if there isn't proof it didn't happen.. then gosh darnnit! it must've happened!"

that's republican/trump 101

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by KylieistBoi

Do you have proof that she didn't? All we can do now is speculation but politics is a dirty business where people do horrible things for power.

They have 3 other parts of e-mails they are going to release so we'll know for sure eventually.



What about people who choose not to vote for her because of the things she did and said and was involved. She is an alienating candidate you can't deny it. I believe most people will vote for her because they have to vote to avoid a Trump presidency. Yes there is a really vocal group that won't vote for her and encourages not to vote for her but I don't think they are big enough to make an important impact at least for now. However, this shouldn't mean she should be acting all cocky, hiring people she must avoid, not even trying to appeal to those voters who are in limbo as of now etc.



You have to care tho. Trump is a monster against most (all?) things American but this is a monstrous act against democracy too.

What do you mean do we have proof she didn't? It's not up to me to find the proof. If you make allegations you have to find it

Besides, the proof is that NONE of the 20K emails had her name in the sent or received

[Retro]

Originally posted by KylieistBoi

What about people who choose not to vote for her because of the things she did and said and was involved. She is an alienating candidate you can't deny it. I believe most people will vote for her because they have to vote to avoid a Trump presidency. Yes there is a really vocal group that won't vote for her and encourages not to vote for her but I don't think they are big enough to make an important impact at least for now. However, this shouldn't mean she should be acting all cocky, hiring people she must avoid, not even trying to appeal to those voters who are in limbo as of now etc.

You have to care tho. Trump is a monster against most (all?) things American but this is a monstrous act against democracy too.

Again I will reiterate: there are exactly two outcomes, and y'all can choose which one you would prefer. Trump or Hillary. That is all we need to know at this point.

I do not have to care, and this isn't some "monstrous act against democracy" - especially not on the part of a woman who didn't do it. It's a corporate entity that runs a national party acting on its own justifiably vested interest in who represents it in a national election.

[ShineOverShadow]

Originally posted by Harrier

I don't really want her to resign because I like her, but you can't blame me for being a little bit distressed at the increasing possibility of Trump in the Oval Office & quite dismayed at some of the decisions the HC campaign have made.

You must not understand that she still has a much more likely shot at the White House than Trump does. Polling doesn't become historically indicative of the final result until September. She's going to raise well over a billion dollars, while Trump won't hit 500 million. She has the most sophisticated get the the vote ground game and data analytics game in history, even better than Obama's historic campaign apparatuses that got him elected twice, while Trump is investing hardly anything in any ground game or data game. And she has a massive inherent electoral college advantage and demographics advantage, and high voter turnout always favors democrats, and voter turnout is never higher than in presidential election years. Just because you're falsely worried about her chances doesn't mean that she should "resign" or that the DNC should overturn the will of the voters who chose her by more than 3.5 million votes over her competitor.

[Cheetos]

The herbal tea party is doing the most today

[ShineOverShadow]

Originally posted by RatedG²

What do you mean do we have proof she didn't? It's not up to me to find the proof. If you make allegations you have to find it

Besides, the proof is that NONE of the 20K emails had her name in the sent or received

Bingo. Innuendo insinuating that Hillary had any knowledge of it is false and there is zero evidence to back it up, and it shows a lack of impartiality, or intelligence.

[lilostolemycoke]

Originally posted by Cheetos

The herbal tea party is doing the most today

"herbal tea party" lmaoo

[Troye]

Ya'll Hillary haters need to let off some steam and run with a different argument than the "she's a snake" metaphor.

As Retro said, it's now down to Hillary and Trump. The third party candidate WILL NOT nor EVER be elected president this election cycle. It's an absolutely useless fashion statement to make to do out of spite (the 'the lessor evil is still evil' rhetoric). The real question is whether you're willing to sacrifice your future to a moron like Trump who has no credible history as a politican and an even worse track record of operating businesses (and the fact that he's certainly going to be a shadow puppet to a horrid VP like Pence). For all Hillary's faults, she's the superior candidate for Presidency and I frankly would prefer her over almost every other candidate (if Trump wasn't in contention already) simply because of her extended experience.

[Retro]

Meanwhile, Hillary still has a minimum of a 56% chance to win before receiving her own convention boost and before the debates. http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...-forecast/#now

I'm not concerned.

[Adonis]

Hillary is going to lose. Watch...

[Harrier]

Originally posted by ShineOverShadow

You must not understand that she still has a much more likely shot at the White House than Trump does. Polling doesn't become historically indicative of the final result until September. She's going to raise well over a billion dollars, while Trump won't hit 500 million. She has the most sophisticated get the the vote ground game and data analytics game in history, even better than Obama's historic campaign apparatuses that got him elected twice, while Trump is investing hardly anything in any ground game or data game. And she has a massive inherent electoral college advantage and demographics advantage, and high voter turnout always favors democrats, and voter turnout is never higher than in presidential election years. Just because you're falsely worried about her chances doesn't mean that she should "resign" or that the DNC should overturn the will of the voters who chose her by more than 3.5 million votes over her competitor.

I'm not 'falsely' worried about her chances, be fair. Though not an active poster in this thread I've been a firm Hillary supporter for months, I've got little love for Bernie. I'm aware her chances are still very high and that the circumstances are favourable to her. But the trend is not in the right direction, 56% is pretty far down from 80% or whatever it was. I'm frustrated with decisions like the one made today concerning DWS, or the way in which they approached the email scandal. Even though I'm not on the far-left, on some level I understand why the Bernie folks are pissed off as they have at the very least been treated dismissively, I've seen it even in this thread from some of the Hens here. I want Hillary to win. I don't have to agree with everything she and her campaign do to be a supporter, nor defend her on every last point.

[BlueTimberwolf]

Originally posted by ShineOverShadow

Bingo. Innuendo insinuating that Hillary had any knowledge of it is false and there is zero evidence to back it up, and it shows a lack of impartiality, or intelligence.

Proof like.....DNC editing campaign emails for her during the primary? I'm sure no one on her campaign knew anything about this right?

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1357

[D_Man3379]

Geez, you BernieBros are ferocious.

Anyway did y'all see the full DNC lineup?

So hype. Lots of great people gonna be there. What contrast the the RNC lol.