Welps, Sups brought me back. The bolded is just plain false, anyone who listens to R&B can attest to that.
And no, some whack helmet is not iconic. That's like saying Gaga is bigger than Garth Brooks because of a meat dress. Even if their impact on the genre is "undeniable" they are not STARS. They have little to no cultural impact whatsoever. They have not dominated a genre like Usher.
Oh, come on. When has Usher ever redefined the sound of R&B? He follows trends, not starts them. He was a dynamic performer with some great music, but what is his legacy? Creating a template for artists like Chris Brown, Justin Bieber and Jason DeRulo?
I was using iconic in the true sense of the word, not the ATRL synonym for famous. The helmets are iconic, just like the sparkly glove is iconic of Michael Jackson or the cone bra is iconic of Madonna. Usher has nothing like that in his career.
As for saying Daft Punk are not stars and they have no cultural impact, you clearly have not been paying attention to best-of lists, the festival circuit or dance music for the past 15 years.
Oh, come on. When has Usher ever redefined the sound of R&B? He follows trends, not starts them. He was a dynamic performer with some great music, but what is his legacy? Creating a template for artists like Chris Brown, Justin Bieber and Jason DeRulo?
I was using iconic in the true sense of the word, not the ATRL synonym for famous. The helmets are iconic, just like the sparkly glove is iconic of Michael Jackson or the cone bra is iconic of Madonna. Usher has nothing like that in his career.
As for saying Daft Punk are not stars and they have no cultural impact, you clearly have not been paying attention to best-of lists, the festival circuit or dance music for the past 15 years.
You shouldn't have to pay attention to a circuit or random critics lists to know about a celebrity if they are truly a STAR. They would permeate the culture.
And I'm not saying Usher is on Prince ish, but his legacy isn't in the sound but the imitations, which you yourself listed three of so easily.
You shouldn't have to pay attention to a circuit or random critics lists to know about a celebrity if they are truly a STAR. They would permeate the culture.
You don't have to be a big celebrity/STAR to influence popular culture though. In fact, many of the premier tastemakers are not.
Musicians are still citing Homogenic and OK Computer (or maybe don't even realize they've been influenced) almost 20 years later, though Björk and Thom were barely B-listers at their peaks and are cult favorites now.
My two cents on the Daft Punk vs. Usher debate: there's no one answer to who has had more impact. They both have had roughly the same amount of influence, which has been manifested in slightly different ways. It's what you're able to recognize and appreciate that will lead you to taking one side over the other. Usher's influence is at first more apparent because he has more of a face as an artist. He's a main player in the field of R&B and he clearly has his imitators. Daft Punk's influence seems to be a bit more abstract and behind-the-scenes. They developed their own style of French house which has been impactful to its own audience, along with altering the way some EDM is produced and crafted. I think their brand along with the helmets is more iconic than anything Usher has done but I'm not discrediting him.
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My two cents on the Daft Punk vs. Usher debate: there's no one answer to who has had more impact. They both have had roughly the same amount of influence, which has been manifested in slightly different ways. It's what you're able to recognize and appreciate that will lead you to taking one side over the other. Usher's influence is at first more apparent because he has more of a face as an artist. He's a main player in the field of R&B and he clearly has his imitators. Daft Punk's influence seems to be a bit more abstract and behind-the-scenes. They developed their own style of French house which has been impactful to its own audience, along with altering the way some EDM is produced and crafted. I think their brand along with the helmets is more iconic than anything Usher has done but I'm not discrediting him.
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I agree with all of this. My problem is that a few gurls were acting like they don't deserve to be on the list at all. Or not ahead of Usher, when really they ranked so close to each other anyways that it's not that big of a deal
P!nk - Used to be my top 5 fave growing up, but turned into a generic nonsense recently. Deserved to be in Top 100.
Ciara - She has good stuff. But not worthy of the list
Nirvana - Never been a huge fan. Smells Like The Teen Spirit is beyond fantastic though.
Stevie Wonder - He has a lot of good stuff. One of the greats.
Joni Mitchell - She's amazing. Well deserved.
U2 - Never really loved much. They are ok. The Joshua Tree is pretty good, but eh.. not amazing
The Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams, not much else.
Sugababes - Worthy of a mention if this was British-only list. They have some solid material tho.
Florence + The Machine - Her shouting gets on my nerves. Dog Days Are Over is the only thing I can tolerate.
Lana Del Rey - Shouldn't be on the list. Born To Die is good, that new Ultraviolet album of hers is awful though.
Destiny's Child - Really love DC. So many undeniable bops.
Bob Dylan - He doesn't interest me much. I tried.
Shakira - She has good stuff, but eh... she has a lot more ****.
The Rolling Stones - Greats.
Backstreet Boys - Supa I see you. Best boyband of all time, but lol no, do no belong here.
Eminem - good position
Usher - same.
Adele - deserves a mention for her impact, but hasn't done enough yet.
The Beach Boys - love love love. Deserved way higher.
Daft Punk - Same here.
OutKast - They are good. A lot of outstanding songs, but I could never stomach their albums.
Marvin Gaye - Top 10 material. One of the very very best ever.
Dolly Parton - She's ok.
Jennifer Lopez - same as Shakira.
Cyndi Lauper - a footnote, not much else.
Katy Perry - lol.
TLC - Surprised they beat DC. Love them both as much.
Girls Aloud - same as Sugababes, but better.
Blondie - good
The Supremes - greats. Could have been higher.
I wouldn't call having a notable song being influence or impact. Is Vanilla Ice a bigger influence than Janis Joplin because "Ice Ice Baby" is more remembered than her work?
Most of the stuff listed in their legacy section is baloney. Like, Rush, influenced by Led Zeppelin? (Try The Who). Even most of the stuff listed can be traced back to artists like Muddy Waters, the Stones, Iron Butterfly, etc.
Except that in the case of Led Zeppelin it's not just one notable song; their discography as a whole is fairly well remembered and praised by critics. I mean, come on, most people learning how to play the guitar learn "Stairway to Heaven" (Lord knows my cousins did...). There's even a sort of urban-legend-turned-into-reality about it:
And what about "Immigrant Song" on Shrek 3 (the bird call bit, not "Barracuda" right after)??
I still think that's impact, not only in (pop) music but also in pop culture.
EDIT: The lengths I've gone to in order to defend the inclusion of a group I didn't even vote for :laughs:
Kendrick Lamar, Janelle Monae, UGK, Kanye West, etc.
They also put Southern Hip-Hop on the MAP. Had it not been for them, people like T.I./Lil' Wayne wouldn't have careers. They also along with Kanye are credited for the decline of Gangsta rap circa 2004.
at people saying Eminem hasn't had any impact. I can tell I'm on ATRL... and how the **** is Katy Perry above him? 
