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Discussion: Countdown: The Greatest Popstars Of All Time (The Top Ten)
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You can see Outkast's influence in artists like Kid Cudi and B.O.B. Not much, but it is something. I don't know about the rock bands though.
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Kendrick Lamar, Janelle Monae, UGK, Kanye West, etc.
They also put Southern Hip-Hop on the MAP. Had it not been for them, people like T.I./Lil' Wayne wouldn't have careers. They also along with Kanye are credited for the decline of Gangsta rap circa 2004.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Daft Punk has like 3 albums and while people claim they are so impactful, none of you has been able to list any specific examples. That says it all in my opinion.
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DP brought house music to the masses and influenced many pop stars (late 90s/early 2000s from Madonna to Britney and beyond). A whole host of EDM artists (ranging from terrible to great) would probably not be relevant, or would exist in very different forms, without DP.
Just look at how they came back last year with Get Lucky, and pop music latched on immediately (sending Blurred Lines and Happy to the top, Madonna is said to be working on a disco project, Gaga and Katy both had obvious DP-inspired tracks on ARTPOP and Prism, etc.)
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With some of the people on the list (really thinking about JLO) I think their star quality and success earns them a spot even with NO influence and awful music. She is a great pop star.
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Originally posted by Vespertine
Going back to the conversation about Daft Punk, there's a big flaw in thinking that the best way to qualify "impact" is having other artists cite you as an influence. There's so much more to "impact" than that. If a pop star comes along 15 years from now and says, "My biggest influences are Katy Perry and Lady Gaga, and I've never listened to a Madonna song in my life," that doesn't preclude her from being influenced by Madonna still.
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Completely agree. It's about what you can see and observe, not what people say most of the time.
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Originally posted by JakeKills
ABBA
Amy Winehouse
Aretha Franklin
Beyoncé
Bjork
Britney Spears
Bruno Mars
Carrie Underwood(?)
Celine Dion
Cher
Christina Aguilera
David Bowie
Fleetwood Mac
Jay-Z(?)
Justin Timberlake
Kanye West
Kate Bush
Kylie
Lady Gaga
Madonna
Mariah Carey
MIA
Michael Jackson
NSYNC
Prince
Queen
Rihanna
Shania Twain
Spice Girls (they're still in, right?)
Taylor Swift
Whitney Houston
And that's 31 spots. ![Celestial](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/celestial_zps52052823.gif)
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Aaliyah will probably make it. Maybe Stevie Nicks too? Also Justice and Lucky for anyone who gets the reference.
And Ladonna Gaines!!!! ![Alexz](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ec20fb7f.gif)
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Originally posted by Vespertine
Agree with a lot of those, but I don't understand how you could say:
95. Coldplay (yuck, but I'll still give them props)
90. Tori Amos
80. Selena
79. Led Zeppelin
58. Shakira
46. Cyndi Lauper
don't belong on this list. They've all had "impact" in their respective genres imo. Annie Lennox is debatable I guess since Eurythmics covers her anyways.
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Coldplay takes way too much inspiration from U2 to be considered impactful in their own right IMO
Honest to god, I didn't even hear about Tori or Selena until I started browsing music forums (and I grew up surrounded by Hispanics who were very proud of Mexican culture). I looked them up and failed to see much impact out of their fields.
Shakira and Cyndi Lauper are memorable but I wouldn't call them impactful (but Shakira seems to do better outside of the US so maybe I just don't have a good vantage point)
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
You can see Outkast's influence in artists like Kid Cudi and B.O.B. Not much, but it is something. I don't know about the rock bands though.
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Originally posted by madonnas
Kendrick Lamar, Janelle Monae, UGK, Kanye West, etc.
They also put Southern Hip-Hop on the MAP. Had it not been for them, people like T.I./Lil' Wayne wouldn't have careers. They also along with Kanye are credited for the decline of Gangsta rap circa 2004.
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Definitely good points. I see it
I am going to have to stop you on saying UGK was AT ALL inspired by Outkast though
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Outkast and UGK have both influenced each other throughout both of their careers ![:o](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/redface_zpsfd99364e.gif)
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Originally posted by Vespertine
DP brought house music to the masses and influenced many pop stars (late 90s/early 2000s from Madonna to Britney and beyond). A whole host of EDM artists (ranging from terrible to great) would probably not be relevant, or would exist in very different forms, without DP.
Just look at how they came back last year with Get Lucky, and pop music latched on immediately (sending Blurred Lines and Happy to the top, Madonna is said to be working on a disco project, Gaga and Katy both had obvious DP-inspired tracks on ARTPOP and Prism, etc.)
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Um just no. House music was already popular in the early 90s and spread through Europe mostly b/c of Snap!. DP's first album was in 97.
Blurred lines was a hit b4 Good Lucky.
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Daft Punk's brand of French House with Disco influences though, it definitely has a distinct sound and people were influenced by it.
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Originally posted by madonnas
Daft Punk's brand of French House with Disco influences though, it definitely has a distinct sound and people were influenced by it.
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Like who? And no, an on-trend throwaway single from Katy or Gaga is not an influence. And even then, it's nowhere near Usher's level of whole genre impact.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Um just no. House music was already popular in the early 90s and spread through Europe mostly b/c of Snap!. DP's first album was in 97.
Blurred lines was a hit b4 Good Lucky.
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I said to the masses, which means outside of Europe too, where that kind of music has always been far more popular than in other countries. Hence the mainstream American musicians jumping on it after DP. Madonna's Music comes to mind. She even uses their signature vocoder vocals on the album.
And they were released within a month of each other but I remember Blurred Lines peaking later in the summer (after Get Lucky), no? I suppose that's a moot point since you could credit Pharrell either way with it. But you still can't deny there have been a whole bunch of disco-y tracks obviously inspired by DP's return over the last year.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Like who? And no, an on-trend throwaway single from Katy or Gaga is not an influence. And even then, it's nowhere near Usher's level of whole genre impact.
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We already said... songs like "Music" "Can't Get You Out of My Head" "Anticipating" etc. Plus, the Black Eyed Peas END era is very DP-esque, they even quoted them in Boom Boom Pow.
Also, Kanye West.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Like who? And no, an on-trend throwaway single from Katy or Gaga is not an influence.
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But DP/RAM is the reason it's on-trend
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And even then, it's nowhere near Usher's level of whole genre impact.
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And yet DP also have "whole genre impact." I'm pretty sure every publication hailed RAM as the return of "dance music's biggest stars" or whatever ****, and credited hem for influencing dance music as a whole ![@michael.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/micheal_zps45ccf519.gif)
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Also, since we're taking a bit of a break - if anyone would like to do writeups, just let me know!
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Don't do me. ![Gay Cat](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/random/cat_zpsebvh5uip.png)
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Originally posted by Vespertine
But DP/RAM is the reason it's on-trend ![toofunny3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny3_zps08814413.gif)
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This is just semantics now.
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Usher is a bigger star, but his impact essentially ends with his own career. I don't have a problem with him being on this list. But is he an all-time great? No.
Daft Punk have obviously seen less success than Usher, but their helmet look is more iconic than anything he has ever done and their influence on all dance music that has followed is undeniable. When you take a broad look at what makes a great pop star, their impact is enormous and worthy of recognition.
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Anyways the original debate was Usher vs DP, and I guess I'll just agree to disagree on my end.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Usher is a bigger star, but his impact essentially ends with his own career. I don't have a problem with him being on this list. But is he an all-time great? No.
Daft Punk have obviously seen less success than Usher, but their helmet look is more iconic than anything he has ever done and their influence on all dance music that has followed is undeniable. When you take a broad look at what makes a great pop star, their impact is enormous and worthy of recognition.
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Welps, Sups brought me back. The bolded is just plain false, anyone who listens to R&B can attest to that.
And no, some whack helmet is not iconic. That's like saying Gaga is bigger than Garth Brooks because of a meat dress. Even if their impact on the genre is "undeniable" they are not STARS. They have little to no cultural impact whatsoever. They have not dominated a genre like Usher.
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Originally posted by downbywednesday
I mean, I'm just not seeing the impact these artists provided:
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99. Ellie Goulding.
98. Miley Cyrus.
97. Róisín Murphy.
95. Coldplay.
93. Sophie Ellis-Bextor
90. Tori Amos.
88. All Saints.
84. Nicki Minaj.
81. Janelle Monáe.
80. Selena.
79. Led Zeppelin.
78. Paramore.
76. Kelis.
73. Annie Lennox (as a solo artist, what impact did she have?)
71. Kelly Clarkson.
70. P!nk.
69. Ciara.
63. Sugababes.
62. Florence + The Machine.
61. Lana Del Rey.
58. Shakira.
56. Backstreet Boys (NKOTB would have been better)
55. Eminem.
53. Adele.
50. Outkast.
47. Jennifer Lopez.
46. Cyndi Lauper.
45. Katy Perry.
43. Girls Aloud
I mean, I like a good chunk of these artists but their impact is either nonexistent or limited
And the Rolling Stones definitely had impact in bringing the "real" rock 'n roll sound to the white mainstream and a fair amount of impact on rock lyricism, but Zeppelin? Nah.
I'm not too bothered, but still, there are a lot of awful choices
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It's so narrow to say that the only impact that should be recognized is musical influence on artists who followed. Impact can also be on the charts, it can be cultural, it can come from merely producing great and lasting art. All of those things are a part of being a pop star, though depending on the type of career you've had, some will weigh more heavily than others in defining your legacy.
So yes, ATRL made some questionable picks. But most of the artists you cited have had significant impact in their own way. And this list would be no fun if it didn't recognize the evolution of pop music across decades, genres and eras.
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