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Celeb News: Liam Payne tweets Duck Dynasty star
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Originally posted by Javan
Right. Thank you for showing me a list of studies with conclusions without any information as to how the statistics were gathered. The study could be purposefully biased for all I know.
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It's the American Psychological Association . They're job is to study behavior. 
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However, the claim that same-sex parents produce
less positive child outcomes than opposite-sex
parents—either because such families lack both a male
and female parent or because both parents are not the
biological parents of their children—contradicts
abundant social science research. Decades of
methodologically sound social science research,
especially multiple nationally representative studies
and the expert evidence introduced in the district
courts below, confirm that positive child wellbeing is
the product of stability in the relationship between the
two parents, stability in the relationship between the
parents and child, and greater parental socioeconomic
resources. Whether a child is raised by same-sex or
opposite-sex parents has no bearing on a child’s
wellbeing.
The clear and consistent consensus in the social
science profession is that across a wide range of
indicators, children fare just as well when they are
raised by same-sex parents when compared to children
raised by opposite-sex parents. The social science
studies cited by BLAG, Proposition 8 Proponents, and
their amici to support their arguments fail to address
same-sex parents at all. Accordingly, as a matter of
science, these studies cannot serve as the basis for
conclusions about same-sex parents and related child
outcomes and do not undermine the social science
consensus that children fare just as well with same-sex
parents. To the extent some of the studies cited by
BLAG and the Proposition 8 Proponents show that
stability improves child outcomes, they confirm that4
marriage rights for same-sex couples and the federal
recognition of such marriages are likely to improve the
wellbeing of children of same-sex parents by providing
enhanced family stability. The research presented in
this brief articulates these points in greater detail, and
demonstrates that the government’s interest in
promoting the wellbeing of children is neither
substantially nor rationally connected to DOMA or
Proposition 8, because the overwhelming scientific
evidence shows clearly that same-sex couples are
equally capable of generating positive child outcomes.4
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http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/...x_Marriage.pdf
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Originally posted by Sinister
javan...you didnt have any uncles or grandfathers...or cable???
I think it's great to have two parents in your life...but I know what not to do when I have kids because of my father and brother
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Yeh. I have a pretty good idea of how I'm going to raise my child. But do I really, when I didn't even have that experience for myself? Having grandparents/uncles is definitely not the same as being fathered. Maybe it's only me who are not close to them, everyones situation is different. But I believe every child deserves both 
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Originally posted by Javan
You're making a lot of assumptions about me :/
Look, I have been raised in a singly parent household. I have a great mother who does her best, and I'm actually quite privileged to have her. I don't struggle in school or with my sexuality, of course I believe single sex parents can do a successful job. I'm a testament to that belief. But that doesn't mean to say it's ideal. As a male it's important that I have a farther figure as well as a mother figure in my life. There are some things, you can't discuss with your mother because she can't truly give you information from the male perspective. And most importantly, I intend to have kids, how will know what it means to be farther if I wasn't raised by my own? This is actually a viscous cycle in black communities in the West. Imagine if your farther died in the middle of your childhood, you'd definitely feel the void, even if you didn't have the best of relationships. And I'm not even mourning. I jusst simply believe that asking for different sex parents is not asking for to much. It's a standard imo . I'm sure for every study that you can pull up, I can post a study that contradicts it but there are somethings you can't escape. |
Yes I understand that but the mother or father figure in your life doesn't have to be your biological parent.
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I'm disappointed in him for this.
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dead at this having 52 pages.
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Originally posted by Javan
You're making a lot of assumptions about me :/
Look, I have been raised in a singly parent household. I have a great mother who does her best, and I'm actually quite privileged to have her. I don't struggle in school or with my sexuality, of course I believe single sex parents can do a successful job. I'm a testament to that belief. But that doesn't mean to say it's ideal. As a male it's important that I have a farther figure as well as a mother figure in my life. There are some things, you can't discuss with your mother because she can't truly give you information from the male perspective. And most importantly, I intend to have kids, how will know what it means to be farther if I wasn't raised by my own? This is actually a viscous cycle in black communities in the West. Imagine if your farther died in the middle of your childhood, you'd definitely feel the void, even if you didn't have the best of relationships. And I'm not even mourning. I jusst simply believe that asking for different sex parents is not asking for to much. It's a standard imo . I'm sure for every study that you can pull up, I can post a study that contradicts it but there are somethings you can't escape. |
Yes, every child ideally should have TWO parents. Instead of wondering "How can I know to be a good dad" wonder "how can I be a good parent?".
The only legitimate difference would be during the "sex talks". However, it's not hard for a man to educate themselves about the basics of female reproduction or vica versa.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
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ok cool. But how they conduct the study is what I take issue with because it can't see wwhere it says it anywhere. Did they consider studying families from the same economic background/class/age because these are all other huge factors.
I can tell you this, the majority of gay parents adopt. And adopting isn't easy... especially for gay people. Gay people who adopt usually belong to a certain type of class so of course their children are going to "fair well" (by their definition).
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I actually don't think he's homophobic. He's always been gay-friendly, even right back before they were famous so I don't see why he would purposely endorse homophobia now, and in such a public way as well.
Some of the people in this thread, on the other hand. 
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Some of the people on this forum. I swear.
Not only do they prove that our schools are failures, but they also prove common sense and human decency is somewhat of a myth...
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Originally posted by Sinister
javan...you didnt have any uncles or grandfathers...or cable???
I think it's great to have two parents in your life...but I know what not to do when I have kids because of my father and brother
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Cable? 
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Originally posted by Gangsta4alife
Yes I understand that but the mother or father figure in your life doesn't have to be your biological parent.
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yes, I understand this. But not everyone is given plan B. Everyone deserves their plan A at least 
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Originally posted by Javan
ok cool. But how they conduct the study is what I take issue with because it can't see wwhere it says it anywhere. Did they consider studying families from the same economic background/class/age because these are all other huge factors.
I can tell you this, the majority of gay parents adopt. And adopting isn't easy... especially for gay people. Gay people who adopt usually belong to a certain type of class so of course their children are going to "fair well" (by their definition).
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Don't be so damn arrogant You really are trying every excuse in the book to shun homosexual parents. They are literally the leading psychological research center in the U.S... take that and run.
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Originally posted by Javan
yes, I understand this. But not everyone is given plan B. Everyone deserves their plan A at least |
So you're basically calling homosexual couples that give children loving homes a "plan B"? Wow, just wow.
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Yes, every child ideally should have TWO parents. Instead of wondering "How can I know to be a good dad" wonder "how can I be a good parent?".
The only legitimate difference would be during the "sex talks". However, it's not hard for a man to educate themselves about the basics of female reproduction or vica versa.
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Why two ? If studies showed that kids' well being is the same regardless of the number of parents in the household, would your opinion change on that matter ?
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Originally posted by Javan
You're making a lot of assumptions about me :/
Look, I have been raised in a singly parent household. I have a great mother who does her best, and I'm actually quite privileged to have her. I don't struggle in school or with my sexuality, of course I believe single sex parents can do a successful job. I'm a testament to that belief. But that doesn't mean to say it's ideal. As a male it's important that I have a farther figure as well as a mother figure in my life. There are some things, you can't discuss with your mother because she can't truly give you information from the male perspective. And most importantly, I intend to have kids, how will know what it means to be farther if I wasn't raised by my own? This is actually a viscous cycle in black communities in the West. Imagine if your farther died in the middle of your childhood, you'd definitely feel the void, even if you didn't have the best of relationships. And I'm not even mourning. I jusst simply believe that asking for different sex parents is not asking for to much. It's a standard imo . I'm sure for every study that you can pull up, I can post a study that contradicts it but there are somethings you can't escape. |
Well how about you find some. Preferably some not commissioned by any group with "family" or "marriage" in the title.
To my knowledge, no reputable study has ever found any difference in wellbeing between children raised by gay couples and children raised by straight couples.
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Originally posted by BadKidBrodie
So you're basically calling homosexual couples that give children loving homes a "plan B"? Wow, just wow.
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Well done for being able to take my comment out of it's original context to make an irrelevant point 
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Originally posted by BadKidBrodie
Don't be so damn arrogant You really are trying every excuse in the book to shun homosexual parents. They are literally the leading psychological research center in the U.S... take that and run. |
I'm not being arrogant. You can't give me a hypothesis, results and conclusion of an experiment without providing the method. I don't care who posted it, without information on the method I have no reason to believe this study is reliable.
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The problem with having an idea of a "traditional family" is that the concept of a breadwinner-homemaker nuclear family arises from a brief period in the mid 1900s. Now people hold us to standards that were never actually standards! Many cultures around the world don't consider nuclear families/one mother + one father as the ideal. They would scoff at how irresponsible those families are for depriving their children of their extended families (being raised by both your parents and your grandparents, etc). Again, it's all based in what society tells you as you grow up.
If you had been raised in a (hypothetical, of course) country where children were exclusively cared for by same-sex couples, you might think opposite-sex couples aren't as good for a child
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Originally posted by Javan
 There is a reason why fathers who abandon their children almost always had absent fathers in their own lives too. |
But you could twist this the other way too You said you didn't have a father figure to teach you how to be a father in the future. Same situation here, abandoned by my biological father... which has taught me not to do that, to be loving and present (not that I ever plan/expect to have children tho).
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I don't really think Liam is homophobic and we certainly don't know how he really feels, but I won't deny that tweet can been interpreted the way many here are taking it.
"the family values you still all behold..." wording and context can change it all.
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Originally posted by Javan
Well done for being able to take my comment out of it's original context to make an irrelevant point
I'm not being arrogant. You can't give me a hypothesis, results and conclusion of an experiment without providing the method. I don't care who posted it, without information on the method I have no reason to believe this study is reliable. |
Well done for showing your true colours and making a complete fool of yourself on ATRL in front of everyone
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