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Celeb News: Lady Gaga cancels Jakarta concert
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Originally posted by helloDer
With 4000 security gaurds I don't understand what could go wrong - especially if they were planning on screening everyone beforehand anyway.
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Haven't you seen the videos of fans jumping onto her stage before?
Since she was planning on doing the show without her dancers, that means that until (a) security guard(s) could reach the stage, anyone up there has a chance to get into an altercation with her. Even if they don't have wepons they could severely injure her, along with any people who try to intervene before the security guard(s) can.
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Member Since: 6/29/2011
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
Anyone who's "angry" with her or "lost respect for her" is dead wrong in my opinion. It's not worth standing up for yourself if you're going to get yourself and possibly many others killed.
I don't think some of you realize what the hell was going on here - they had tickets and they intended to harm her. One nutball threatened to kill her. If they had done anything, fans would have been injured in the process, especially those trying to stop whatever these extremists would be trying to do. It's not ****ing worth innocent lives. She can still spread her message, it's just unsafe for her to do so in person, both for her and for her fans. It's an important and big enough cause that makes it worth losing lives.
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I understand why she did it and I totally did not lose respect for her. However, I disagree that "It's not worth standing up for yourself if you're going to get yourself and possibly many others killed." Yes it is a HUGE risk, however lets say god forbid something had happened, whether she or a fan got injured or even killed, the impact that would have GLOBALLY would be on such a scale that it would totally be worth innocent lives. This sounds harsh and I understand its a radical view on my part, but in order to finally put down some of these oppressive groups throughout the globe, big actions have to be taken and this was a perfect opportunity to take it.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Lol I just can't at some of you saying you'll do X, Y and Z to defend your art if you were a celebrity like Lady Gaga. It's one thing to say something in the comfort of your seat but it's another to actually doing it when you're in the heat of the moment. Quite honestly, I bet some of y'all would break both of your heels and your weave will be a spot in the distance as you run out of wherever you're performing at when you overhear security guards trying to find the bomb that they've been tipped off about.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by helloDer
I understand why she did it and I totally did not lose respect for her. However, I disagree that "It's not worth standing up for yourself if you're going to get yourself and possibly many others killed." Yes it is a HUGE risk, however lets say god forbid something had happened, whether she or a fan got injured or even killed, the impact that would have GLOBALLY would be on such a scale that it would totally be worth innocent lives. This sounds harsh and I understand its a radical view on my part, but in order to finally put down some of these oppressive groups throughout the globe, big actions have to be taken and this was a perfect opportunity to take it.
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I'm sorry, but I don't necessarily believe anyone should have their life put in danger in the name of peace and equality; that defeats the purpose, in my opinion. You're allowing someone to die who may not have died had you taken a different course to achieve the same goal.
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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I just hope this wasn't her decision.
I would be disappointed...
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by helloDer
I understand why she did it and I totally did not lose respect for her. However, I disagree that "It's not worth standing up for yourself if you're going to get yourself and possibly many others killed." Yes it is a HUGE risk, however lets say god forbid something had happened, whether she or a fan got injured or even killed, the impact that would have GLOBALLY would be on such a scale that it would totally be worth innocent lives. This sounds harsh and I understand its a radical view on my part, but in order to finally put down some of these oppressive groups throughout the globe, big actions have to be taken and this was a perfect opportunity to take it.
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Many members of the gay community would hate the idea of Lady Gaga being their martyr, even more than they hate her being their pop culture representative.
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Member Since: 4/17/2012
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Originally posted by helloDer
I understand why she did it and I totally did not lose respect for her. However, I disagree that "It's not worth standing up for yourself if you're going to get yourself and possibly many others killed." Yes it is a HUGE risk, however lets say god forbid something had happened, whether she or a fan got injured or even killed, the impact that would have GLOBALLY would be on such a scale that it would totally be worth innocent lives. This sounds harsh and I understand its a radical view on my part, but in order to finally put down some of these oppressive groups throughout the globe, big actions have to be taken and this was a perfect opportunity to take it.
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If anything were to sadly happen, surely for many of these groups it would be a case of - 'oh look, that other terrorist group has taken down Lady Gaga, one of the biggest singers in the world right now, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!'.
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Member Since: 4/3/2011
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
I'm sorry, but I don't necessarily believe anyone should have their life put in danger in the name of peace and equality; that defeats the purpose, in my opinion. You're allowing someone to die who may not have died had you taken a different course to achieve the same goal.
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That's ********. Do you know how many people die to get gay people the right to kiss each others on the street TODAY ? Behind every right of equality there are always hundred of people who died. I dont believe that Gaga life worth more than all those people lives.
In 2009 i travelled to Uganda for a charity who helped gay people there. I've met people who were rapped to death, one man was burried behind his parents home in the night. I'm disappoint because when someone like Gaga sells herself as the Gay savior she should go with it even if it cost her life. Not here for semi-engagement.
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Member Since: 6/10/2009
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So what you dumb****s forget is that the show takes place in a stadium? Suicide bombers anyone? I'm sure a nose diving plane will only hit GaGa.
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Member Since: 6/14/2007
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Looks like people over there don't like her.
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Member Since: 9/26/2011
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Are there seriously people saying they've "lost respect" and are "disappointed" in Gaga and her team because of this? Gaga and the fans' lives are way more important than one concert.
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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Originally posted by MonsterMosama
I'm sorry if I'm frustrating you or something I'm not saying anything to try and get a reaction out of people- I was just raised muslim and this stuff bothers me when I hear that its interfering with freedom. The muslim countrys are the ones most in need of gaga's message and its just really depressing for me to hear that its being stopped by these religious extremists that everyones afraid of.
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If the government would have put it's weight behind the show and the police came out and said that terrorism would not stand and that they were fully ready to protect the public, the show would be going on. Instead the police force basically said that they don't want to deal with it and the government threw requirements back at the promoter and Gaga's team that would be basically impossible to meet. There was no indication at all that the police were going to do their job, and previous incidents in Indonesia lend credence to the theory that the police basically let the hardliners do what they want.
So yes, credible security risks with no support from the government or police. Not Gaga's job to fix the internal problems in Indonesia.
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Originally posted by MonsterMosama
The terrorists said their target was GAGA and no innocent fans would be harmed so that cannot be an excuse. I would LOVE to be one of the fans at that show to stand up for what is right. If anyone would have started some **** they would have got knocked out. Gagas fans aren't all completely defenseless. All the fans that go to the show would know what is at risk it is up to them to decide if they wanna showup or not.
And its not just about art. Its about RISKING EVERYTHING for what you believe in. Gaga's spreading a message of peace and equality that everyone needs to hear- she cannot back down. If she really believes in this she needs to be able to risk everything for it. Idk why that sounds stupid to you guys. It sounds honorable to me.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I guarantee you this was not Gaga's decision. There's no point in getting angry with her. I'm certain she cried and screamed and fought, but eventually someone higher-up pulled the plug. I mean, she was willing to perform the show without her dancers, if that's what it took.
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Member Since: 4/9/2012
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She's safe. That's all I care about.
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Member Since: 8/20/2011
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Originally posted by Twai
I understand where you're coming from, but I guarantee you this was not Gaga's decision. There's no point in getting angry with her. I'm certain she cried and screamed and fought, but eventually someone higher-up pulled the plug. I mean, she was willing to perform the show without her dancers, if that's what it took.
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Yea I think she did what she could I'm not upset with her anymore. I'm redirecting all of my frustration at the terrorists and protestors.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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She must feel so sad 
It was the right decision, I don't know why some people are complaining 
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Member Since: 5/31/2011
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Originally posted by emmanuel_punk
Looks like people over there don't like her.
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It's sad that a handful of religious extremists can spoil it for 52,000 fans with tickets. 
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Member Since: 5/31/2011
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Originally posted by MonsterMosama
Yea I think she did what she could I'm not upset with her anymore. I'm redirecting all of my frustration at the terrorists and protestors.
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They started this mess, that's where your frustration should have been directed in the first place. There's no need for misdirected anger at Gaga. She obviously wanted, more than anything, to perform in front of 50,000+ fans in a stadium.
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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What the ****? 
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Member Since: 3/15/2012
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Oh well, at least she's safe.
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