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Discussion: Janet vs Madonna, Beyonce vs Lady GaGa
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Originally posted by Satellites
Bye, we dont even know if Beyonce is truly in her prime yet. Beyonce already has more awards than Janet could ever dream of. Beyonce is already ahead of Janet on EVERY SINGLE All Time list there is for every publication that matters. And Crazy In Love is more critically acclaimed than any single song Janet has ever released.
Now tell me what's really good?
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Girl siddown, the VH1 list is not EVERY LIST and Beyonce's 13/16 Grammys don't mean she has more awards than Janet. You DON'T KNOW how many awards Janet has. Janet has her own "list of awards and accomplishments" page on Wikipedia (no I didn't make it), COULD BEY???
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Beyonce had just gone solo and her debut was barely more impressive/successful than Janet's AFY era. Plus Janet had just been asked to perform at the Super Bowl, she was hardly fighting to stay relevant.
But the hypothetical is that when Beyonce is in the position Janet was in--past her prime, but still going steady in her late 30s--and something like it were to happen to her, she would probably handle it the same way and receive similar backlash.
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No because Janet isn't half of what Beyonce is. Janet has not performed at the Oscar's 5 times, Janet has not performed for presidents on regular occasions. Janet is not looked at as being a classy role model. Beyonces breasts flashed in concert and it went on by like nothing because it was a mistake. Janet did that **** on purpose and everyone knows it.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Okay, what would be your Whitney top ten?
1) Million Dollar Bill
2) How Will I Know
3) It's Not Right (But It's OK)
4) You Give Good Love
5) I Wanna Run to You
6) All at Once
7) One Moment in Time
8) I Wanna Dance with Somebody
9) I Have Nothing
10) Love Will Save the Day
I am generally not here for anything else.
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Singles or just songs?
Well, I name just songs... no particular order:
1. I Have Nothing
2. You Give Good Love
3. I Love The Lord
4. I Learned From The Best
5. I'm Every Woman
6. I'm Your Baby Tonight
7. Same Script, Different Cast
8. Count on Me
9. Heartbreak Hotel
10. Exhale (Shoop Shoop)
And honestly, I have more. Whitney is not my number 1 favorite artist, but she is one of those legends that I respect a whole lot. But I do understand why some people look down on her catalog. I think it's the same reason they do Mariah and Celine that.
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Member Since: 2/9/2008
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Eli and Geez - i mean, Beyonce IS the popstar that is considered cool and, if I'm allowed, "essential" to like. Old, young, white, black, gay, straight, man, woman, pop, hip-hop, rock, indie - everybody likes her.
Janet has never had that appeal.
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I KNOW that. I'm not denying it. Grammys are not a measure of overall respect though. It's not true that Beyonce is on another level from where Janet was in the early '90s.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
That's true too. Beyonce has never made an album as good as Janet's best 4.
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The critics said you are a lie and the receipts are there to prove it. When did Janet ever do it?
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Member Since: 7/21/2010
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Let's be real Mainstream is only going to take one Main Black Girl at a time and that is BEYONCE, not saying the onlys won't be successful they just won't get what Beyonce is getting
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Originally posted by Satellites
Exactly, Lady Gaga comes out the ****ing blue and snatches 8 VMA's with her first album when Rihanna and Beyonce had to work their asses off to even be nominated for Video Of The Year. WHY??? Why does the media cover Rihanna every which way when she gets her ass beat but when shes doing well no one wants her? Why is Lady Gaga covering Rolling Stone twice in the USA when Rihanna hasn't even gotten one? The truth is the truth and it will be spilled on my time.
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But Sats, that's ignoring something - Gaga has tangible talent, which cannot be said for Rihanna. You know this, so i don't know why you've conveniently left it out??!?!?!
And, Rihanna still hasn't made a video as good as Bad Romance. That's a FACT. Umbrella is an iconic video for Rihanna, but it is not great. Bad Romance is. Bad Romance (and SL) are the best videos done by major pop stars in at least eight years.
If you're comparing Gaga to Beyonce, that's all fine and good - but don't compare an A-Lister to a B-Lister. That's like me comparing Britney to friggin Katy Perry - LESSORS get LESS because they ARE LESS.
As to why Rihanna hasn't gotten a RS cover yet: 2) racism, 1) no1curr.
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Member Since: 5/28/2010
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Originally posted by jcsfreebitch
Yes, I am serious. I am NOT denying that black people still do face discrimination even to this day, I am just saying overall I think the struggle for being treated equally is greater for gay people as it is to blacks.
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How though? I'm thinking about the similarities and differences. Their modern day struggles don't differ much in my eyes. Enlighten us and share some of the ideas that roam your brain.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Girl siddown, the VH1 list is not EVERY LIST and Beyonce's 13/16 Grammys don't mean she has more awards than Janet. You DON'T KNOW how many awards Janet has. Janet has her own "list of awards and accomplishments" page on Wikipedia (no I didn't make it), COULD BEY???
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Beyonce does have her own too.
As does P!nk, Britney, Avril Lavigne, Rihanna, etc.
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by Da beezness!
Is that gorl serious? Ch.......
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She's yapping about equal rights when we're halfway through 2010 and still have things like "The first blk man" or "The first blk woman" to do this and that popping up in articles and reports.
Bey has to work twice as hard just to earn HALF of the respect and praise her less talented white counterparts gain on a daily basis. Don't even get me started on how the media glorifies the nonsense these white celebrities are doing but still finds a way to negatively portray the black celebrities who aren't even known for being outrageous or a wild child.
Things have certainly gotten better, but 100% equal rights my ass.
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Member Since: 11/2/2009
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Girl siddown, the VH1 list is not EVERY LIST and Beyonce's 13/16 Grammys don't mean she has more awards than Janet. You DON'T KNOW how many awards Janet has. Janet has her own "list of awards and accomplishments" page on Wikipedia (no I didn't make it), COULD BEY???
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Most artists do.
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by Satellites
Exactly, Lady Gaga comes out the ****ing blue and snatches 8 VMA's with her first album when Rihanna and Beyonce had to work their asses off to even be nominated for Video Of The Year. WHY??? Why does the media cover Rihanna every which way when she gets her ass beat but when shes doing well no one wants her? Why is Lady Gaga covering Rolling Stone twice in the USA when Rihanna hasn't even gotten one? The truth is the truth and it will be spilled on my time.
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Gerl you did not use Rihanna as an example.
I agree somewhat, but unlike a lot of the white celebrities that get so much praise and success Gaga actually has the talent to back all of that up.
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Member Since: 7/21/2010
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I put it like this if Beyonce Next Era is HUGE like I feel it's going to be she could become the Most Awarded Female she's not that far behind Whitney
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Member Since: 2/9/2008
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Originally posted by Satellites
No because Janet isn't half of what Beyonce is.
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I would never report you, but you should watch what you type because that's a crock of ****.
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Janet has performed at the Oscar's 5 times, Janet has not performed for presidents on regular occasions. Janet is not looked at as being a classy role model. Beyonces breasts flashed in concert and it went on by like nothing because it was a mistake. Janet did that **** on purpose and everyone knows it.
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Times have changed. Beyonce is DOMINATING a ****** music industry. Janet was one of many amazing female superstars when she was at her peak. Beyonce has like 1 real competitor when it comes to that stuff--GaGa, a woman who is probably too wacko to perform for Presidents and such.
Janet had Whitney, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Shania, Alanis, Celine, etc. to compete with.
If she did it in purpose, she wouldn't have looked so shocked and then covered it up immediately afterward. Just saying. That wasn't acting. OBVIOUSLY Justin was supposed to rip something off, but not the whole thing.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Okay, what would be your Whitney top ten?
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Deal with these.
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Member Since: 5/28/2010
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Originally posted by QueenBeyoncé
Let's be real Mainstream is only going to take one Main Black Girl at a time and that is BEYONCE, not saying the onlys won't be successful they just won't get what Beyonce is getting
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Hmmm... I don't know if I necessarily agree with this statement. Rihanna, for example, is very mainstream.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
You do know that Janet has hundreds of accolades and awards. She is one of the most awarded artists EVER. Janet has made plenty of best of critical acclaim lists. Janet is more known for albums, not her singles. Sorta like Madonna.
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Janet doesn't have more awards than Beyonce, and Beyonce is only 3 albums in solo wise.
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Member Since: 2/9/2008
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Originally posted by Satellites
The critics said you are a lie and the receipts are there to prove it. When did Janet ever do it?
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That's false, has Beyonce made Rolling Stones' top 500 albums of all time list? Janet is there, twice--RN1814 and The Velvet Rope.
There's some other list like "250 Most Essential Albums of All-Time" or something that Janet has 2 on it too--janet. and Control--but I forgot which publication it was.
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Member Since: 7/21/2010
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Originally posted by Satellites
Janet doesn't have more awards than Beyonce, and Beyonce is only 3 albums in solo wise.
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Thank You
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Member Since: 11/2/2009
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
I would never report you, but you should watch what you type because that's a crock of ****.
Times have changed. Beyonce is DOMINATING a ****** music industry. Janet was one of many amazing female superstars when she was at her peak. Beyonce has like 1 real competitor when it comes to that stuff--GaGa, a woman who is probably too wacko to perform for Presidents and such.
Janet had Whitney, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Shania, Alanis, Celine, etc. to compete with.
If she did it in purpose, she wouldn't have looked so shocked and then covered it up immediately afterward. Just saying. That wasn't acting. OBVIOUSLY Justin was supposed to rip something off, but not the whole thing.
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Whitney was just that good.
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