|
News: "White guilt" video Stirs uproar and gets banned
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 15,128
|
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Mani.
This is what kills me. This is the exact reason white people do not need to preach to black people about the issues in the black race. How dare you imply that because some black people have had success, that all of our problems are self inflicting and america has nothing to do with it. WOW. There are literally white people with high school diplomas garnering more success than black people with college degrees and you say that?
Also, what the hell do you mean by self inflicting? Why do black people have self inflicting problems? Like, Kyle, what's the root of all of these damn problems black people have? WHITE PEOPLE. Even the fact that you can say "black people problems" should show you right there how ****ed up this country in itself is. It is not fair. It is not equal opportunity for everyone. People are still being shown favoritism because of their skin color.... and you being a white person will not understand the **** because your privilege speaks for you. If slavery didn't happen, this wouldn't be an issue. Blame your damn power hungry ass ancestors for this ********.
|
But once again like most of this thread you're missing my point. NOBODY is denying that the the reason African Americans live in ghettos and have many of these issues aren't the cause of white people. It most certainly is. But if all you want to do is hold up signs and scream at the "white power complex" obviously nothing is going to improve for black people across the country. The converse can be said to your claim. How dare YOU imply that basically no African American can be successful because of injustice that occurred decades ago. You and many others will literally ignore all the positives of the black community just to try and bring negativity in. A perfect example just occurred. Beyonce released what I thought was a good video celebrating aspects that are supposedly "negative" stereotypes of black people and of course the focus within the black community was on the negative and how her video affected white people rather than actually celebrating being African American. Regardless of the response by a few bigots this example just parallels the negativity that has pervaded the entire movement.
And what do I mean by self inflicted? Well lets see here. The dissolution of the black family currently is not the cause of white people. The fact that black youth are overwhelmingly involved and drawn in drug, gang and rap culture is not the fault of white people. And the utter silence when young black children are gunned down as a result of gang violence in Chicago and many other cities is not the fault of white people. During segregation, the black community had a THRIVING business and middle class brought upon by black business owners who worked towards family success and for their religion. This is been DESTROYED in part by liberal policies of the 1960's but black people DO have to take some responsiblility for this too its just the truth.
I don't understand why so many in the African American community believe that the only way to solve these issues is by yelling at white people to fix it. That happened for decades before leaders *cough MLK* decided that the if African Americans wanted change they should bring it themselves. There needs to be more of that in this movement if it ever wants to accomplish anything. And thats just the f***** truth whether you like it or not.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 15,128
|
Quote:
Originally posted by KyIe
But once again like most of this thread you're missing my point. NOBODY is denying that the the reason African Americans live in ghettos and have many of these issues aren't the cause of white people. It most certainly is. But if all you want to do is hold up signs and scream at the "white power complex" obviously nothing is going to improve for black people across the country. The converse can be said to your claim. How dare YOU imply that basically no African American can be successful because of injustice that occurred decades ago. You and many others will literally ignore all the positives of the black community just to try and bring negativity in. A perfect example just occurred. Beyonce released what I thought was a good video celebrating aspects that are supposedly "negative" stereotypes of black people and of course the focus within the black community was on the negative and how her video affected white people rather than actually celebrating being African American. Regardless of the response by a few bigots this example just parallels the negativity that has pervaded the entire movement.
And what do I mean by self inflicted? Well lets see here. The dissolution of the black family currently is not the cause of white people. The fact that black youth are overwhelmingly involved and drawn in drug, gang and rap culture is not the fault of white people. And the utter silence when young black children are gunned down as a result of gang violence in Chicago and many other cities is not the fault of white people. During segregation, the black community had a THRIVING business and middle class brought upon by black business owners who worked towards family success and for their religion. This is been DESTROYED in part by liberal policies of the 1960's but black people DO have to take some responsiblility for this too its just the truth.
I don't understand why so many in the African American community believe that the only way to solve these issues is by yelling at white people to fix it. That happened for decades before leaders *cough MLK* decided that the if African Americans wanted change they should bring it themselves. There needs to be more of that in this movement if it ever wants to accomplish anything. And thats just the f***** truth whether you like it or not.
|
Do you honestly think all black people are just sitting at home and screaming at the white man?
There's an entire Black Lives Matter movement going on right now. There are many black activists out there trying to raise awareness and change. Protests have been going on since the Michael Brown incident. If you would like to learn more and help out, you can visit here http://blacklivesmatter.com/ , unless you feel that this is something black people have to deal with themselves and you can't be bothered. That's basically what you're saying at the end of the day.
Any time minorities try to stand up for social chance though, you have a gaggle of white people who feel offended at the very idea. The whole Beyoncé Superbowl backlash is evident that many white people would rather keep the status quo rather than help the cause. (Your whole point about a small minority of blacks getting offended by the stereotypes in the video is moot.)Not to say that a lot of white people are being allies, but it's so ignorant to say that black people aren't helping themselves when there are black people fighting every day for something as simple as police reform, yet the government is dragging and kicking their feet and racist whites are over there screaming in there ears to shut up.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 16,870
|
#Pray4WhitePeople
May god bless you guys. Your struggle is recognized ![heart2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/a3fdf692.gif)
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Do you honestly think all black people are just sitting at home and screaming at the white man?
There's an entire Black Lives Matter movement going on right now. There are many black activists out there trying to raise awareness and change. Protests have been going on since the Michael Brown incident. If you would like to learn more and help out, you can visit here http://blacklivesmatter.com/ , unless you feel that this is something black people have to deal with themselves and you can't be bothered. That's basically what you're saying at the end of the day.
Any time minorities try to stand up for social chance though, you have a gaggle of white people who feel offended at the very idea. The whole Beyoncé Superbowl backlash is evident that many white people would rather keep the status quo rather than help the cause. (Your whole point about a small minority of blacks getting offended by the stereotypes in the video is moot.)Not to say that a lot of white people are being allies, but it's so ignorant to say that black people aren't helping themselves when there are black people fighting every day for something as simple as police reform, yet the government is dragging and kicking their feet and racist whites are over there screaming in there ears to shut up.
|
Not you quoting my entire post and then clearly failing to comprehend anything I just said given your response ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) I clearly said that the root of the issue is obviously from slavery and segregation but present day REAL issues can be solved if black people would take more initiative. You're entire response regarding BLM proves my point. That movement accomplishes nothing. Its raised "awareness" but what has changed? You clearly do not understand that the aforementioned issues I pointed out are much more pressing on the black community than police brutality. More black people died in one weekend alone in Chicago resulting from black on black crime than the total number of incidences regarding police brutality across the entire country. The BLM movement only exists as a politically charged farce that will get people angry and riled up so they'll go to the voting booth. If you cannot see this than you are lying to yourself. And when I say this I AM NOT talking about the people on the ground actually protesting. I am taking about the people running the show and gifting money. They don't care about actual change, they just want a paycheck and to get political favors(ex: Al Sharpton) Notice how its such a "movement" but there has been non existent improvement in any aspect(education, crime rates etc) after 2 years.
I also never made the assertion that all black people just sit around. I wrote an entire paragraph lamenting the accomplishments of African Americans and how they are IGNORED by the media in order to portray black people in a certain light. You also failed to understand my Beyonce example. Many in the black community on social media around the world was focused on how white people felt about her video and not how it promoted black people in a positive light which was a shame.
Lastly, when I say the black people need to take it upon themselves to fix certain issues they are issues NOT INVOLVING WHITE PEOPLE. I'm confused as to what you don't understand. Children being raised under single parent or a grandparent is one of the biggest plagues of the black community who's talking about it? Nobody. Dropping out of school before graduation destroys any chance of securing upward mobility and who talks about it? Nobody. These are issues black people can fix themselves like they did in the early 20th century. But when the focus on "social change" is so misplaced how the f*** is any progress going to be made. The only time race is brought up on this site is cultural appropriation or who can use the n-word. Yea THOSE issues are more important than education and upward mobility...
But if you still don't understand after all this then I don't know what to tell you.
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/12/2010
Posts: 9,704
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Black on black crime is a result of black people being left to rot in the slums by the government, therefore they had to fend for themselves to survive, which meant having to turn on each other. Do you even know what gentrification is? How minorities are being pushed out of their homes due to the cost being raised and having to move to lower quality areas while white people take over the neighborhoods?
Maybe do a little ****ing research if you want to know about the root of black on black crime. It all stems from minorities being pushed into the ghettoes and then the cities not doing anything to improve the quality of life.
Look at ****ING FLINT, MICHIGAN. A predominantly black city is being left with no drinkable water because their mayor wanted to save money instead of providing drinkable water for the citizens. And as of now there isn't even much action being taken by the government to fix the corroded water system.
|
White people really don't want to take any responsibility.
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/12/2010
Posts: 9,704
|
Quote:
Originally posted by KyIe
But once again like most of this thread you're missing my point. NOBODY is denying that the the reason African Americans live in ghettos and have many of these issues aren't the cause of white people. It most certainly is. But if all you want to do is hold up signs and scream at the "white power complex" obviously nothing is going to improve for black people across the country. The converse can be said to your claim. How dare YOU imply that basically no African American can be successful because of injustice that occurred decades ago. You and many others will literally ignore all the positives of the black community just to try and bring negativity in. A perfect example just occurred. Beyonce released what I thought was a good video celebrating aspects that are supposedly "negative" stereotypes of black people and of course the focus within the black community was on the negative and how her video affected white people rather than actually celebrating being African American. Regardless of the response by a few bigots this example just parallels the negativity that has pervaded the entire movement.
And what do I mean by self inflicted? Well lets see here. The dissolution of the black family currently is not the cause of white people. The fact that black youth are overwhelmingly involved and drawn in drug, gang and rap culture is not the fault of white people. And the utter silence when young black children are gunned down as a result of gang violence in Chicago and many other cities is not the fault of white people. During segregation, the black community had a THRIVING business and middle class brought upon by black business owners who worked towards family success and for their religion. This is been DESTROYED in part by liberal policies of the 1960's but black people DO have to take some responsiblility for this too its just the truth.
I don't understand why so many in the African American community believe that the only way to solve these issues is by yelling at white people to fix it. That happened for decades before leaders *cough MLK* decided that the if African Americans wanted change they should bring it themselves. There needs to be more of that in this movement if it ever wants to accomplish anything. And thats just the f***** truth whether you like it or not.
|
THEN WHO CAUSED IT?
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by ezra
Mess. White people are so embarrassing. Just except it already, your ancestors owned and sold slaves. Your ancestors enforced Jim Crow and fought the voting rights act and civil rights. Wake up.
|
Omg not this "you ancestors" line again. Hate to break it to you but my ancestors got to the US post 1900 and considering 75%+ of the white people living in the US today are descended from European immigrants who came over in the big migration wave from 1870-1920, THEY DIDN'T OWN SLAVES EITHER. And another great point, these immigrants were at THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIO ECONOMIC SPECTRUM so I do not really know how they enforced Jim Crow or fought against civil rights?? Their is always outrage when a minority is supposedly generalized but this type of sweeping generalization is okay?
It really is so misguided just to blame anybody with light colored skin of being the overt cause of any of these laws that are well over 130 years old. Everybody is aware that the US government has committed atrocities in the past. Asians, Jews, Blacks, Natives and many more have all been victims of them, so to sit here and just go off online claiming every white person has some personal role slavery and Jim Crow is just as ludicrous as it sounds.
|
|
|
Member Since: 7/12/2010
Posts: 9,704
|
Quote:
Originally posted by KyIe
Omg not this "you ancestors" line again. Hate to break it to you but my ancestors got to the US post 1900 and considering 75%+ of the white people living in the US today are descended from European immigrants who came over in the big migration wave from 1870-1920, THEY DIDN'T OWN SLAVES EITHER. And another great point, these immigrants were at THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIO ECONOMIC SPECTRUM so I do not really know how they enforced Jim Crow or fought against civil rights?? Their is always outrage when a minority is supposedly generalized but this type of sweeping generalization is okay?
It really is so misguided just to blame anybody with light colored skin of being the overt cause of any of these laws that are well over 130 years old. Everybody is aware that the US government has committed atrocities in the past. Asians, Jews, Blacks, Natives and many more have all been victims of them, so to sit here and just go off online claiming every white person has some personal role slavery and Jim Crow is just as ludicrous as it sounds.
|
Okay, so let the black people rise and thank your ****ed up ancestors for causing several genocides across this nation. Hey, let's ask the Native American what they think of your glorious ancestors and the beautiful american land their families walk on!
The fact that you are sitting up here acting as if someone should give you accolades is..... White superiority at its finest.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 9,449
|
Quote:
Originally posted by KyIe
Omg not this "you ancestors" line again. Hate to break it to you but my ancestors got to the US post 1900 and considering 75%+ of the white people living in the US today are descended from European immigrants who came over in the big migration wave from 1870-1920, THEY DIDN'T OWN SLAVES EITHER. And another great point, these immigrants were at THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIO ECONOMIC SPECTRUM so I do not really know how they enforced Jim Crow or fought against civil rights?? Their is always outrage when a minority is supposedly generalized but this type of sweeping generalization is okay?
It really is so misguided just to blame anybody with light colored skin of being the overt cause of any of these laws that are well over 130 years old. Everybody is aware that the US government has committed atrocities in the past. Asians, Jews, Blacks, Natives and many more have all been victims of them, so to sit here and just go off online claiming every white person has some personal role slavery and Jim Crow is just as ludicrous as it sounds.
|
I never understood why people blame others for what their ancestor's might have done
It makes zero sense... unless you personally enslaved people, why is it your fault if your ancestors did.
I'm not saying the slavery wasn't an awful awful thing, but I don't know why people blame someone for what their ancestors might have done ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Mani.
THEN WHO CAUSED IT?
|
Love how after all I wrote you still ignore actually fixing the issues and only focused on who's at blame.
Did you miss the world currently? CURRENTLY. And if you must know, the sweeping liberal policies of the 1960's caused it. We're in 2016, yes black people have gotten SCREWED over in the past but I don't understand how ya'll keep missing my point... The past isn't gonna change it already happened so just going around playing blame game doesn't solve s***. You know what solves the problem? Overcoming adversity. You can sit her and complain about how white people caused it and this and that OR there could be REAL movements where they go in and change this poisonous mindset existing right now. Obama alone could EASILY become the biggest advocate for minorities completing education along with any other successful minority. And many do this exact thing but unless there is a united front progress cannot occur.
So yes once again we have established that white people caused this. But whats stopping black people TODAY from helping end some of these cycles? I really don't know how else you think these issues will be solved, the only thing white people have ever been able to do is throw money at a problem and hope it goes away.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
|
Kyle I think you're UNDERESTIMATING the rate at which blacks have turned their lives around SINCE MLK was assassinated. Between then and now:
1. Blacks were relegated to ghettos by discriminatory banking and housing practices (remember young white males benefited from The Great Society programs)
2. Drugs were introduced into the communities and functioned as a means of producing income
3. Incarceration went up (a significant contributor to the dissolution of black family) due to racially charged policies
4. Black families were affected and young black men grew up without guidance, money, or a means of attaining education
And despite all that the community is still pumping on.
Movements like BlackLivesMatter are a recognition of the ceilings that hinder black progress. It's black who are trying to do better for themselves, realizing that they're still targeted. It's an attempt to remove an obstacle to black prosperity.
But blacks are STILL pumping forward! Don't get it twisted.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Mani.
Okay, so let the black people rise and thank your ****ed up ancestors for causing several genocides across this nation. Hey, let's ask the Native American what they think of your glorious ancestors and the beautiful american land their families walk on!
The fact that you are sitting up here acting as if someone should give you accolades is..... White superiority at its finest.
|
This makes absolutely ZERO sense considering I just said that MY ancestors and most of present America immigrated after 1900. WHAT GENOCIDE OCCURRED IN 20TH CENTURY AMERICA? The only remotely classifiable genocide would be the Native Americans of the 1500's. So if you need a little history lesson I would be happy to educate you. My "f***** up ancestors" were living on farms in Europe during most of American history so I don't really know how they caused "several genocides" across the United States thousands of miles away.
Who's trying to get accolades? I was saying blame doesn't fall on all white people. And it doesn't. If you think it does than your ignorant and bigoted.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
|
Like this isn't 100 years after the fact, this is less than 50 years from all these monumental changes happening.
This is one generation of African American's attempting to lay down a foundation for the future given the mostly ineffective tools they're given and the unrelenting obstacles they have to overcome. I don't doubt that in the future things will have changed, but the people need TIME. To education, identify and fix the issues.
Making sweeping generalization of what BlackLivesMatter isn't accomplishing in 2 years only detracts from the conversation. This only feeds into the stereotype of black folk not doing anything for themselves because they aren't going from rags to riches in the span of 50 years. Remember, it took 8+ years for MLK to gain the traction that he did.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 15,128
|
woo Lord, Kyle sweetie, I could dissect each one of your post sentence by sentence to tell you why you're both wrong and why you're dead wrong, but I really don't have the time when I have to finish this damn school work so let's just agree to disagree for times sake.
All I'll say is, white people need to stop feeling attacked and like all black people hate them are shifting their problems onto them. That's never been the case. Black people are doing everything they can to help themselves, but as a minority group, they need the majority group (white) to help them fight in the cause and be understanding to their plight. It's a numbers game. Change can't be made if we don't have the vocal majority calling for it. So instead of complaining about black people pointing out the flaws in white mentality, how about you suck it the **** up and just try to help. Prove them wrong. Prove to them that you care about their rights and wellbeing of they are saying otherwise. Unless that's not your thing, then go about your business in your bubble of obliviousness.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine.
Kyle I think you're UNDERESTIMATING the rate at which blacks have turned their lives around SINCE MLK was assassinated. Between then and now:
1. Blacks were relegated to ghettos by discriminatory banking and housing practices (remember young white males benefited from The Great Society programs)
2. Drugs were introduced into the communities and functioned as a means of producing income
3. Incarceration went up (a significant contributor to the dissolution of black family) due to racially charged policies
4. Black families were affected and young black men grew up without guidance, money, or a means of attaining education
And despite all that the community is still pumping on.
Movements like BlackLivesMatter are a recognition of the ceilings that hinder black progress. It's black who are trying to do better for themselves, realizing that they're still targeted. It's an attempt to remove an obstacle to black prosperity.
But blacks are STILL pumping forward! Don't get it twisted.
|
I completely agree that they're still pumping forward. I didn't make it out to seem like they're all helpless because I know they're not. Yes I'm aware that all these things happened to get to the present but my point still remains true. Drugs are still prevalent today because of what you mentioned but who is forcing these people to take them? And I understand that its because of a lack of guidance but where is that guidance going to come from when your satisfied with the present status quo? If kids were not involved with crime and drugs then they wouldn't be incarcerated and would have much lower chance of even interacting with police in the first place. (obviously there are still instances of profiling and wrongful incarceration but my main point is that much of this could be avoided) I mentioned before white people can't solve this problem. They tried to in the 60's after the Civil rights movement and miserably failed and leading to what we have today.
And yes I know that most within the BLM movement believe the things you mentioned but the issue is that the people running these movements are literally fooling an entire population. They don't actually care about change, its about money and politics which is just very sad.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 19,718
|
Quote:
Originally posted by KyIe
I completely agree that they're still pumping forward. I didn't make it out to seem like they're all helpless because I know they're not. Yes I'm aware that all these things happened to get to the present but my point still remains true. Drugs are still prevalent today because of what you mentioned but who is forcing these people to take them? And I understand that its because of a lack of guidance but where is that guidance going to come from when your satisfied with the present status quo? If kids were not involved with crime and drugs then they wouldn't be incarcerated and would have much lower chance of even interacting with police in the first place. (obviously there are still instances of profiling and wrongful incarceration but my main point is that much of this could be avoided) I mentioned before white people can't solve this problem. They tried to in the 60's after the Civil rights movement and miserably failed and leading to what we have today.
And yes I know that most within the BLM movement believe the things you mentioned but the issue is that the people running these movements are literally fooling an entire population. They don't actually care about change, its about money and politics which is just very sad.
|
See I think you misinterpret a lot of the messages relayed in the anguish of black folks.
In the simplest way I can put it, it's an appeal to the "white" community not to SOLVE those problems, but to recognize how problematic they are to black life. And, in turn, to be a part of the solution rather than resist necessary changes (like many did in the Civil Rights Movement). Asking for accountability from police institutions is apparently cause for so much commotion? Why?
The white/asian/hispanic people who are onboard, are the ones who don't fall for buzz words. They recognize that "black-on-black crime" = "American-on-American crime". Believe it's a US issue, not a black people issue. And see that for every 1 black person that has killed someone there are 100s others who have never touched a gun. These are the ones appealing for change.
And if you dig deep enough, everything is about money and politics. The best way to judge is not by intent, but by result.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Roman Holiday
woo Lord, Kyle sweetie, I could dissect each one of your post sentence by sentence to tell you why you're both wrong and why you're dead wrong, but I really don't have the time when I have to finish this damn school work so let's just agree to disagree for times sake.
All I'll say is, white people need to stop feeling attacked and like all black people hate them are shifting their problems onto them. That's never been the case. Black people are doing everything they can to help themselves, but as a minority group, they need the majority group (white) to help them fight in the cause and be understanding to their plight. It's a numbers game. Change can't be made if we don't have the vocal majority calling for it. So instead of complaining about black people pointing out the flaws in white mentality, how about you suck it the **** up and just try to help. Prove them wrong. Prove to them that you care about their rights and wellbeing of they are saying otherwise. Unless that's not your thing, then go about your business in your bubble of obliviousness.
|
Sweetie, I really know most of you are just trying to do whats right but none of you see that it's a misguided effort. And I'm not complaining about black people's view of white people either? I keep trying to explain to the 20th time that the biggest issues TODAY as to why black people have it they away they do are ignored in favor of issues that are more politically favorable. I'm not trying to shift blame, I"m not getting offended, I'm trying to solve the f***** problem since it won't get solved when people on both sides are blind to the real issues. Obviously my posts have attempted to show that I actually care about all people achieving equality.
And for the record I do volunteer frequently to tutor the underprivileged and visit day care centers as well as donate a lot of old clothing, textbooks and sports equipment to schools in my general area. I'm doing everything in my power to help those who have it worse off than I do and I don't know if most people on here could even say the same considering their version of "help" is complaining on twitter.
|
|
|
Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 3,371
|
Quote:
Originally posted by KyIe
Not you quoting my entire post and then clearly failing to comprehend anything I just said given your response ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif) I clearly said that the root of the issue is obviously from slavery and segregation but present day REAL issues can be solved if black people would take more initiative. You're entire response regarding BLM proves my point. That movement accomplishes nothing. Its raised "awareness" but what has changed? You clearly do not understand that the aforementioned issues I pointed out are much more pressing on the black community than police brutality. More black people died in one weekend alone in Chicago resulting from black on black crime than the total number of incidences regarding police brutality across the entire country. The BLM movement only exists as a politically charged farce that will get people angry and riled up so they'll go to the voting booth. If you cannot see this than you are lying to yourself. And when I say this I AM NOT talking about the people on the ground actually protesting. I am taking about the people running the show and gifting money. They don't care about actual change, they just want a paycheck and to get political favors(ex: Al Sharpton) Notice how its such a "movement" but there has been non existent improvement in any aspect(education, crime rates etc) after 2 years.
I also never made the assertion that all black people just sit around. I wrote an entire paragraph lamenting the accomplishments of African Americans and how they are IGNORED by the media in order to portray black people in a certain light. You also failed to understand my Beyonce example. Many in the black community on social media around the world was focused on how white people felt about her video and not how it promoted black people in a positive light which was a shame.
Lastly, when I say the black people need to take it upon themselves to fix certain issues they are issues NOT INVOLVING WHITE PEOPLE. I'm confused as to what you don't understand. Children being raised under single parent or a grandparent is one of the biggest plagues of the black community who's talking about it? Nobody. Dropping out of school before graduation destroys any chance of securing upward mobility and who talks about it? Nobody. These are issues black people can fix themselves like they did in the early 20th century. But when the focus on "social change" is so misplaced how the f*** is any progress going to be made. The only time race is brought up on this site is cultural appropriation or who can use the n-word. Yea THOSE issues are more important than education and upward mobility...
But if you still don't understand after all this then I don't know what to tell you.
|
Thank you for being the voice of reason. I've said stuff like this to many different types of people in the past and they've all agreed. I've been desperately wanting black celebrities to address of the socioeconomic status of the average black person, promote hard work and the amount of black on black crime.
|
|
|
Member Since: 8/19/2013
Posts: 1,473
|
Quote:
Originally posted by Sunshine.
See I think you misinterpret a lot of the messages relayed in the anguish of black folks.
In the simplest way I can put it, it's an appeal to the "white" community not to SOLVE those problems, but to recognize how problematic they are to black life. And, in turn, to be a part of the solution rather than resist necessary changes (like many did in the Civil Rights Movement). Asking for accountability from police institutions is apparently cause for so much commotion? Why?
The white/asian/hispanic people who are onboard, are the ones who don't fall for buzz words. They recognize that "black-on-black crime" = "American-on-American crime". Believe it's a US issue, not a black people issue. And see that for every 1 black person that has killed someone there are 100s others who have never touched a gun. These are the ones appealing for change.
And if you dig deep enough, everything is about money and politics. The best way to judge is not by intent, but by result.
|
I think that most of America does recognize issues the are obstacles to black people when they are actually presented and true. The entire debate among police institutions is that the issue was overblown and politicized and presented with a false narrative to make the actual numbers seem more disproportional than what they are. The fact is that police brutality is not the main obstacle against black prosperity so why is it the only one talked about.
And my point about black on black violence wasn't to imply that black people commit violence more often its that they are victims of it more often. People who are INNOCENT are being killed by criminals on the daily and its disgusting. But as you can see in Baltimore and Chicago, police presence in some of these areas went down substantially and thus crime went up.
It is my view that what is going on now is counterintuitive, not misplaced. I think that is our discord here. I understand that there needs to be recognition but why not a partial focus on that and a partial focus on the other issues I previously mentioned. So when those people you mentioned try to get change, how can it be impactful when the focus is in the wrong place?
|
|
|
|
|