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News: First euthanasia performed in Canada today
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Jan
This argument doesn't speak to me in any way. Euthanasia is plain murder, which is far from being humane or a "better option" in any way. Humans are equal and, in my opinion, don't have a choice when they end their lives. That is something unarguable to me, as abolishing this thesis leads to, in my opinion, tragic consequences.
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but Euthanasia can very well be a humane option. you rather the victim suffer painfully for years?and in some cases burden their family and friends financially ( esp if there is no cure) and emotionally ( by letting them see the victim in a never ending pain). This can go on for years and drag the friends,family and victim into depression.
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humane
having or showing compassion or benevolence
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so yes euthanasia can be very humane and stop suffering for the victim,friends and family.
secondly, we dont choose to be birthed into this world but we can of course choose in the way we end our lives. That is freedom, and that is liberty. We should be able to have full control over our lives (putting laws and social constructs aside for a min) , and if a illness is crippling us and controlling us that much then we should be able to take back that control, we are sentient beings after all - not trees or plants that have no choice if they are suffering and thus have to endure the pain.
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Member Since: 5/7/2011
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Good, it's disgustingly unethical to force people to live in pain and suffering for the rest of their life when we have the technology to help them die peacefully if they so desire.
I know I'll be on the first plane to Switzerland if my brain or body ever decayed to such a degree that I could no longer live a normal life. I ain't gonna be living in a nursing home unable to feed or clean myself, unable to remember my families names or faces. Screw your miracle cure, people are living too long anyway but good for the person who gets that illness after me I guess. Not like I'm going to have regrets at that point.
Someone brought up terminally ill kids earlier on, which is an interesting point. They're probably too young to make the decision themselves, but it seems wrong to let parents decide. An age limit could work, but it's horrible to let a kid die in pain.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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there's always that one person
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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I can't believe its the first one ever over there
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Great decision, Canada. Euthanasia is way more humane than forcing someone to suffer until they die.
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Member Since: 8/10/2012
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Whoever says something against euthanasia: go to the nearest neurology clinic and find a patient with some neurodegenerative disease who has been lying helpless on that bed for a year, not being able to talk or swallow so tubes are going in and out of him and everybody knows he'll be there for 2 years in this state with his mind being absolutely clear and aware of his physical state. Just try to look in his eyes and you'll change your mind immediately. It's just heartbreaking.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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I don't why it's taking so long to be legalized everywhere like. I get that there are specifics sometimes but euthanasia should be something everyone has the right to.
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Member Since: 12/27/2008
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Originally posted by Jan
I'm against euthanasia. That's just not ethical, sorry.
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42 years in vegetative state: Aruna Shanbaug and euthanasia debate
'Everything bad that could happen, happened to this one, five foot nothing, lovely girl': Heartbreaking scandal of the Indian nurse who died 42 years after rapist put her in a coma by strangling her with dog chain. Aruna Shanbaug died aged 67 on Monday four decades after attack. She was sodomised and strangled with a dog chain by Sohanlal Bhartha Walmiki, then 25, in November 1973 at KEM hospital in Mumbai. Journalist Pinki Virani fought to get euthanasia legalised in India so Aruna could die and says she is 'relieved' now 'all the evil' is over for her.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...strangled.html
can you imagine the pain you have to endure seeing one of your relatives in a vegetative state for freakin decades? for 42 years, she was in pain and agony. it is selfish to keep people alive when they are in a situation or condition worse than death.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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I don't get that user's argument against this. Like in your view, you really think someone who is in so much pain and suffering be kept alive because you believe in a chance of a miracle(ignoring that miracles are rare occurrences or they wouldn't be miracles, meaning if one person got miraculously cured, what about others?) and some weird principle on the "importance" of life
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Member Since: 1/13/2012
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I still don't understand how anyone can be 'against' this. It's the suffering patient's choice to make, not yours.
Should be legal everywhere.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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In the case of a terminal illness and that the victim is suffering, I guess euthanasia is the humane thing to do.
But idk, I'm still pretty torn/uneducated about the subject. Cuz it basically says that you have 100% rights over your own life, so doesn't that sort of justifies people who take their own lives too?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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That person arguing against it not even knowing that murderng =/= killing.
This is great! I hope Germany introduces this also in the future.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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I'm sorry, but I cannot get behind people being put down like dogs, no matter what the justification. And that's just as a matter of principle.
From a practical point of view, this is going to wreak so much havoc within the medical system. It's such a touchy subject, families are going to be sensitive and lawsuits are going to start flying from all directions if there's even the slightest trace of ambiguity in a situation. .
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Member Since: 4/6/2011
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Originally posted by Jan
The universal principle of human life over everything abolished would lead to euginics. So choosing who is more worth of living and who is not. If we can kill ourselves when we're terminally ill, then why can't we kill people with genetic illnesses which prevent them from normal life? Why would we let people with Down's syndrome live if most of them are never going to complete their education and won't live for more than 30 years?
Everyone is entitled to live their lives until they die because of natural causes. And that is non-negotiable.
Actual human empathy and compassion is what I believe in not you. I find the idea that allowing someone to murder themselves in the name of "empathy and compassion" absolutely outrageous and ridiculous. Empathy and compassion to me is doing everything to make them recover, no matter how much would it cost even if the chance that it will work is marginal. It's worth it if the chance is anything above 0% and that actually applies to every case, given there is always a chance of miracle.
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You are the definition of bull s h i t. Please don't ever convey your thoughts to anyone.
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Member Since: 9/1/2012
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Great step forward
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Member Since: 1/7/2014
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Thats good news.. death with dignity
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Member Since: 11/24/2006
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Originally posted by Jan
No, I'd rather the doctors keep on trying literally everything to cure the patient, including placebo methods. Miracles in medicine are known to happen. Human life is something which can't be valued in any way. Euthanasia is wrong and death isn't a solution to anything.
I'm not going to tolerate murder.
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I agree.
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Jan
I'm against euthanasia. That's just not ethical, sorry.
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Member Since: 11/24/2006
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Originally posted by Jan
This argument doesn't speak to me in any way. Euthanasia is plain murder, which is far from being humane or a "better option" in any way. Humans are equal and, in my opinion, don't have a choice when they end their lives. That is something unarguable to me, as abolishing this thesis leads to, in my opinion, tragic consequences.
Suffering can be ceased with medicines but doctors should fight for the life of the patient in every way they can.
Just because I have a different opinion to you, it doesn't mean that I can't be confident about it. And you know what I would do if someone close to me were in such a situation? I would scratch my eyes out to do everything to cure them.
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Exactly; there's always a chance. Hope. Faith.
Jan your posts in this thread
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Retro
Ethics as a branch of thought isn't about how we as individuals feel about these things. It's about other people, society as a whole, deeper understanding.
There is legitimate evidence of pain and suffering that cannot be alleviated in any other medical way. It can reduce costs, financially and emotionally, to family and friends. It can be used in cases in which a person's entire existing life will be led in constant suffering and will not be a benefit to them in any case.
I'm not saying it's always right. But it's not always wrong, and the only people who should be involved in the decision are the person who wishes to use physician assisted methods to die peacefully and anyone they wish to include in their decision.
I guarantee that virtually nobody in this thread has asked for legal, physician-assisted euthanasia, though several people here may have had family in that situation and they are entitled more to an opinion than myself or anyone else who has no real-world experience with this. I don't believe that anyone should ever be judged if they and their physician determine this is the best course of action. It's not my place to judge them, nor anyone else's.
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I'm with this train of thought.
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