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Discussion: Why people here say R&B is "local"?
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Originally posted by DaLYCD
"Three of the ten most succesful females ever are predominantly R&B: Whitney, Mariah and Janet"
Stop with this blatant lie, Whitney didn't even touch R&B for the first decade of her career and not fully untill My Love Your is Love album.
Mariah didn't really do it until Butterfly which is the reason her album sales started to decline.
And no success R&B act worldwide has happened this decade sans The Weeknd but he sold out to do that.
LMAO no he wasn't. ssssssssssssstooooooop. There's only hints of R&B in his Dangerous and Hisstory album, but the rest off the discography is as pop as it gets.
People need to stop categorizing African Americans as R&B just because of what they look like.
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All this. People would NEVER say Thriller or Whitney debut album are R&B if these weren't released by black artists.
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Whitney, Mariah & Janet were R&Bfor most of their careers and that really isn't debatable 
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Originally posted by MothtoaFlame
All this. People would NEVER say Thriller or Whitney debut album are R&B if these weren't released by black artists.
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Thriller, produced primarily by R&B producer Quincy Jones:
The Lady in My Life
P.Y.T
Human Nature
Billie Jean
Baby Be Mine
Wanna Be Startin Somethin
All these R&B songs beg to differ.
Whitney Houston, primarily produced by R&B producers KASHIF, Michael William Masser, and Narada Michael Walden:
Literally every song on the album except for "How Will I Know" is R&B
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It could be Teena Marie, George Michael, KC & The Sunshine Band, and it would definitely still be considered R&B.
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I always find this thought to be a little humorous considering that a portion of R+B acts I like are from the UK.
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R & b isnt hugely promoted worldwide like pop music is.
But its hilarious how atrl tries to bash r & b, yet their generic pop faves borrow from r & b artists all of the time and then have the nerve to think they're doing something innovative. A damn mess.
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Originally posted by Lasers
R & b isnt hugely promoted worldwide like pop music is.
But its hilarious how atrl tries to bash r & b, yet their generic pop faves borrow from r & b artists all of the time and then have the nerve to think they're doing something innovative. A damn mess.
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ATRL loves ******** on the R&B genre.
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Originally posted by MothtoaFlame
All this. People would NEVER say Thriller or Whitney debut album are R&B if these weren't released by black artists.
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Thriller is pop.
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Well it is. All those artists are only big in the US only place they use R&B.
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Originally posted by Theus
Obviously not applied to late 00's/this decade. I don't get it. Three of the ten most succesful females ever are predominantly R&B: Whitney, Mariah and Janet, also, there is tons of other artists that made it huge outside of North America as well with singles, albums or both of them in addition to the the first three mentioned:
R. Kelly
Alicia Keys
Toni Braxton
TLC
Brandy
Beyoncé
Destiny Child
Usher
Kelis
Mary J. Blige
etc
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SIS... please have a seat so i can teach u a little lesson  ... there is only one on that list that is smashing to this day... 1/10 isnt really worldwide papi
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Originally posted by Lautner_90
SIS... please have a seat so i can teach u a little lesson ... there is only one on that list that is smashing to this day... 1/10 isnt really worldwide papi |
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Obviously not applied to late 00's/this decade
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God, what is the problem of reading the ****ing OP for once?
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Lol the three stars you named were pop girls lol
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Originally posted by EASE
Thriller is pop.
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Thriller is every genre. Pop, R&B, rock, etc.
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Originally posted by Hi_im_new
Basically, according to a lot of the non U.S atrlers (mainly ones from Europe), if you're not huge in whatever flopped, irrelevant European country they're from, then you're local.
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agreed with this but also because aside from those artists in the OP, the genre wasn't booming overseas like it was in the states and with it becoming less and less popular each year, it gets worse. Bey is like the last current international connection to R&B worldwide on a mass scale. It's crazy to think about
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I have been listening to Janet a bit lately, and while i agree she isn't 100% pop, I think she mostly is tbh, and the stuff that isn't pop I wouldn't label rnb, her latest albums are the most rnb she has gotten
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To answer the question (and not the OP, because, yeah…) R&B is seen as "local" because the genre itself is fully-developed in the country it originated from, yet doesn't have a multi-culturally accepted pop star to catalyze it as a global genre, despite it already being a global genre, and also doesn't utilize the key components of a popular song to make it global. Most genres from the country it originated from don't spike any higher than it's peak in the home country: you don't see anybody going cuckoo over garage music or reggae anymore like you would with fusions of the styles. What you'll see constantly are pop, rock, country, etc. artists using a mix of soul and R&B elements in their music style; generally, this is never frowned upon because there really isn't such a thing as bad R&B music if it's done correctly, thus you get a more "well-rounded" and "more appreciated" superstar. Most R&B music uses musicality that trumps nearly any popular genre's musicality, but it's not simple enough to be accepted worldwide since melody, the most important part of a popular song, isn't the first element inputted into the R&B style. Since the rise of EDM being the sought-after genre this decade, no one's really looking for lyrical strength and groove; what the people want is a melody they can repeat to their friends so they can repeat it to their friends and so on and so on.
Until R&B artists learn to appropriate pop, rock, and EDM styles into their own, you're not going to see many global R&B songs anytime soon…
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Originally posted by Behava
Thriller, produced primarily by R&B producer Quincy Jones:
The Lady in My Life
P.Y.T
Human Nature
Billie Jean
Baby Be Mine
Wanna Be Startin Somethin
All these R&B songs beg to differ.
Whitney Houston, primarily produced by R&B producers KASHIF, Michael William Masser, and Narada Michael Walden:
Literally every song on the album except for "How Will I Know" is R&B
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It could be Teena Marie, George Michael, KC & The Sunshine Band, and it would definitely still be considered R&B.
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Educate! 
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Originally posted by Lasers
R & b isnt hugely promoted worldwide like pop music is.
But its hilarious how atrl tries to bash r & b, yet their generic pop faves borrow from r & b artists all of the time and then have the nerve to think they're doing something innovative. A damn mess.
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Right! Urban music is so influential and transcendent in the way it touches the GLOBE yet "other" groups would rather feed themselves delusions than acknowledge that simple fact.
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Originally posted by Britney Is Fierce
As far as I'm concerned, this is a public discussion forum and anyone can quote any post. I'm not saying you're completely wrong because it's true that many ATRLers shade black artists without proper arguments, but it's true that R&B's popularity is concentrated in the US and other continents tend to prefer pop or dance music over it. I'm not even trying to shade or fight, it's just that the "ATRL despises black artists" argument is kinda irrelevant here because the "local R&B" thing is not that inaccurate, although to be fair I'd use a different term because it's obviously not completely restricted to the US, it's just preferred by people from that country.
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Lol, I know R&B is mainly popular in the US, but just because I said one issue (with ATRL), doesn't mean I'm saying it's the only issue. 3 of the top best selling female artists' songs in the UK, are artists, adapted from the R&B genre (Bey, Mariah, Whitney). Type as many paragraphs as you want, ATRL discredits black artists for being only 'iconic to the urban community'. It's full blank racism. God forbid a black artist being iconic globally.
And PS: anyone can @ me, but don't be discrediting my opinion on 'oh the race card' nonsense, because this forum gets more angry at 'the race card'/SJWs than racism itself, hence why I did not want you to quote me in the first place.
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