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Music News: The BIGGEST FLOPS of 2010 (so far)
Member Since: 2/16/2010
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Originally posted by Captain Planet;
Usher could have made this list. Good thing he turned it around before the real fail even started. Kudos to him!
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He was never gonna make the list to begin with. None of these ten albums have even sold 200K, RvR sold more than 300K in its first week alone.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
He was never gonna make the list to begin with. None of these ten albums have even sold 200K, RvR sold more than 300K in its first week alone.
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I'm talking about the very beginning of his era, not his first week. Many expected him to flop, but he proved them wrong. Yes, I'm aware he had an R&B hit with "Papers," but his era wasn't looking too great in the very beginning.
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Member Since: 5/10/2010
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Originally posted by ihearttoronto
i don't see how being #3 on billboard is a flop.
poor Kelis. her album isn't THAT bad
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I would of expected people to know this by now, we all know you can reach top positions really fast, the real test is how long you stay on top. How fast are these albums that hit #3 fall down?
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Does Janelle actually count? I don't think anyone was expecting her to pull in big numbers since the general public is unaware of her after all.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Rhythm
i actually thought it was obvious. The musical style of the current prevailing tunes are entirely too bland, with several songs even 'linked in chains' due to recycling ("California Gurls, "TiK ToK"). This is what the masses prefer, and a lot of artists have taken notice. Hip-hop and rap artists now thrive on rhythmic dance and electro-beats; some even taking to rock. R&B artists that once dominated during the time it reigned now flop horrendously.
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I thought you were talking about albums.
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Member Since: 11/10/2009
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Originally posted by HeyMrDj
Album sales have obviously collapsed due to illegal downloading.
But the public will respond if presented with material they like.
How else do you explain smash sales from the likes of Eminem, Taylor Swift, Lady GaGa, Lady Antebellum, the BEPs, etc.
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Country music fans buy music and Eminem's fanbase buys his music.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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It depends on the demographic you're aiming at or what type of music you make.
Travie McCoy, Jason DeRulo and Taio Cruz make similar music, and I think their sales are a reflection of that. Rhythmic-pop stars don't usually sell for whatever reason.
Country artists and Rock stars tend to sell well or consistently.
Contemporary R&B doesn't sell well unless you're a crossover R&B star - Beyonce, Usher, Alicia Keys
Pop/Dance is always a hit or miss.
Hip Hop artists tend to have stronger opening sales and okay follow-up sales.
Veteran R&B artists sell consistently - Sade, Maxwell, Whitney Houston
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Member Since: 5/18/2009
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Originally posted by SUPERN0VA_
Yes Janelle's album is AMAZING! The fine print on the first post says an album's presence on this list does not mean it's bad. I agree with what you're saying, but at the same time look at Kelis.....I mean 7,000 copies?
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Yes it's terrible but I think they werent expecting big numbers consideng they dont promote her at all! I dont understand some artists' strategy, they don't create any hype, dont perform on TV or are just not seen and also radios are not helping either, I dont hear Kelis or Janelle on the radio sad thing. Also those two dont follow the trend, their artistry is different and some people arent feeling them for that. I think both have amazing chances to win Grammys, I can see Kelis with Dance album of the year and Janelle with two grammys, electronica and album of the year. Hoping the Grammys consider quality over sales Christina should be number one flop though.
Kelly Rowland, Ciara (I so hope not, she is my girl), Keri Hilson, I wish them the best, thay have great chances to be flops as well.
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Member Since: 1/5/2007
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^^AGREE...honestly flop is such an overrated term now, being thrown around by people who really know nothing about the music business..with the way the recording industry is now and and all the illegal downloading, it's SO much harder to have a hit album than it was 5 or even 10 years ago..so just because your album doesn't sell well doesn't mean it's a flop or that you aren't successful. Especially when you consider how LITTLE artists actually make off record sales, especially new artists who sign into horrible contracts just to get put on a big label.
I mean Flo Rida is the perfect example of this - he's had two #1 hits, two other top 10 hits, four total singles go platinum (two multi-platinum)..this guy has become a multi millionaire based simply off of releasing singles and touring..you think he gives a **** if his album "flops"??? (which i think compared to the success of his singles, you could argue his albums have somewhat "flopped")
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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If album sales don't matter, then why even release albums? These labels expect to make some kind of profit from album sales.
I don't even understand why these labels waste their time on artists like Jason DeRulo, Taio Cruz, Travie McCoy. Just let them release singles every four months to radio and iTunes or put together a 5-track EP and call it a day. They are wasting money.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
If album sales don't matter, then why even release albums? These labels expect to make some kind of profit from album sales.
I don't even understand why these labels waste their time on artists like Jason DeRulo, Taio Cruz, Travie McCoy. Just let them release singles every four months to radio and iTunes and call it a day. They are wasting money.
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They aren't really wasting anything, that's why the albums flop. They give the artist, cheap covers, cheap promo, cheap music (outside singles) and make whatever they make from the album while their singles go triple platinum.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
They aren't really wasting anything, that's why the albums flop. They give the artist, cheap covers, cheap promo, cheap music (outside singles) and make whatever they make from the album while their singles go triple platinum.
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All of that cost money. I'm not seeing how they are breaking even, even with the mega success of their singles. I think those artists should get 5-track EP releases since they are only good for 5 good songs. No need to release albums for those artists.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
All of that cost money. I'm not seeing how they are breaking even, even with the mega success of their singles. I think those artists should get 5-track EP releases since they are only good for 5 good songs. No need to release albums for those artists.
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Selling 130,000 albums in total (Jason Derulo) = 3 Million downloads.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
Selling 130,000 albums in total (Jason Derulo) = 3 Million downloads.
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Hmm, I still don't see the logic in that though. I just feel that they would probably make more by releasing $5 EPs with a few songs AND have success digitally. They have to pay the songwriters, producers, artists and everyone else involved with the project. But I guess.
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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And it's sad because Jason DeRulo has had soooo much promo, yet his album is a colossal flop. He was on AI, Ellen, The View, late night talk shows, etc. Nothing could save him.
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Member Since: 8/3/2006
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
Hmm, I still don't see the logic in that though. I just feel that they would probably make more by releasing $5 EPs with a few songs AND have success digitally. They have to pay the songwriters, producers, artists and everyone else involved with the project. But I guess.
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I guess it depends on how much those producers and stuff cost, I would hope they don't pay too much for the garbage that's on these albums. And labels do release EPs, when artist REALLY flop. Like Tearria Mari.
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Member Since: 8/8/2009
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Originally posted by 1-N-Only21
I thought you were talking about albums.
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Music in general.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
It depends on the demographic you're aiming at or what type of music you make.
Travie McCoy, Jason DeRulo and Taio Cruz make similar music, and I think their sales are a reflection of that. Rhythmic-pop stars don't usually sell for whatever reason.
Country artists and Rock stars tend to sell well or consistently.
Contemporary R&B doesn't sell well unless you're a crossover R&B star - Beyonce, Usher, Alicia Keys
Pop/Dance is always a hit or miss.
Hip Hop artists tend to have stronger opening sales and okay follow-up sales.
Veteran R&B artists sell consistently - Sade, Maxwell, Whitney Houston
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This actually sums it up to some extent.
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Member Since: 11/2/2009
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I don't know what Taio Cruz's label was thinking.
BYH did better in the UK than it did here and it still flopped.
I cannot possibly see how that screams to any record exec "Let's give this flop a world wide release!"
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Member Since: 6/25/2008
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Originally posted by SUPERN0VA_
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Keri Hilson - In A Perfect World
March 24, 2009
Singles (Billboard Hot 100 Peak)
Energy (#78), Return The Favor feat. Timbaland (--), Turnin Me On feat. Lil Wayne (#15), Knock You Down feat. Kanye West & Ne-Yo (#3)
US SALES TO DATE
327,000
Why should this have been a success?
She was on The Way I Are, Timbaland and Polow Da Don protege, high-profile features, and internet buzz surrounding supposed Beyonce/Ciara diss track.
What went wrong?
New artist, little promo, tons of pushbacks.
Chance of recovery?
Keri has proven that with the help of huge star features on her singles, she can top the R&B charts and go top ten on the Hot 100. Knock You Down is currently top 3 on the Hot 100 and still growing on radio and digitally. Plus the rumored next single features Keyshia Cole and Trina. High chance of exiting flopdom.
She was stupid for not going with GYMU but she ended up sellin' 500+k, def' out of flopdom.
It's sad to see how lower sales are today comper to last year's flops...They did this year's list more pro.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/11/2007
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Jason Derulo is F**KING GOOD
how can he be a flop
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