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Discussion: Avril or Kelly C: Bigger this decade?
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Kelly and it ain't even close.
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Originally posted by cancer
Kelly and it ain't even close.
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You probably don't have a clue about Avril's success outside the US, rite?
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Originally posted by prollyallmyfault
3x Grammy Award Winner
Presidential Inauguration
Super Bowl National Anthem
who had a bigger decade again?  |
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
Queen Avril. Hello Kitty is the first Japanese single ever that get VEVO certification  . And it's bigger than any Kelly's singles from PBP |
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
You probably don't have a clue about Avril's success outside the US, rite?
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Oh? Can I get some receipts on moments when Avril helped inaugurate the US President or headlined some of the most watched events in the world or was acclaimed in some way this decade?
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Originally posted by prollyallmyfault
Oh? Can I get some receipts on moments when Avril helped inaugurate the US President or headlined some of the most watched events in the world or was acclaimed in some way this decade?
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She did a theme song for Olympic tho and performed it in front of 95 thousands of people 
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
She did a theme song for Olympic tho and performed it in front of 95 thousands of people |
Kelly performed My Country Tis of Thee in front of 1M people 
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
Kelly performed My Country Tis of Thee in front of 1M people |
Most of them probably can't even see her face tho
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
Most of them probably can't even see her face tho |
And you think people in a stadium can? 
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Avril is more relevant and has sold more in average than Kelly
Both are has-beens but Avril has a lot more presence around the globe. No one talks about Kelly since Stronger honestly.
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
And you think people in a stadium can? |
Of course, there is a huge screen on the stage so people can look at it 
Anyway, the point is Avril still outsold Kelly outside of the US, rite? Like Stronger (the single) sold 4 million is US and 6M overall while WTH sold 2 million is US and 5.5 million WW. Don't you think that's impressive for Avril?
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
Of course, there is a huge screen on the stage so people can look at it
Anyway, the point is Avril still outsold Kelly outside of the US, rite? Like Stronger (the single) sold 4 million is US and 6M overall while WTH sold 2 million is US and 5.5 million WW. Don't you think that's impressive for Avril? |
There were screens for Kelly too throughout the national mall
Again, y'all count South Korean sales - and have Japanese figures - I/we don't. Without South Korea and it's 39 cent downloads, WTH would be at around 3.5M.
Kelly's sold 4M singles this decade in South Korea (which I think would be in Avril's ballpark):
Before Your Love: 200,000
My Life Would Suck Without You: 150,000
Because of You: 2,000,000
I Forgive You: 800,000
Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You): 500,000
Mr. Know it All: 600,000
Catch My Breath: 250,000
Underneath the Tree: 100,000
Tie It Up: 50,000
And yes, 5.5M WW is impressive.
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Furthermore, has Avril received any acclaim this decade? Kelly has not only a Grammy win, but several nominations in multiple genres - General, Pop, Country ... seems pretty relevant in the industry to me Where are your receipts?
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
There were screens for Kelly too throughout the national mall
Again, y'all count South Korean sales - and have Japanese figures - I/we don't.
Kelly's sold 4M singles this decade in South Korea:
Before Your Love: 200,000
My Life Would Suck Without You: 150,000
Because of You: 2,000,000
I Forgive You: 800,000
Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You): 500,000
Mr. Know it All: 600,000
Catch My Breath: 250,000
Underneath the Tree: 100,000
Tie It Up: 50,000
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But WTH alone sold 2 million in South Korea. And you think Kelly's success in Japan can compare with Avril's ?  If Kelly's sales in Japan were significant, you girls would have it already
And i mean, the sales for Avril outside the US is very impressive. I mean, GL sold 400k in US and 1,3 million in the rese which makes its total sales up to 1.7 million copies
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Originally posted by prollyallmyfault
Furthermore, has Avril received any acclaim this decade? Kelly has not only a Grammy win, but several nominations in multiple genres - General, Pop, Country ... seems pretty relevant in the industry to me Where are your receipts? |
Stay on the point. Nobody denies that success for Kelly (as we all try to ignore your post ). I discuss about different kind of success of Avril that Kelly might not have. 
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
But WTH alone sold 2 million in South Korea. And you think Kelly's success in Japan can compare with Avril's ? If Kelly's sales in Japan were significant, you girls would have it already
And i mean, the sales for Avril outside the US is very impressive. I mean, GL sold 400k in US and 1,3 million in the rest which makes its total sales up to 1.7 million copies |
Yeah, Avril slaughters Kelly in Japan, RIP.
I'm just now looking at Avril's receipts again, where did 1.65M come from?
Japan: 400,000
US sales: 368,000
Canada: 100,000
United Kingdom: 70,000
TAIWAN: 4xPLATINUM (+59.914)
INDONESIA: 2xPLATINUM (+30.000)
SOUTH KOREA: 2xPLATINUM (+20.000)
AUSTRALIA: GOLD (+35.000)
BRAZIL: GOLD (+37.000)
ITALY: GOLD (+35.454)
CZECH REPUBLIC: GOLD (+6.000)
GREECE: GOLD (+10.000)
RUSSIA: GOLD (+10.000)
France: +25.000
Germany: +40.000
This is about 1.2M. Where did 450k come from? 
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Originally posted by ClarksonSlays
Yeah, Avril slaughters Kelly in Japan, RIP.
I'm just now looking at Avril's receipts again, where did 1.65M come from?
Japan: 400,000
US sales: 368,000
Canada: 100,000
United Kingdom: 70,000
TAIWAN: 4xPLATINUM (+59.914)
INDONESIA: 2xPLATINUM (+30.000)
SOUTH KOREA: 2xPLATINUM (+20.000)
AUSTRALIA: GOLD (+35.000)
BRAZIL: GOLD (+37.000)
ITALY: GOLD (+35.454)
CZECH REPUBLIC: GOLD (+6.000)
GREECE: GOLD (+10.000)
RUSSIA: GOLD (+10.000)
This is about 1.1M. Where did 600k come from? |
The sales you used were pretty dated. As the sales in US were up to 390k + as of September 2015 and the sales for other country too.
Besides, the is a huge chance that she sold more than her certification. She definitely sell more than 35k in Australia since the album was certificated gold there in its first week for example
And mediatraffic is responsible for the source of sales, not that we make up the sales. So if you try to prove the sales were wrong, Kelly's sales might be unreliable too.
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Originally posted by KKCuteCat
The sales you used were pretty dated. As the sales in US were up to 390k + as of September 2015 and the sales for other country too.
Besides, the is a huge chance that she sold more than her certification. She definitely sell more than 35k in Australia since the album was certificated gold there in its first week for example
And mediatraffic is responsible for the source of sales, not that we make up the sales. So if you try to prove the sales were wrong, Kelly's sales might be unreliable too. |
Someone needs to update Avril's receipts thread on here since y'all keep saying it's dated 
And I don't use MT so Kelly's sales are reliable.
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