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Poll: BIggest Peak: Gaga, Bey, Brit, Madonna, Mariah, Katy?
View Poll Results: Largest Peak?
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Madonna, Legendary Queen of Pop
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27 |
23.48% |
Mariah Carey, Legendary Queen of #1s
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7 |
6.09% |
Britney Spears, Legendary Princess of Pop
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43 |
37.39% |
Beyonce, Pop Icon
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5 |
4.35% |
Lady Gaga, Iconic Global Phenomenon
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23 |
20.00% |
Katy Perry, Popular Female MJ
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6 |
5.22% |
#JusticeForFocus
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4 |
3.48% |
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Originally posted by zoldyck
The Fame stayed on charts longer than BOMT in almost all countries if that is fair comparison to you
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Because The Fame was re-released
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Originally posted by Evolution
Her albums did fairly well (its chart run aren't really impressive but still) but everything else falls short when it comes to Britney's peak. Her singles sales, chart positions, chart runs and global stats are not really impressive in comparison to Mariah, Madonna and Gaga.
She was a huge media mogul, but that does not matter.
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"...Baby One More Time" is far-and-away the biggest single from any of these girls' peaks. Britney didn't release her singles physically in the U.S., but they all slayed WW. "Born To Make You Happy" was a #1 hit WW without a release in the U.S. and went top 10 in every country in Europe sans Spain.
"Sometimes" was also a global smash, though its U.S. peak looks low due to a lack of a physical single release. "(You Drive Me) Crazy" went top 5 in 14 countries' charts despite less countries having charts in 1999 and even managed to chart again in 2012, 13 years later, in the Czech Republic.
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Originally posted by hellocory
Yes, I said she was bigger than Beyonce and Katy.
Madonna has 3 albums above 20m That's much better than 1 album above 30m
Concerts grossed MUCH less back in the late 90s/2000s compared to now. Ticket prices were much lower.
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These 3 albums were not consecutive so it doesn't represent peak it show her unparalled longevity
and albums sales were worse in 2008 yet she managed to do more than half of BOMT did, Britney even managed to gross even quarter of quarter of TFM ball
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Originally posted by hellocory
Because The Fame was re-released
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if you cut half of the weeks it spend on chart, it will still lead BOMT
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Originally posted by Eternium
"...Baby One More Time" is far-and-away the biggest single from any of these girls' peaks.
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According to mediatraffic Poker Face is bigger than BOMT. And it sold more copies too (15M). But that's BOMTs issue; it only has one hit single like that. The Fame has multiple huge singles.
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Originally posted by zoldyck
The Fame stayed on charts longer than BOMT in almost all countries if that is fair comparison to you
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Originally posted by hellocory
Because The Fame was re-released
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Drag her.
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Originally posted by Wildcat
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Agreed that Madonna had an insane amount of impact, but not all of that is from her True Blue era.
And I agree that Mariah is the correct answer
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Originally posted by ezra
I'm talking about this not his website.
The Fame is way bigger than BOMT. Singles, acclaim, tour > a few extra million copies of an album that hasn't charted in a decade or longer.
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...Baby One More Time sold almost 10M more copies than TF+M and has catalog sales on-par with TF+M despite ...BOMT being 16 years old and TF+M being only 7 years old
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Originally posted by zoldyck
These 3 albums were not consecutive so it doesn't represent peak it show her unparalled longevity
and albums sales were worse in 2008 yet she managed to do more than half of BOMT did, Britney even managed to gross even quarter of quarter of TFM ball
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2 of them were lol. Like A Virgin (1984) sold 21m and True Blue (1986) sold 23m. Her Greatest Hits was released in 1990 and did 28m This is much bigger than any other pop girl's peak.
TF has an asterisk next to it when you compare sales because it's the LP + the EP re-release.
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Originally posted by Eternium
Crying @ these fake ass numbers that you're STILL trying to peddle
...Baby One More Time - 25M (27M IFPI)
True Blue - 23M
The Fame + Monster - 16.4M
And the fact that you want to use Kworb's chart, an iTunes-only chart, to compare albums from the physical age to Gaga's album
That's why we have SEAs. Music consumption is the accurate form of weighing albums according to the IFPI, Billboard, Nielsen Soundscan, the Official Charts Company, etc. Music conversion is just a baseless multiplier given to make current artists seem like they're the most popular that any artists have ever been.
Music Box and TIC outdid ...BOMT. I consider TB to be Madonna's peak just because it was an instant success whereas TIC stalled lower than TB (but has moved considerably more catalog units).
The Fame + Monster has never been bigger than ...BOMT and unless Gaga has some magical career resurgence that really pushes the album, it probably will never be.
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You can't reasonably look at The Fame and BOMT's certifications/year end placements and tell me BOMT is the bigger album.
In addition to that, TF literally outdid BOMT in raw numbers in several countries (Japan, UK, Germany, Brazil, Austria, Norway + literally every Asian/South American market). BOMT's total only looks so impressive because of its US numbers
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I can't believe the monsters are saying Lady Gaga's peak was bigger, her peak was big but it's not as big as Madonna's and Britney's, she destroys the other girls but not those two.
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Only Monsters would argue Gaga's peak was bigger than Madonna's
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Originally posted by ezra
The Fame: 15M albums sold and second only to 21 in terms of Top 20 longevity (see: kworbs chart)
Just Dance #1
Poker Face #1
LoveGame #5
Paparazzi #6
Bad Romance #2
Telephone #3
Alejandro #5
(singles sales add up to more than 50M WW)
227M on tour and received AOTY, ROTY Grammy noms and won several others. Bad Romance took home 7 VMAs in a single night (an MTV record).
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Baby One More Time: 20 million albums sold mostly from the US / Canada and Europe
Baby One More Time #1
Crazy #10
Sometimes #21
From the Bottom of My Broken Heart #14
BOMT Tour did less than 10M on tour and received mixed reviews.
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Only in your mind did BOMT sell 20M
Are you also going to conveniently ignore the fact that the U.S. is not the only country in the world to suit your agenda? And since we're having a discussion about peaks, shouldn't we also note the fact that BOMT scored 2 #1s, a #3 and a #5 peaking single in the UK? Or that all of the singles bar FTBOMBH peaked inside the top 10 in 90% of the charts they appeared on?
The fact that you have to combine two albums (which don't even come close touching BOMT's sales, SEAs included) to make Gaga's peak seem impressive says it all really
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Originally posted by Eternium
...Baby One More Time sold almost 10M more copies than TF+M and has catalog sales on-par with TF+M despite ...BOMT being 16 years old and TF+M being only 7 years old
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The lie? BOMT never charts anywhere and hasn't had catalog sales updated in years because not much has changed.
The Fame consistently charts on iTunes and has since it's release in 2008.
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Originally posted by ezra
According to mediatraffic Poker Face is bigger than BOMT. And it sold more copies too (15M). But that's BOMTs issue; it only has one hit single like that. The Fame has multiple huge singles.
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"Poker Face" is a digital single. Obviously it sold more (though it surprisingly sold less in the U.K. ).
And "Born To Make You Happy," "Sometimes" and "(You Drive Me) Crazy" have charting on-par with "Love Game" and "Paparazzi" and Britney didn't have a single flop the way Gaga had "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)."
But hey, if stanning for a singles artist is what suits you, go for it. As for my fave, she not only had the higher album sales, but the higher album equivalents total, too. Poor that
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Originally posted by hellocory
2 of them were lol. Like A Virgin (1984) sold 21m and True Blue (1986) sold 23m. Her Greatest Hits was released in 1990 and did 28m This is much bigger than any other pop girl's peak.
TF has an asterisk next to it when you compare sales because it's the LP + the EP re-release.
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Mariah Music Box-32M MerryChristmas-15M total: 47M
WhitneyHouston- WhitneyHouston-30M Whitney-25M total: 55M
Madonna: 21M +23M= 44M
while except Gaga, all her peers don't come close to The Fame
TF+M are both counted as her peek though
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Originally posted by idkher
You can't reasonably look at The Fame and BOMT's certifications/year end placements and tell me BOMT is the bigger album.
In addition to that, TF literally outdid BOMT in raw numbers in several countries (Japan, UK, Germany, Brazil, Austria, Norway + literally every Asian/South American market). BOMT's total only looks so impressive because of its US numbers
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Japan is top 3 in the world's music markets and BOMT barely made a dent there. Whereas The Fame is one of the biggest foreign album releases in Japan's chart history.
We won't even go into the 227M grossing tour.
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Originally posted by zoldyck
Mariah Music Box-32M MerryChristmas-15M total: 47M
WhitneyHouston- WhitneyHouston-30M Whitney-25M total: 55M
Madonna: 21M +23M= 44M
while except Gaga, all her peers don't come close to The Fame
TF+M are both counted as her peek though
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Why are you inflating Mariah's and Whitney's figures?
Mariah:Music Box(27m)+MC(13.5m)=40.5m
Whitney:WH(24m)+Whitney=(21m)=45m
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Originally posted by ezra
Japan is top 3 in the world's music markets and BOMT barely made a dent there. Whereas The Fame is one of the biggest foreign album releases in Japan's chart history.
We won't even go into the 227M grossing tour.
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I didn't know The Fame Ball grossed $227M Can you post the receipts sis?
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Originally posted by ezra
The lie? BOMT never charts anywhere and hasn't had catalog sales updated in years because not much has changed.
The Fame consistently charts on iTunes and has since it's release in 2008.
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Its Nielsen Soundscan sales were updated at 10,639,280 this August and Billboard ran an article on her sales just a few months prior.
...BOMT was actually selling 1,000 a week years after its release (see: 2011). When was the last time TF+M sold 1,000 in a week? The same year?
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Madonna > Gaga > Britney > Beyonce.
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Originally posted by Eternium
"Poker Face" is a digital single. Obviously it sold more (though it surprisingly sold less in the U.K. ).
And "Born To Make You Happy," "Sometimes" and "(You Drive Me) Crazy" have charting on-par with "Love Game" and "Paparazzi" and Britney didn't have a single flop the way Gaga had "Eh, Eh (Nothing Else I Can Say)."
But hey, if stanning for a singles artist is what suits you, go for it. As for my fave, she not only had the higher album sales, but the higher album equivalents total, too. Poor that
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Just Dance is not on par with Born to Make you Happy
Crazy sold 5 million copies like Paparazzi? I honestly didn't know that.
Either way, Gaga won in singles, acclaim and touring which means it's the bigger era.
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