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Chart Listings: Billboard Hot 100 Singles (May 6-12, 2010)
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Originally posted by tcatron565
American Idol earns money from their downloads and spares us from them overtaking the chart week after week.
Glee earns money from their downloads, but doesn't give a **** about the charts and infects them week after week with crap that has high positions for one week, then crashes because nobody wants it except for the obsessed "gleeks."
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I don't think Idol gives a **** about the charts either! The reason they don't have their singles charting is because if they did it would reflect upon who is the most popular on the show, which they don't want people to know. It would be a spoiler in a way.
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^Yes, it would. They also need to do the same thing for Glee, too, though.
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I love the Glee weekly overtake. They definitely deserve it.
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Originally posted by tcatron565
^Yes, it would. They also need to do the same thing for Glee, too, though.
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If Glee songs are what are popular in the US in a certain week, then I think they should be able to chart.
If they didn't let them chart on iTunes, it would just make the US chart even more illegitimate than it already is.
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Originally posted by £100
If Glee songs are what are popular in the US in a certain week, then I think they should be able to chart.
If they didn't let them chart on iTunes, it would just make the US chart even more illegitimate than it already is.
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The US chart is not illegitimate.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
The US chart is not illegitimate.
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To me, it doesn't represent what songs are most popular in the US. That would be Hot Digital Songs.
Hence me calling it illegitimate (in the sense that it isn't valid).
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Originally posted by £100
To me, it doesn't represent what songs are most popular in the US. That would be Hot Digital Songs.
Hence me calling it illegitimate (in the sense that it isn't valid).
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You see, a person is more likely to know a song from hearing it on a Radio more than hearing about a friend downloading it or from iTunes.
And honestly, almost every song that goes #1 on HD goes #1 on BH100 (Example: TiK ToK, OMG, NOY).
In Bad Romance case, even though it was a huge hit - It's just that there was a bigger hit than it; TiK ToK.
And a song is not likely to sell unless it gets a decent Airplay.
When a song gets heard by millions of people weekly, It should be counted. Counting only Digital sales would make it boring and fully predictable, and will not reflect popularity of songs in the US.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
You see, a person is more likely to know a song from hearing it on a Radio more than hearing about a friend downloading it or from iTunes.
And honestly, almost every song that goes #1 on HD goes #1 on BH100 (Example: TiK ToK, OMG, NOY).
In Bad Romance case, even though it was a huge hit - It's just that there was a bigger hit than it; TiK ToK.
And a song is not likely to sell unless it gets a decent Airplay.
When a song gets heard by millions of people weekly, It should be counted. Counting only Digital sales would make it boring and fully predictable, and will not reflect popularity of songs in the US.
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You can have your reasons, but there is a reason why nearly every single chart in the world is sales only.
If radio and sales are so closely related, then it is redundant to include both. What happens is that songs that are the most popular - selling the most every week - do not get number one and are blocked by songs that aren't selling as much. It does much more harm than good and slows the chart down to the pace of a snail. Now that's boring.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
And honestly, almost every song that goes #1 on HD goes #1 on BH100 (Example: TiK ToK, OMG, NOY).
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Bad Romance was clearly robbed of #1 on the Hot 100 and was a bigger hit than countless #1s, but I won't go there tonight
I think Rude Boy is a perfect example of why the Hot 100 is flawed. It only got to #1 because of airplay, as it never topped the HDS chart, and since it's peak it's fallen like a rock in both airplay & sales. It's also been outsold by songs like Telephone which didn't peak as high as it did on the Hot 100, but if someone just looked at the Hot 100 it would look like Rude Boy was a huge mega smash, which is why the Hot 100 is misleading & flawed.
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Originally posted by £100
You can have your reasons, but there is a reason why nearly every single chart in the world is sales only.
If radio and sales are so closely related, then it is redundant to include both. What happens is that songs that are the most popular - selling the most every week - do not get number one and are blocked by songs that aren't selling as much. It does much more harm than good and slows the chart down to the pace of a snail. Now that's boring.
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There aren't many cases of songs that went #1 Digitally and were blocked.
And If a song is really popular, It'll go #1 on BH100 due to huge Digital sales ("3", Soon-to-be "Not Afraid", Break Your Heart.)
Today Was A Fairytale is a great example. It sold huge amount of copies on its first week, but was blocked by TT. It's undeniable that TT was and still more popular and successful song that TWAFT (At that week and until this day).
In other countries, Airplay isn't as big as the US, where a song can reach 155 Million AI. If you live in the US, and you have life / work, you'd probably hear a song on the Radio more likely than you'll see it on iTunes. Popular-wise, Radio hits are more popular.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
There aren't many cases of songs that went #1 Digitally and were blocked.
And If a song is really popular, It'll go #1 on BH100 due to huge Digital sales ("3", Soon-to-be "Not Afraid", Break Your Heart.)
Today Was A Fairytale is a great example. It sold huge amount of copies on its first week, but was blocked by TT. It's undeniable that TT was and still more popular and successful song that TWAFT (At that week and until this day).
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Clearly not if TWAFT set the record for most first week downloads by a female artist
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
In other countries, Airplay isn't as big as the US, where a song can reach 155 Million AI. If you live in the US, and you have life / work, you'd probably hear a song on the Radio more likely than you'll see it on iTunes. Popular-wise, Radio hits are more popular.
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That's because there aren't as many people...
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Originally posted by Bibliotheque
Bad Romance was clearly robbed of #1 on the Hot 100 and was a bigger hit than countless #1s, but I won't go there tonight
I think Rude Boy is a perfect example of why the Hot 100 is flawed. It only got to #1 because of airplay, as it never topped the HDS chart, and since it's peak it's fallen like a rock in both airplay & sales. It's also been outsold by songs like Telephone which didn't peak as high as it did on the Hot 100, but if someone just looked at the Hot 100 it would look like Rude Boy was a huge mega smash, which is why the Hot 100 is misleading & flawed.
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Yes, Rude Boy is a perfect example why BH100 is legitimate. It was so popular and huge Radio hit, it deserved being #1. It reached a respectful peak of #2 in Digital.
Anyway, Rihanna would still have 6 #1 if BH100 was Digital-based only. Pon De Replay was #1 on Digital for 6 weeks.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
Yes, Rude Boy is a perfect example why BH100 is legitimate. It was so popular and huge Radio hit, it deserved being #1. It reached a respectful peak of #2 in Digital.
Anyway, Rihanna would still have 6 #1 if BH100 was Digital-based only. Pon De Replay was #1 on Digital for 6 weeks.
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If Rude Boy was so popular then it would have sold much more. Apparantly the public didn't use it, it was just very radio friendly.
Oh and I didn't debate whether Rihanna would still have 6 #1s or not, all I'm saying is that Rude Boy is an example of why airplay shouldn't be included in the Hot 100 formula.
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Originally posted by Bibliotheque
If Rude Boy was so popular then it would have sold much more. Apparantly the public didn't use it, it was just very radio friendly.
Oh and I didn't debate whether Rihanna would still have 6 #1s or not, all I'm saying is that Rude Boy is an example of why airplay shouldn't be included in the Hot 100 formula.
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I was saying that to myself.
It just looks like your bitter that BR didn't go #1.
A song that gets heard more than 100 million people weekly should go #1. Billboard Hot 100 is about the most popular and hot songs in a certain weeks. Not about the most successful.
TWAFT sold 325,000 copies in the first week, with no airplay at all. Let's say, maximum 15M people knew that song at that week? But in that same specific week, more than 100M people heard TT on the Radio and more than 180,000 downloaded it.
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Radio as "popularity" is way too arbitrary.
Sure, the song can get x audience, but that does NOT mean it's extremely popular. The problem with the Hot 100 is that if radio plays a song a lot but people don't buy it at the same levels because they don't like it - it will still do well on the Hot 100, maybe even be number one. That is flawed. Which is why the chart is not valid.
We could argue about how radio requests and surveys mean that radio is popularity, but that in itself is extremely debatable and varies from station to station.
Meanwhile, if people are buying a song, it's because they want to own it. That isn't arbitrary.
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Originally posted by £100
Radio as "popularity" is way too arbitrary.
Sure, the song can get x audience, but that does NOT mean it's extremely popular. The problem with the Hot 100 is that if radio plays a song a lot but people don't buy it at the same levels because they don't like it - it will still do well on the Hot 100, maybe even be number one. That is flawed. Which is why the chart is not valid.
We could argue about how radio requests and surveys mean that radio is popularity, but that in itself is extremely debatable and varies from station to station.
Meanwhile, if people are buying a song, it's because they want to own it. That isn't arbitrary.
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They still know it, which means it's popular, whether they like it or not. Once again, the BH is about popularity, not success.
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
They still know it, which means it's popular, whether they like it or not. Once again, the BH is about popularity, not success.
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Eh…what? Obviously a lot of people heard According To You and hated it which is why it performed poorly digitally. How exactly does that make it popular? Because some DJs at American radio stations decided to spin it to death?
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Originally posted by £100
Radio as "popularity" is way too arbitrary.
Sure, the song can get x audience, but that does NOT mean it's extremely popular. The problem with the Hot 100 is that if radio plays a song a lot but people don't buy it at the same levels because they don't like it - it will still do well on the Hot 100, maybe even be number one. That is flawed. Which is why the chart is not valid.
We could argue about how radio requests and surveys mean that radio is popularity, but that in itself is extremely debatable and varies from station to station.
Meanwhile, if people are buying a song, it's because they want to own it. That isn't arbitrary.
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Exactly. The thing that gets me about the Hot 100 formula is that if you listen to the radio and they play a song that you hate, you're still a part of it's AI and you're helping it on the Hot 100. Ridiculous
Whereas with sales, if someone choses to pay money for a song then clearly they like it.
Oh and Rude Boy, trust me, I have nothing to be bitter about regarding Bad Romance
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Member Since: 3/25/2009
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Originally posted by RudeBoy
They still know it, which means it's popular, whether they like it or not. Once again, the BH is about popularity, not success.
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What?
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I believe radio should not be included in the Hot 100. It just messes everything up. But if the HDS chart was to become the Hot 100x radio should not be based off of the digital charts. It should keep running how it is.
But the Digital Charts truly show what the most popular songs in the country are.
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