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News: Americans shifting left on social issues
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Originally posted by Solopop
Let's remove the moral aspect of abortion and view it objectively? If you removed abortion, as you would like to happen - what happens to those that want an abortion? They do it themselves and risk their own lives. Also, you clearly don't understand how damaging pregnancy can be to a body, it limits a womans earning capability for the rest of their lives and considering most abortions are sought by those than are often younger and poorer, what comes of their future? Like, being anti-abortion is so cruel.
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It's really not cruel. If you're foolish enough to give yourself your own abortion without medical supervision then, no offense, but you deserve whatever happens. That's just dumb. Saying babies women ruin lives is cruel. The babies didn't do anything except for their momma conceiving them. Most decent organizations give their female workers paid maternity leave.
At the end of the day, most people are aware that sex leads to pregnancy. I do agree with what was mentioned earlier that there should be better sex education. It's as simple as this: if you don't want a baby, either don't have sex at all or make sure you're using really good protection.
Realistically, it's never going to be outlawed or heavily restricted since our generation has warped the issue into "a woman's right" (which is preceded a woman's decision more often than not, but I digress) rather than an innocent child's right. But I can still disagree with it on a personal level and strongly encourage all of my loved ones not to get one.
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![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif) at it declining for testing on animals
also why is anyone even entertaining Cherry he is a known troll ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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I don't believe in, at least in my eyes, as "needless" abortion but no matter how pro-life I am morally, I will not try to argue against a woman and her body. It isn't my right to decide. I am pro-choice because of that alone.. how could I ever possibly understand? I can be upset and be kicking and screaming but ultimately it should be a choice without stigma.
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Originally posted by A Muse
In 14 years, that's not as much progress as I would've hoped for.
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I would've liked some 70's and 80's in those percentages but every things just slightly over the edge
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Originally posted by Cherry
Children are better off in the foster system than in a hospital furnace. Of course the adoption process should be fixed, but I think it's just cruel to get rid of a child that so many couples want and can't have because of inferitlity, frequent miscarriages, etc, all because of selfish women. You're also operating under the viewpoint that children are a curse and not a blessing, which is a very cynical and sad outlook to have.
Children who are aborted could have had the potential to be the next president, the next world leader for peace, or the doctor who found the cure for cancer. But we'll never know that if they don't get to even make it into this world.
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What kind of logic?
They can also be the next murder, rapist or psycho out there. What even?
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Only 15 percent for human cloning?
Why are people so boring. Human cloning seems fun
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I CANT at 30% still thinking divorce is immoral though ![JonnyϟLightning](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/jonny_zpsc73391c5.png)
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Originally posted by GotSkill
I CANT at 30% still thinking divorce is immoral though ![JonnyϟLightning](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/jonny_zpsc73391c5.png)
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These are probably a smaller sect of the same religious zealots that are against gay marriage. I mean, my grandparents told my dad that there was a possibility that he could be going to hell for marrying my mother (a divorced woman) since a marriage is a "life covenant." I'm glad that died out with the 80s but clearly not enough. I imagine it'll be totally a non-issue in fifteen years.
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Extramarital affairs? Mess
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Originally posted by OhRly?
What kind of logic?
They can also be the next murder, rapist or psycho out there. What even?
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Right, the millions of kids stick in poverty all over the world could be the next president, world leader for peace or the one to find a cure for cancer, but pro lifers don't care about them? As I said, improving life for the living should always be prioritised.
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Are more people accepting Polygamy? ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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Originally posted by Buyonce1814
Are more people accepting Polygamy? ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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Of course!
Conservative Christians say the definition of marriage is "between one man and one women", but that's a load of bollocks. It's not up to them to define marriage. It doesn't have to be one man and one woman, in my opinion a marriage should be able to be between three men, or one woman and two men, or any other combination.
Marriage is about LOVE, as long as everybody in the marriage agrees to it and there's no abuse or deception going on, then it's fine. Some people can fall in love with multiple people. People can't control who they fall in love with.
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Originally posted by Ryuuchan_X
Only 15 percent for human cloning?
Why are people so boring. Human cloning seems fun
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Mte ![skull](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/skull_zpsksni5fmm.gif)
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^ A lot of the general public don't understand cloning. They think it would be two copies of the same person, and that the clone would be the same age as the original, with the same memories, same personality, etc. I could understand why people would be against this tbh.
In reality, cloning won't be a big deal. There are many ethical issues to consider obviously, but it won't cause the end of the world, and the clones would always be younger than the original, with different life experiences, so they wouldn't end up exactly the same.
I think the biggest issues would be things like people who want to have children cloning their favourite celebrities/models. It's not a big deal if just a few people do it, but if it's something that became common it could cause lots of difficult situations.
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Cloning humans..? People are becoming for that? ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Of course!
Conservative Christians say the definition of marriage is "between one man and one women", but that's a load of bollocks. It's not up to them to define marriage. It doesn't have to be one man and one woman, in my opinion a marriage should be able to be between three men, or one woman and two men, or any other combination.
Marriage is about LOVE, as long as everybody in the marriage agrees to it and there's no abuse or deception going on, then it's fine. Some people can fall in love with multiple people. People can't control who they fall in love with.
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You can love people or have a unique relationship without the marriage label. There is no point in marriage, something that is supposed to be a serious, lifelong commitment if people are going to defile it with sister wives. Do you REALLY think that's a good idea? If you can define marriage on your own terms then where are we going to draw the line? Will bestiality become legal? Pedophilia? THINK.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
In reality, cloning won't be a big deal. There are many ethical issues to consider obviously, but it won't cause the end of the world, and the clones would always be younger than the original, with different life experiences, so they wouldn't end up exactly the same.
I think the biggest issues would be things like people who want to have children cloning their favourite celebrities/models. It's not a big deal if just a few people do it, but if it's something that became common it could cause lots of difficult situations.
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The main ethical problem would be that the clones won't get to live that long, and will die around the same time as the original despite being much younger. Once this problem is overcome, I'd see no problem with cloning.
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Originally posted by Goosey
There are a couple good items but most of those things are bad ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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In not sure if I'd say most, but there's definitely things on that list I'm not here for. Cloning in particular. It makes absolutely no sense from an evolutionary standpoint, and it's highly questionable from a moral one
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
As long as we don't shift left on economic issues, I'm fine. We don't want our marvelous country to end up like the socialist European countries, just ew.
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You can't move left socially while remaining right economically. The two are too interconnected for that.
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Originally posted by Repo
In not sure if I'd say most, but there's definitely things on that list I'm not here for. Cloning in particular. It makes absolutely no sense from an evolutionary standpoint, and it's highly questionable from a moral one
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Human cloning isn't making another person. It's growing cells (usually into tissues) from a person's DNA. You basically force somatic or regular cells that you extract into a pluripotent or "stem" state which allows you to then direct those cells to become any tissue you want - cardiac, skeletal muscle, neuronal, etc. It's not used on patients right now, but it's huge in biological and medical research.
The concept of cloning to "make a person" isn't really a thing. Theoretically it is, but that's not what people mean when they talk about human cloning.
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