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Discussion: Social Justice Warriors...
Member Since: 3/16/2012
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I don't think SJW are aggressive intentionally, but what can be harmful to social justice quest it's when the fight becomes misinformed, extremely reactionary and unbalanced. The "cultural appropriation" and the "catcalling is rape" mobs are probably two of the most guilty of this.
The willful lack of empathy from many "privileged" people and the lack of understanding from SJW that not everybody is going see some of the issues you are talking about at first is what causes most of the friction.
There are ways to do things effectively, without resorting to insults and labeling. If one fails to remain civil while presenting your position you're probably not going to be taken seriously. This is why I try not to use silencing or heavy words like "bigot" or "ignorant" unless it's REALLY necessary.
I also get the point that the majority of the people who complain about SJW are those who are not being defended and probably would secretly love the status quo to remain exactly how it is even if it disadvantages other people (a fact they may be or not aware of).
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Reza
SJW are bullies hands down. they attack Anyone for anything even if it doesn't affect them at all or even if its a joke. I actually feel bad for them that theyre lives are so dull that they have to troll online looking for things to be mad about ![dies](images/smilies/images/smilies/dies.gif)
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While I agree that some take it over the top, why should this matter in particular? Should people ONLY be concerned with issues that have a direct effect on themselves? Should there be no straight allies to gay rights, or white/non-black allies for civil rights, etc? I'm only asking because this isn't the first time I've heard people use the "SJWs fight about issues that don't even affect them!" thing, and it seems silly.
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Member Since: 11/13/2009
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Those who abuse the power of driving social issues awareness deserve to be called out, but I'm still skeptical of the author for being a little too conservative. We need groups who have legitimate concerns about social, cultural and environmental issues to thrive. Find the middle ground.
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Member Since: 11/13/2009
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
While I agree that some take it over the top, why should this matter in particular? Should people ONLY be concerned with issues that have a direct effect on themselves? Should there be no straight allies to gay rights, or white/non-black allies for civil rights, etc? I'm only asking because this isn't the first time I've heard people use the "SJWs fight about issues that don't even affect them!" thing, and it seems silly.
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I would even argue every issue affects every other person. We are all connected. What do they say, six degrees of separation? We've been taught since preschool to care about our neighbor, so is the message here to stop doing that now? The reason we have a relative amount of peace and democracy in the world now compared to centuries ago is because we work together and care about each other rather than keeping to ourselves.
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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I feel like there's a I hate social justice warriors thread every week...
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Beatfreak
I would even argue every issue affects every other person. We are all connected. What do they say, six degrees of separation? We've been taught since preschool to care about our neighbor, so is the message here to stop doing that now? The reason we have a relative amount of peace and democracy in the world now compared to centuries ago is because we work together and care about each other rather than keeping to ourselves.
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This is true as well. While it's a bit of an aside, the latter part of your statement does remind me of one of the few things I tend to take issue with in the recent "SJW" movement, which is the excessive response to cultural appropriation which is resulting in some sort of vaguely separatist movement, in which people are expected to be much more heavily restricted in what speech and behaviors are acceptable based on race/sex/gender and so on. I mean, that has always been present in society (for example, racially/culturally offensive jokes are generally ok for a person of that race/culture, while it may be risky for someone outside of said group), but some have recently been taking it too far, see that "gays, STOP using black women's lingo" petition from a month or so ago, which was ridiculous on a few levels. I've seen the same thing wrt to plenty of other minority groups.
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Member Since: 11/13/2009
Posts: 25,902
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Originally posted by Alejandrawrrr
This is true as well. While it's a bit of an aside, the latter part of your statement does remind me of one of the few things I tend to take issue with in the recent "SJW" movement, which is the excessive response to cultural appropriation which is resulting in some sort of vaguely separatist movement, in which people are expected to be much more heavily restricted in what speech and behaviors are acceptable based on race/sex/gender and so on. I mean, that has always been present in society (for example, racially/culturally offensive jokes are generally ok for a person of that race/culture, while it may be risky for someone outside of said group), but some have recently been taking it too far, see that "gays, STOP using black women's lingo" petition from a month or so ago, which was ridiculous on a few levels. I've seen the same thing wrt to plenty of other minority groups.
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I see where you're coming from, and I'm just as worried about our social relations in this generation. Our positions on social issues may be better than they were in the 1950s, but the way we handle race relations, gender relations, sexuality relations and ethnic relations is repulsive and unhealthy. We are far too offensive and far too defensive all at once, and we don't know how to meet in the middle causing the separation you're talking about. Our generation is supposed to mend these social issues through understanding and unity, but I'm worried our ignorance and division may only make things worse for the next generation. The last thing our world needs is more hostility.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Member Since: 4/22/2009
Posts: 11,768
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So the responses to
"SJWs, even if their points are valid, are taking it to an extreme by responding to hate with hate."
have been
"People are mad they can't be hateful/offensive anymore."
"People just want to keep the oppressive status quo."
I think the point is entirely being missed. ![Stare](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/noneiuskn_zpsd181099c.gif)
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
Posts: 19,066
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Originally posted by Legend ReX
So the responses to
"SJWs, even if their points are valid, are taking it to an extreme by responding to hate with hate."
have been
"People are mad they can't be hateful/offensive anymore."
"People just want to keep the oppressive status quo."
I think the point is entirely being missed. ![Stare](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/noneiuskn_zpsd181099c.gif)
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Um, your OP flat out insinuates social justice warriors are bullies. ![:o](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/redface_zpsfd99364e.gif)
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Member Since: 11/14/2011
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of course they are. who hasn't known this for the past 15 years? They're mostly worse than the religious freaks imo
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Member Since: 12/23/2011
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
Right, but
a) It's distressingly common among SJWs in particular, as I've just demonstrated
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No, you actually haven't.
Nothing in any social justice movement condones or encourages that kind of behavior. What you're pointing out are individuals behaving that way who happen to be feminists, anti-racists, etc.
It's literally a non issue, and your insistence on it proves you're nothing more than a concern troll.
And can you please tell me what an "SJW" even is? What does an "SJW" stand for? People vying for social justice aren't a monolithic group with common interests. There are "SJW" who lean more towards feminism. There are "SJW" who are motivated by white supremacy and racism. There are "SJW" who are primarily concerned with the LGBT community. You're claiming to have knowledge on a group that doesn't even exist.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by TrashyNavy
of course they are. who hasn't known this for the past 15 years? They're mostly worse than the religious freaks imo
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The term was coined like 3 years ago. Is this you trying to sound clever and failing again? ![huh?](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/7be5c36a.gif)
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
No one mentioned white people though?
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And that's the problem half the time
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Member Since: 4/22/2009
Posts: 11,768
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Um, your OP flat out insinuates social justice warriors are bullies. ![:o](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/redface_zpsfd99364e.gif)
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And what do bullies do? They hate. ![darh3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/3530b4aa.gif)
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Member Since: 8/1/2012
Posts: 8,021
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Originally posted by Ties
No, you actually haven't.
Nothing in any social justice movement condones or encourages that kind of behavior. What you're pointing out are individuals behaving that way who happen to be feminists, anti-racists, etc.
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Do you want me to give more examples? Because I can give more examples.
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It's literally a non issue, and your insistence on it proves you're nothing more than a concern troll.
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Yeah, sure, call me a troll because I think that death threats in the name of social justice are repulsive
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And can you please tell me what an "SJW" even is? What does an "SJW" stand for? People vying for social justice aren't a monolithic group with common interests.
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An SJW is someone who uses the banner of social justice as an excuse to bully, harass and threaten people. And despite your insistence to the contrary, there are a ton of people who do.
Also, I think you're getting the impression that I hate anyone who strives for social justice and social change. I'm not. As I've mentioned before, Malala Yousafzai is not an SJW. Neither are Stephen Fry, George Takei, Patrick Stewart, Laverne Cox, Christina Hoff Sommers, Bono, the late Maya Angelou or any of the other legitimately good- natured social justice advocates.
I mean, my point is this: I hate people who do horrible things in the name of social justice. I also hate people who do horrible things in the name of Christianity; doesn't mean I hate all Christians.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
Posts: 10,673
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Meh, people are just mad they can't be offensive like they used to.
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. ![@michael.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/micheal_zps45ccf519.gif)
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
Posts: 27,745
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They're the pits, especially the ones on Tumblr ![Mazen](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/19971843.gif)
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
Posts: 3,420
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Meh, people are just mad they can't be offensive like they used to.
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The bottom line.
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