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Discussion: A brain teaser for the homophobics!
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I never said I don't believe in the bible Well not intentionally. I said, that it IS God's words, but it's not supposed to be taking literally in context of our time. Like Ashley Fool's posted, it was wrote by God in a different time where things were established "Ok" to do things that are considered "Not Ok" in our time. Yet, being a homosexuality get's the card and it's still "Ok" on that behalf?
It seems like a devious plan for the poltics to just keep life even more fracked up!
If being gay is such a sin, like what it says in the bible, then everything else in the bible should be taking for granted and be "ok." But that's not the case
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LMAO this thread is hilarious. So many sermons and essays to read. lol
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Originally posted by Departure
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL *DEATHHHHH* I'm dead. LIterally. You killed every good in my soul NE. I don't know if you are being an ignorant asshole on purpose just to get me riled or you are in fact serious.
ROFL.
Ok, so when I fell in love with this guy I blabbed about in that other thread, I felt something in my heart from sin? LMFAO!!!!
You crack me up NE. I'm starting to think this is just a funny joke to you and your not be serious. My valid argument is not based on my desires. I'm using common sense. When your in love you feel from the heart. END OF STORY.
And I felt that with a guy. Not a girl. END OF STORY.
You, like I stated, have no proof of God. Just the bible. And why do I need to make a valid argument about the phrase "No man shall lie with another man, as with a woman." from the bible when my valid argument is from the heart?
I love how you Christian's feel it's ok to tear down the GBLT community and keep your faith upon this God.
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You can continue to laugh to hide your true fear of your fate. That's your problem, not mine.
And yes, homosexuality is Satan's way of destroying God's creation. You lusting after that male is not a sin, but when you pursue it, it is.
I don't know what you're laughing about. If I were you I wouldn't take going to Hell so lightly. You can continue to say your heart is a valid argument, but it's not. Does your heart justify the fact that homosexual relations are a sin?
No.
I'm not going to argue with you any further, because I can clearly see that you refuse to acknowledge facts. You know yourself that you created this thread, because you don't know if you're going to heaven. Otherwise, if you were certain you were, you wouldn't care what people believed and taken the time to sit and argue your invalid points.
You want to say the Bible isn't truth, yet you still haven't disproved it. The Bible has never been disproved. I know God has lead me through life and I know he exists and that the Bible is truth. The Bible is written in stone and you can't change it no matter how much you wish you could.
You can continue to live your life based off of your irrelevant "having a heart" concept and refuse to acknowledge the facts in front of you, because of your own selfish desires.
The bigger question is, do you honestly have place in heaven? You ask yourself that.
God Bless
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Originally posted by Departure
I never said I don't believe in the bible Well not intentionally. I said, that it IS God's words, but it's not supposed to be taking literally in context of our time. Like Ashley Fool's posted, it was wrote by God in a different time where things were established "Ok" to do things that are considered "Not Ok" in our time. Yet, being a homosexuality get's the card and it's still "Ok" on that behalf?
It seems like a devious plan for the poltics to just keep life even more fracked up!
If being gay is such a sin, like what it says in the bible, then everything else in the bible should be taking for granted and be "ok." But that's not the case
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That was Old Testament teachings for the Israelites.
It is NOT ok today to have homosexual relations. God created a man and woman. He even sent the animal in the ark 2 by 2. Male and Female.
And he burned Sodom and Gommora to the ground because it was infested with homosexuals.
You're not getting anywhere with this Kevin. Give up.
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^Still avoiding Ashley Fool's post I see...
Such ignorance. And I guess I'll take your advice. Next time I fall for someone, I'll open my bible and decide whether or not I'm in love with this person or not.
What a lifestyle guys! The bible is YOUR heart. Don't listen to your heart, like that song says, listen to your bible! They should remix that song.
I'll do what you say and live an unhappy life alone. My one shot at life. Alone. Just because YOUR "So called valid" argument says the bible IS TRUTH, when most smart intelligant people can say the truth comes from within the heart.
God MADE me gay. He made me fall in love with this guy. Why would the devil want me to fall in love with a guy? I thought he wanted me to do the sexual acts, like anal? I don't want to have sex with this guy. Nor do I think about it.
I just know I want to be with him and spend my life with him. He makes me happy. Something the devil would never understand. Something he isn't capable of. God understands love though, the feeling of it. Keep trying and failing NE. I know my place.
I desire LOVE not SEX. Why do you think I'm a virgin still?
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Originally posted by Departure
^Still avoiding Ashley Fool's post I see...
Such ignorance. And I guess I'll take your advice. Next time I fall for someone, I'll open my bible and decide whether or not I'm in love with this person or not.
What a lifestyle guys! The bible is YOUR heart. Don't listen to your heart, like that song says, listen to your bible! They should remix that song.
I'll do what you say and live an unhappy life alone. My one shot at life. Alone. Just because YOUR "So called valid" argument says the bible IS TRUTH, when most smart intelligant people can say the truth comes from within the heart.
God MADE me gay. He made me fall in love with this guy. Why would the devil want me to fall in love with a guy? I thought he wanted me to do the sexual acts, like anal? I don't want to have sex with this guy. Nor do I think about it.
I just know I want to be with him and spend my life with him. He makes me happy. Something the devil would never understand. Something he isn't capable of. God understands love though, the feeling of it. Keep trying and failing NE. I know my place.
I desire LOVE not SEX. Why do you think I'm a virgin still?
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I never ignored Ashley's Fool's post.
Like I said, things she mentioned were Old Testament laws for the Israelites.
God's laws on homosexuality are in the New Testament.
God did NOT make you gay.
I'm not going to argue with you anymore Kevin. You lying to yourself isn't going to get you anywhere. You don't know your place otherwise you wouldn't be arguing it. And you're still a virgin, because you....let me not go there LOL. That's why you stay posting pictures of yourself in the PYP thread and trying to flatter yourself.
Bye.
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This is the last thing I'm gonna post here,
I'm sorry I can't be tolerant to you intolerance NE.
You say you have proof, but you don't. The bible was written in the time were black people were slaves, woman were weren't aloud to do anything and gay were killed for no reason. Also the bible has been translated so many times the true meaning of it has been lost and will most likely never be know. Times have changed, it did for the blacks, it did for the women and it WILL for the gays. I hope you learn to be more loving to other human beings.
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Originally posted by NE.
You can continue to laugh to hide your true fear of your fate. That's your problem, not mine.
And yes, homosexuality is Satan's way of destroying God's creation. You lusting after that male is not a sin, but when you pursue it, it is.
I don't know what you're laughing about. If I were you I wouldn't take going to Hell so lightly. You can continue to say your heart is a valid argument, but it's not. Does your heart justify the fact that homosexual relations are a sin?
No.
I'm not going to argue with you any further, because I can clearly see that you refuse to acknowledge facts. You know yourself that you created this thread, because you don't know if you're going to heaven. Otherwise, if you were certain you were, you wouldn't care what people believed and taken the time to sit and argue your invalid points.
You want to say the Bible isn't truth, yet you still haven't disproved it. The Bible has never been disproved. I know God has lead me through life and I know he exists and that the Bible is truth. The Bible is written in stone and you can't change it no matter how much you wish you could.
You can continue to live your life based off of your irrelevant "having a heart" concept and refuse to acknowledge the facts in front of you, because of your own selfish desires.
The bigger question is, do you honestly have place in heaven? You ask yourself that.
God Bless
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OMG, Are you serious?Homosexuality is not a sin. Are no one knows if they are going to Heaven or not...or even if it exists. Doesn't the bible also say that people should be stoned if they don't go to church on Sundays and that INCEST is okay?
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Originally posted by Wildhope
OMG, Are you serious?Homosexuality is not a sin. Are no one knows if they are going to Heaven or not...or even if it exists. Doesn't the bible also say that people should be stoned if they don't go to church on Sundays and that INCEST is okay?
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Leviticus 20:
13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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Justify that.
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Originally posted by NE.
Justify that.
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LMAO I believe in Jesus and we are forgiven of our sins, I don't need to justify anything. The New Testament does not single out homosexual behavior as worse than heterosexual immorality. Are you one of the kid ****ing Catholics btw? That would explain so much.
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This has been a very intense subject for some time now, even outside of school.
But for NE, I just want to know our opinion. If a guy likes guys, and have no feeling whatsoever for girls, do you think that he should stay single for life or pursue women, since the act of pursuing a man is the sin?
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Originally posted by NE.
I never ignored Ashley's Fool's post.
Like I said, things she mentioned were Old Testament laws for the Israelites.
God's laws on homosexuality are in the New Testament.
God did NOT make you gay.
I'm not going to argue with you anymore Kevin. You lying to yourself isn't going to get you anywhere. You don't know your place otherwise you wouldn't be arguing it. And you're still a virgin, because you....let me not go there LOL. That's why you stay posting pictures of yourself in the PYP thread and trying to flatter yourself.
Bye.
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For starters, I am a guy, and also, Mark is in the New Testament.
And there is actually very little, maybe like 3 or 4, little bits that even refer to anything about homosexual activity in the New Testament. Also, Jesus never really explicitly talked about homosexuality so how are we supposed to know his attitude towards it? And the New Testament does not even directly gives us guidance to how we are to understand and make judgments about homosexuality.
Your viewpoints seems like things that you have been taught by at school, not by self reflection or serious analyzation of the Bible. But this is expected since you are only 14 years old. I am sure that in time you will finally get your own opinion about this subject and not depend on the viewpoints of others
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Originally posted by Ashley's Fool
For starters, I am a guy, and also, Mark is in the New Testament.
And there is actually very little, maybe like 3 or 4, little bits that even refer to anything about homosexual activity in the New Testament. Also, Jesus never really explicitly talked about homosexuality so how are we supposed to know his attitude towards it? And the New Testament does not even directly gives us guidance to how we are to understand and make judgments about homosexuality.
Your viewpoints seems like things that you have been taught by at school, not by self reflection or serious analyzation of the Bible. But this is expected since you are only 14 years old. I am sure that in time you will finally get your own opinion about this subject and not depend on the viewpoints of others
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No. My viewpoints are learned from personal analyzation of the Bible and not just school teachings. I depend on my own beliefs, thanks.
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Originally posted by NE.
No. My viewpoints are learned from personal analyzation of the Bible and not just school teachings. I depend on my own beliefs, thanks.
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okay, so are you going to argue my statements and give proof in the new testament that help formulate your view on the topic or are you going to ignore them like last time??
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Originally posted by Ashley's Fool
okay, so are you going to argue my statements and give proof in the new testament that help formulate your view on the topic or are you going to ignore them like last time??
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I already have many times. The Bible talks plently on homosexuality. And it applies to our generation.
Let me see you argue that and disprove it.
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Originally posted by Departure
I never said I don't believe in the bible Well not intentionally. I said, that it IS God's words, but it's not supposed to be taking literally in context of our time. Like Ashley Fool's posted, it was wrote by God in a different time where things were established "Ok" to do things that are considered "Not Ok" in our time. Yet, being a homosexuality get's the card and it's still "Ok" on that behalf?
It seems like a devious plan for the poltics to just keep life even more fracked up!
If being gay is such a sin, like what it says in the bible, then everything else in the bible should be taking for granted and be "ok." But that's not the case
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I'm really not interested in writing a damn novel.sorry.
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Departure is so confusing. How can he say he is a Christian if he does not like God???
Plz sis....
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Originally posted by arkl
First of all, your description lacks a major factor: THE COMMUNITY.
You did not state the town's reaction to the focal highlights of his being as a homosexual.
1. Is he open? or closeted? (Obviously, that was before tying the knot.)
2. Was he treated disdainfully when he declared he's marrying a man?
Seems like YOU'RE the ONLY person making a huge deal out of this. The fact that the man was allowed to take wing of the adopted child's custody with his "partner", its pretty assuming that the society recognized his sexual stance albeit the Bible's so-called homo-restriction.
The answer is right under your nose dude, sniff it!
BTW Kevin, are you Christian? I suppose you believe in all things Bible suggests.
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Why was I ignored? Did I make a valid point?
And I was not given a proper answer!
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Telling a gay person that being homosexual is not natural is the same as telling a black person that being black is not natural or telling a crippled person that being handicapped is not natural. Any book that claims a physical and innate characteristic is a flaw should be thrown out without any further consideration. Whether NE wants to acknowledge it or not, homosexuality is not a conditioned behavior, it's genetic.
With that being said, Kevin please stop. Nobody wants to read your multi-paragraph rants about the same redundant things and the only thing you're achieving is making NE realize how insecure you are about your orientation. Being gay is difficult, yes, but it is really unhealthy the way you dwell on it.
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Originally posted by Departure
Awwww @ you liking me
And why do I go for "you" Christians, when I was brought up as a "Christian" as well? No. I was brought up differently, in a different Church. I was raised to love everyone and everyone and that God loves everyone. Not a God who picks and chooses who he loves based on stuff in a bible.
Also plus the fact, I don't understand how I'm supposed to live my life when all I do is hear Christians telling me I'm going to Hell. How would you like your life if someone told you were doing wrong and you would go to Hell for being who you are. Could you do it?
I didn't accept being gay because of Religion. I'll be honest. I tried being straight. I tried being with girls, which NE disregarded from my post earlier, because he thinks it's such a "choice" to be gay. I finally accepted it around the age 19. but still was kind of in denial because I was scared. People like NE, telling me I'm going to Hell for something I have no control over.
What does he want me to do? Spend the rest of my life alone and unhappy for his God's literature? I don't buy that.
It's NOT a choice to be gay. And if God didn't make you gay, then who did? I didn't choose it. It's not like I'm holding a gun and I have the power to pull the trigger. Being gay isn't like that. It's something that comes from within that we don't understand yet. Nor did God, either. If being gay is done by nature or nurture, what power do we have over that? We can't change that.
You don't choose to fall in love with people. It just happens. You get a tingling feeling inside of you that you haven't felt before. Do you control that feeling inside of you when you are in love? No. But I guess according to NE maybe you do. You guys look at the small picture, when I look at the big picture.
You will get VERY far in life if you do. Time's have changed. People change. I know this. I've seen it before. A alcoholic may be one at one point in life, but in 10 years he could be sober. Some people may have one viewpoint at one time, can't deny that right?, and who says they will keep that viewpoint until forever until end of time? It's not likely to happen. If God hated gay people back then, who says he doesn't now? When times changed?
If people change, why not God? Why do people look into their heart and find compassion for things they've never felt or seen before? Why? Why is the organ (heart) so powerful over the rest? Why do we consider "love" to come from the "heart" and not from any other organ in our body? Why do people forgive? Why do people give out to the people?
No one knows what life is about. But the one thing God gave us, is a heart. Why not use it? Would you look into your heart and send someone to Hell, disregarding the bible, just because they are gay? Probably not. Why does the bible have so much more meaning to life than the heart? I don't get it.
Does the person I work with make them any better than me? Does his/her lifestyle make me any different from the person down the street? What is the point of life if we are all supposed to act and live the same way. Where's the freedom, the free will? Are we supposed to be prisoners held under that bible? Shouldn't we just be robots with no free will then? If we can't stick up for what we believe in, especially the heart, what was God's intention in life then? Was his plan really set up so we're all prisoners at his will and do what says?
I thought we were supposed to be a big family, a big DIVERSE family. Look up that term if you don't know what Diversity means. If we don't have diversity, where is the joy in life? If we never experienced other lifestyles or different things from our life, who could say they learned things from a different part of the community? It's life changing when you see someone dying, but by miracles, they happen to come back up from their flatline. Wouldn't you say so? If your friend was about to die, but somehow managed to live when it was almost impossible for them to stay alive?
Until that day happens, people of all religions and lifestyles, don't take life granted. It's little things like that that changes people and how they perceive the world.
Yes the bible is God's words, but does it really mean it's TRUE and that it's God's point of view until end of time? Weren't black people slaves at one point in time? Never had the rights to do anything? Couldn't do the same things as whites. But because Martin Luther King, who stood up for himself and his community, it took that much just for people to finally see what life is all about. But of course their will always be racists, but life is set up like that.
Do the Ten Commandments mean anything to all of you guys? Does being gay even be simplified at all in them? I don't think so, but yet, we all agree that the Ten Commandments were supposed to be taken literally in all context of time and that is the basics of life. You have to live by them right? Right.
But the bible is more of a biography. More of thoughts. Think about it. If you read the bible, it's about the big and little things back then. About the beginning of time. It's like a journal. Of course, back then, God would say that about homosexuality when life was just beginning and we were not population ourselves. So instead he made the Ten Commandments, that we were supposed to take to heart, to our grave for any generation. Being gay isn't part of that though. But we all agree on that it is the facts of life right?
So why does God's thoughts have so much more meaning than the actual Ten Commandments of life? Obviously if I wrote a biography or a bible RIGHT NOW I would include things that I didn't agree on like how "drugs" and "alcoholics" are taking over the teen community and how I "think" it's not the right way. But, disregarding those behaviors of teenagers, I would take in that it's just a sin that's been created and hate the sin, not the person.
None of you can say whether the bible IS FACT or NOT. You sit here and act like God spoke to you, physically and told you that the what's included in the bible will be taking literally in all times of ages. None of you can prove that. None. So why are you all so "strong" about your valid arguement. Where's your proof?
Have any of you taking a "Logic" class? I have. Got an A. Ohhhh, but I'm dumb right? DUMB! An "A" in LOGIC though. A class about ARGUING and DEBATING. A class most people seemed to struggle in but I went through with a breeze. But I'm dumb right?
To have a valid arguement, you need the most important thing of all. Proof. I'm not saying I have proof. The only proof I have is "MY HEART" and that is enough to figure out the meaning of life. Is it the answer to life? Maybe. But it's enough to figure out what life is all about or get a step forward in life.
You guys believing in the bible and not God physically speaking to you have a invalid arguement. That's like me saying something is true out of a "Harry Potter" book.
Until God speaks to you, you need to DROP the invalid arguement. I have my proof for my VALID arguement and that's my heart. When I say, for instance for you SLOWWWW people, that I'm in love, I can look into my heart and say yes, I'm in love. But you guys go to a book for advice on if you love someone or not?
Go take a Logic class. Learn something. I got an "A" when most people in that class STRUGGLED and received bad grades. I would just love to see these Logic students who passed with "A's" take their viewpoint on this debate. See what they would say. I believe they would agree with me
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That is so long. I can't be bothered reading, sorry
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