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Discussion: Is Katy Perry fading?
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Oh, and you can't use the tour increase as evidence against ALL the declining variables, especially since the last tour took place very early in its era and would have been bigger later in the same era; it's not an accurate comparison.
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Originally posted by Sam
I mean I could understand if she ONLY released three singles from PRISM and none of them reached #1 and one charted outside the Top 40 or something, but 2 #1 hits and 3 other Top 40s is NOT fading.
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!!! It all boils down to the non-arguable, basic facts.
3.6 million albums sold.
2 number one hits that sold around SIX million each.
A tour that will gross 200 million or more.
"She's fading!"
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Originally posted by Arioso
Oh, and you can't use the tour increase as evidence against ALL the declining variables, especially since the last tour took place very early in its era and would have been bigger later in the same era; it's not an accurate comparison.
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Girl what?
The tour started Feb 2011 after CG, TD, and Firework smashed.
That's three (THREE!) number one singles in case you can't count.
It started its US run after ET (FOUR!!!) smashed.
It ended in Jan 2012 after PoM smashed.
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Originally posted by Jety92
Now this is a point.
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Not at all. It's cherrypicking.
Six #1's to two #1's doesn't constitute as fading, are you kidding? She still got 2 #1's. Less successful =/= fading.
Album sales dropped, in a climate where album sales are dropping for EVERYONE beside Taylor Swift. Plus PRISM had a higher opening week than any of her other records.
Her last two singles were fourth and fifth singles, and both have sold over 600k in the US.
Her Grammy performance was a last-minute addition after she headlined the SUPER BOWL HALFTIME SHOW.
Taylor snatched away nothing, the PRISM era was already closing out before the 1989 era began, and Katy's records remain in tact, as you can see here: http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=763015
She was not overshadowed by a shark, HER shark at HER Super Bowl performance went viral, all thanks to KATY PERRY. More proof of her not fading.
Not to mention Roar and Dark Horse being her two biggest hits, going to cross 1 BILLION Vevo views. Cherrypicking.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
ATRL only applies the fading logic to Lady Gaga. Who knows why?
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The accuracy
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Prepare for PRISM: The Double Rainbow Edition
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Originally posted by Sam
Not at all. It's cherrypicking.
Six #1's to two #1's doesn't constitute as fading, are you kidding? She still got 2 #1's. Less successful =/= fading.
Album sales dropped, in a climate where album sales are dropping for EVERYONE beside Taylor Swift. Plus PRISM had a higher opening week than any of her other records.
Her last two singles were fourth and fifth singles, and both have sold over 600k in the US.
Her Grammy performance was a last-minute addition after she headlined the SUPER BOWL HALFTIME SHOW.
Taylor snatched away nothing, the PRISM era was already closing out before the 1989 era began, and Katy's records remain in tact, as you can see here: http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=26666367
She was not overshadowed by a shark, HER shark at HER Super Bowl performance went viral, all thanks to KATY PERRY. More proof of her not fading.
Not to mention Roar and Dark Horse being her two biggest hits, going to cross 1 BILLION Vevo views. Cherrypicking.
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Thank you. I'm going to leave this thread because quite honestly, I'm not going to let a bunch of Little Monsters tell me what 'fading' is.
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less successful = fading
PRISM was much less of a success than TD (fact). So that means she's fading. And unless she turns it around next era this will be viewed as such.
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Originally posted by Bounce
The accuracy
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Nothing about Bang Up's post was accurate though. This thread's existence is proof that the fading logic isn't only applied to Gaga.
And since Gaga was brought up, there was good reason for people to say that she was fading, because she actually was. In the space of three albums she went from 17M albums to 7M albums to >2M albums sold. She had constant, large dips in every aspect of her career that could only be described as fading.
If you think what happened to Gaga from TFM to BTW to ARTPOP is anything like what's happened between Katy from TD to PRISM... I'm sorry but delusional is the only word.
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Originally posted by ezra
less successful = fading
PRISM was much less of a success than TD (fact). So that means she's fading. And unless she turns it around next era this will be viewed as such.
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Less success doesn't always equate to fading though. It can, but they're not one and the same.
Fading means that Katy will soon disappear altogether from the music scene. After scoring two massive WW #1 hits, a very successful tour, Super Bowl performance and gain in star power, she's not going away anytime soon, so sorry to tell you that! Just because she didn't get 6 #1's again does NOT mean that she's going to stop showing the other pop girls how it's done anytime soon.
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Originally posted by Sam
Nothing about Bang Up's post was accurate though. This thread's existence is proof that the fading logic isn't only applied to Gaga.
And since Gaga was brought up, there was good reason for people to say that she was fading, because she actually was. In the space of three albums she went from 17M albums to 7M albums to >2M albums sold. She had constant, large dips in every aspect of her career that could only be described as fading.
If you think what happened to Gaga from TFM to BTW to ARTPOP is anything like what's happened between Katy from TD to PRISM... I'm sorry but delusional is the only word.
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GaGa was consistent throughout her whole career except for ARTPOP she literally sold 7m+ in 2009 2010 2011 and in 2013 when she released ARTPO she underperformed. People called said she's fading in 2012 by the way because of Marry the Night and called BTW an underperfomrance, some actually called it a flop but oh well! The bigger star, the bigger the target.
And Bang Up's post is accurate sorry you don't have the courage to accept it.
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Originally posted by Sam
Less success doesn't always equate to fading though. It can, but they're not one and the same.
Fading means that Katy will soon disappear altogether from the music scene. After scoring two massive WW #1 hits, a very successful tour, Super Bowl performance and gain in star power, she's not going away anytime soon, so sorry to tell you that! Just because she didn't get 6 #1's again does NOT mean that she's going to stop showing the other pop girls how it's done anytime soon.
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Less video views
Less singles sold
50% less albums sold
Only 2 hits rather than 7.
3 singles that did poorly and are career lows for Katy.
How else do you describe this?
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Originally posted by Bounce
GaGa was consistent throughout her whole career except for ARTPOP she literally sold 7m+ in 2009 2010 2011 and in 2013 when she released ARTPO she underperformed. People called said she's fading in 2012 by the way because of Marry the Night and called BTW an underperfomrance, some actually called it a flop but oh well! The bigger star, the bigger the target.
And Bang Up's post is accurate sorry you don't have the courage to accept it.
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So you're saying Marry The Night wasn't fading, when it peaked lower than any of Katy's PRISM era "flops"? Please you're just digging a hole for yourself now.
And yes, the bigger the star, the bigger the target. Guess that's why this thread exists. Katy her power.
It's not accurate and I explained why it's not. It's cherrypicking a couple things to make her look like she's declining on paper, and willingly omitting anything that Katy actually improved on sans the tour comment.
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Originally posted by ezra
Less video views
Less singles sold
50% less albums sold
Only 2 hits rather than 7.
3 singles that did poorly and are career lows for Katy.
How else do you describe this?
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Roar and Dark Horse has more views than any of her vids.
Roar and Dark Horse are two of her biggest sellers.
PRISM has sold more than 50% of TD WW, and album sales are declining. Not an issue.
TD had 8 hits, and PRISM had 5.
#14, #17 and #24 are not "poorly", and her career low is still "Thinking of You" at #29.
I describe it as a gross over-exaggeration from a pop music fan who only knows Top 10 hits as being an indication of whether something is a success or a flop, and any small underperformance being an indication of someone fading.
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She only scored 2 of her biggest hits, most viewed female video, her biggest tour, her biggest first week sales, biggest female hits of their respected years, headlined the Superbowl, and acored a couple other top 20 songs all in her 'fading' stage.
How does she cope with this downfall?
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Originally posted by Haus
Idk, I mean the fact that Roar and Dark Horse were the only hits from Prism is kinda troubling
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ikr!! ONLY two 6 million sellers, #1's, both over 800 million views on youtube.
Ha Artpop era indeed.
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Originally posted by BritKing
She only scored 2 of her biggest hits, most viewed female video, her biggest tour, her biggest first week sales, biggest female hits of their respected years, headlined the Superbowl, and acored a couple other top 20 songs all in her 'fading' stage.
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It doesn't matter that Roar and Dark Horse were huge, quantity over quality!!! She needs 6 or she's fading!! Bye Katy! And it's not like it was hard to outdo her last tour remember, even though she's going to almost quadruple its gross that's not worth noting. Just that it wasn't hard to out-do it!! Flop!
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So 2 6 million selling hits (something almost no other pop girl has)
Most watched Superbowl halftime show ever
A tour grossing $200 million
DH being the biggest female hit of 2014 and most watched female video (2nd of all time on Vevo and 3rd overall)
And this is considered fading.
only on atrl.
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Sadly it would appear so.
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