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News: Court rules university can use race as a factor in admission
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Originally posted by Benzene
Not that corny ass MLK quote making an appearance here. 
Some of y'all are acting as if race is being used to admit any black/Hispanic bum off the street. It's simply a factor in the same way geographic location is, but neither is a definitive factor. If you're not a good candidate, unless you can play sports nothing will help you...well, besides being a legacy, maybe.
I sure hope some of you anti-AA crusaders feel as strongly about legacy admissions, but something tells me y'all don't.  |
Legacy and nepotism has to be one of the worst offenders. I don't understand how it is still being used (outside of the school setting, even with jobs). It only adds to the fact that connections are all you ever really need to get far in life.
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Originally posted by Dancehall
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The TRUTH
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Originally posted by Dancehall
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true.
sometimes it's like this
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Ah, I meant social experiment for others, ala big brother
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Ooh, I see. My mistake then. Disregard that entirely.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
Lol. Just Google Asians and Affirmative Action, and you'll see how many of them are being turned down from top universities because of their race.
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I'm well aware and my viewpoint goes for Ivy Leagues and HBCU's alike. If an asian student with an exceptional academic background applied to an HBCU that is 98% black, it makes perfect sense to give his application special consideration and even priority. Different cultural backgrounds enrich the student body.
Now if you're applying to a school in California, where Asian students make up the mass majority of the Student Body at top colleges (even as a minority) things would be diffferent. Caltech is one of the best schools in the nation and has a 40% asian population. Percentage of Blacks? 0.01%
University of California, Asian Students: 42%, blacks: 0.03%.
Their student body could benefit from more African American students, and would do well by weighing an application heavier of a student of AA descent of similar Academic Achievements heavier than someone of an Asian background of equal achievement when their student body is mostly of Asian decent.
Ironically, most of the complaints about Asians against affirmative action come from California, where the population is the highest.
Either way, my resolve is the same: I believe it's okay for Universities to make a conscious effort to diversify their student body by actively selecting students of different racial backgrounds.
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Originally posted by Topherfy
Legacy and nepotism has to be one of the worst offenders. I don't understand how it is still being used (outside of the school setting, even with jobs). It only adds to the fact that connections are all you ever really need to get far in life.
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That's pretty much the truth, unfortunately.
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Originally posted by Blatboy
If someone is getting in because of race, then someone is not getting in because they aren't that race.
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But no one is getting in BECAUSE of race.
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Originally posted by Topherfy
Legacy and nepotism has to be one of the worst offenders. I don't understand how it is still being used (outside of the school setting, even with jobs). It only adds to the fact that connections are all you ever really need to get far in life.
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It's true and perfectly logical, imo. Between two equal applicants, I'm going to hire/admit the one that I have a connection to over a stranger because the unknown always leaves more room for error/problems. Jobs each have important functions for companies, so it makes sense that hiring would go towards familiar and known people over strangers who could be secretly lazy, sloppy, tardy, etc. It sounds bad, but it makes sense on a case by case basis.
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Originally posted by maiko
I'm well aware and my viewpoint goes for Ivy Leagues and HBCU's alike. If an asian student with an exceptional academic background applied to an HBCU that is 98% black, it makes perfect sense to give his application special consideration and even priority. Different cultural backgrounds enrich the student body.
Now if you're applying to a school in California, where Asian students make up the mass majority of the Student Body at top colleges (even as a minority) things would be diffferent. Caltech is one of the best schools in the nation and has a 40% asian population. Percentage of Blacks? 0.01%
University of California, Asian Students: 42%, blacks: 0.03%
Ironically, most of the complaints about Asians against affirmative action come from California, where the population is the highest.
Either way, my resolve is the same: I believe it's okay for Universities to make a conscious effort to diversify their student body by actively selecting students of different racial backgrounds.
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I think private universities, like Caltech, the Ivies, etc. should be free to choose to admit people in any way they wish. But for public schools like UCal, UMich, UNC, etc, they are supported by tax payer dollars, so they should be admitting people based on grades and maybe some other circumstances like income, hardship, extra currics, etc. Race shouldn't really play into it.
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But no one is getting in BECAUSE of race.
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Do you even know what "can use race as a factor in admission" means?
It means "well, cindy is asian and has done a lot. But we have a lot of asians already. taylor did a lot too, but she's black. Dont got many of those. let's accept her."
You're gonna tell me taylor didnt get in because of race?
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Originally posted by Blatboy
Do you even know what "can use race as a factor in admission" means?
It means "well, cindy is asian and has done a lot. But we have a lot of asians already. taylor did a lot too, but she's black. Dont got many of those. let's accept her."
You're gonna tell me taylor didnt get in because of race?
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No she didn't. Race was just an aspect of hers that was appealing to the adcoms. But as you said "Taylor did a lot". That's the reason she got in, because if she didn't she would go straight to the reject pile. I'm not saying race can't be advantageous in certain instances, but to say that is THE reason one person is accepted is foolish and preposterous.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
It's true and perfectly logical, imo. Between two equal applicants, I'm going to hire/admit the one that I have a connection to over a stranger because the unknown always leaves more room for error/problems. Jobs each have important functions for companies, so it makes sense that hiring would go towards familiar and known people over strangers who could be secretly lazy, sloppy, tardy, etc. It sounds bad, but it makes sense on a case by case basis.
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But sometimes, it isn't between two equal applicants. There are many cases where there is a qualified applicant with no connection, while there is an applicant who is under-qualified, but has the connection that would assure him into the position he is applying to, and will most likely get. That's where the problem lies.
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Originally posted by Topherfy
But sometimes, it isn't between two equal applicants. There are many cases where there is a qualified applicant with no connection, while there is an applicant who is under-qualified, but has the connection that would assure him into the position he is applying to, and will most likely get. That's where the problem lies.
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Well, that's basic networking. I see no problem in hiring someone you may know to reduce your risk of hiring a complete moron.
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Well, that's basic networking. I see no problem in hiring someone you may know and trust and consequently reducing your risk of hiring a completely moron.
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If one is qualified for the position, it kind of negates the fact that they will be a moron (but of course, this isn't always the case).
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Originally posted by Topherfy
But sometimes, it isn't between two equal applicants. There are many cases where there is a qualified applicant with no connection, while there is an applicant who is under-qualified, but has the connection that would assure him into the position he is applying to, and will most likely get. That's where the problem lies.
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there is no guarantee who is better for the job in the end though. Some of the most qualified (resume-wise) people I have seen, turned out to be the biggest slackers/wastes-of-space. On the other hand, I have seen people who didn't even go to college be great at their jobs. Simply going off of "qualified" disqualifies people who may be just as good if not better. Hence why networking and basing decisions off of connections makes sense.
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
there is no guarantee who is better for the job in the end though. Some of the most qualified (resume-wise) people I have seen, turned out to be the biggest slackers/wastes-of-space. On the other hand, I have seen people who didn't even go to college be great at their jobs. Simply going off of "qualified" disqualifies people who may be just as good if not better. Hence why networking and basing decisions off of connections makes sense.
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It's not right though. And in most scenarios, the connections world is not about 'Oh I know Tim, he's great at the job', it's 'I know him, he's alright, give him a pass'. It's not equal opportunity. It stops those who actually are good getting ahead in life. I study Law and they use connections as a way to fast track students to law internships. Now is that right?
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Originally posted by Blatboy
That's how it should be. Acceptance into schools should be strictly based on grades/extra activities. Not your gender, race, etc
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We have that in the UK for our exams, and I think for the first part of uni applications. The issue is interviews show the person, and an ethnic minority will lose out there (look at the Oxford/Cambridge issue over figures of ethnic minority student admissions).
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Tbh I know some people with very poor grades who made it into really good schools (minorities), while some white people with far better grades, ECs and test scores got waitlisted or rejected. That said I think AA is okay; I just think one has to admit that less qualified applicants can get in if they're a minority compared to the other way around.
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People should be admitted on grades only, nothing else. 
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