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Music News: Kanye West "Rihanna is the biggest artist"
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Im happy with Beyonce having a succesful first 3 single from the era then flop
this is what i see:
a)"Rehab" is not taking off as well because Beyonce is back and radio is racist and thinks they should only play one black female singer at a time
b) because the GGGB era will officially be over by late dec/early jan, Beyonce will be able to have a hit with Halo then release a third single and it become a hit!
c)but once Rihanna releAses a fourth album I bet u 1 million dollars that "i Am...Sasha Fierce" will start to flop
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STFU crazy delusional child. Just learn no matter what happens Beyonce is better than Rihanna. They both are great artists but Beyonce had been around alot longer than Rihanna and has a lot more experience in the music business than her so RiRi still has alot to learn from B.
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The sad thing is ... Rihanna's 7th single from her cd (Disturbia) is doing better than Beyonce's first The fact that Rehab is already starting to get *****d on radio means theres a chance her 8th single might be another hit for her.
When Bey gon' do it?
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Member Since: 6/3/2008
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Rihanna= QUEEN! lol
anyways, Rehab is my jam. I hope the video turns out AMAZING. Thing is, it gets released the day before Beyonce's album drops. lol
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Originally posted by Delicious
The sad thing is ... Rihanna's 7th single from her cd (Disturbia) is doing better than Beyonce's first The fact that Rehab is already starting to get *****d on radio means theres a chance her 8th single might be another hit for her.
When Bey gon' do it?
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Grow up please!
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Rihannafan
a)"Rehab" is not taking off as well because Beyonce is back and radio is racist and thinks they should only play one black female singer at a time
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WTF?
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I had the same reaction
Some people...
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nuff with riri im tired of it
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From UKmix quote .. from sum1's blog
Today's entry is about a young lady. She had supermodel looks and a couple of hits under her belt, but she had reached the point in her career where she had something to prove. She was in need of a new image and a sound strong enough to prove herself as a viable music superstar. So she worked with the best producers money could buy, cultivated a sexy image, and was ready to unleash her new album and new image on the world. When it was time to pick her first single she picked an infectious and catchy tune with a guest verse from Jay-Z.
It had a hard beat but didn't skimp on the melody. The song was undeniably modern yet undeniably timeless.
This is about Beyonce's "Crazy In Love"
No.
It's about Rihanna's "Umbrella"
Actually it's about both of those songs.
Two very different artists.
Two very similar, yet very different paths to superstardom.
Both Rihanna and Beyonce have long been touted as rivals, but it wasn't until Kanye West said that Rihanna was the best thing to happen to Beyonce that it became official. It was that thing you were thinking but didn't dare say out loud. And you know what... he might be right.
In terms of actual natural musical ability, they are not even on the same level. Beyonce is a world-class performer, with a powerhouse voice who has dominated charts and stages all over the world for the last decade. You can go to any hair salon, nail salon, church choir, or WIC office and round up about 40 girls who can outsing Rihanna on their worst day.
So because of this, I imagine that after years of hardwork, sacrifices, and proving herself as a dynamic performer and artist, it had to be a gigantic slap in the face for Beyonce to wake up one day and find that her biggest competition was a young tart with the vocal range of a dial tone and stage presence of a cardboard box. Beyonce probably thought "Umbrella" was a fluke. But once Rihanna-mania spread she may have chased Jay around the house with a skillet and cursed him for giving Rihanna the song. 6 millions records, and 6 hit singles later, Beyonce must have felt like this was all an awful nightmare. A nightmare where everybody is tone-deaf and blind, and Rihanna is the Queen of Pop.
Unfortunately, it's not a dream. Rihanna may or may not be the Queen of Pop, but if were going off popularity and worldwide success then Rihanna is the certainly the Queen of the Pop Charts. In the digital-download age of 2008 it doesn't take as much effort to have a big hit as it did 10 years ago. And we learned long ago that you don't need strong musical ability to sell records. Milli Vanilli scored 3 #1 hits on the Hot 100. There are a plethora of elements that go into making a hit record. A strong voice helps, but is not required. As a matter of fact the best vocalists in the world won't get the best productions, mainly because most producers don't want big voices drowining out their beats.
Beyonce is the exception to the rule because she can effortlessly switch her style up. Songs like "Speechless" and "Dangerously in Love" are what gets her praise from critics and legends, but songs like "Upgrade U" and "Get Me Bodied" show that she can ride a beat better than most rappers. That versatility is what helped her transition from Destiny's Child's frontwoman to worldwide megastar.
But being a megastar has its costs.
When you are an internationally known pop AND R&B star like Beyonce, there is an unfair expectation to please ALL of those fans. Millions of fans with millions of different tastes and life experiences, all of them wanting to be satisfied. There is always a huge chance that whatever music you put out will disappoint at least some of your fanbase. Beyonce seems to have found the solution. She has sawed herself in half. There's Beyonce, the person, the daughter, the friend, the wife, who loves hard and deep. Then there's Sasha Fierce, the hypersexual, hyperconfident glamazon who could give a **** about what you think. Two different albums, two different styles, one artist. "If I Were a Boy" seems to be aimed at winning back those pop-inclined and/or overseas fans who left her "B'Day" party a little too early. "Single Ladies" seems to be saying "I have not left my R&B roots, I am not a sellout, please don't boo me at the BET awards."
Rihanna on the other hand didn't really need to hide behind an alter ego to be comfortable with her on-stage sexuality. Her videos and on-stage attire clearly say "My name is Rihanna, I'm not afraid. Look at my crotch."
If it seems as though Rihanna is more daring, bold, or experimental than Beyonce, it's because she didn't have as much to lose. When she released "Good Girl, Gone Bad" there wasn't a "Rihanna Sound" or "Rihanna Image" or anything she was known for. She didn't have a large fan base to appease or disappoint. She was in many ways a brand new artist at a time when people were searching for the Beyonce antidote. Beyonce had already slaughtered the careers of other R&B singers, so we all wondered who would be Beyonce's biggest competition.
Honestly we didn't think the antidote would be Rihanna even though "Umbrella", the video, was a very powerful statement. It was the type of groundbreaking imagery that MTV awards were originally designed for. It belongs in a music video time capsule, representing the best in female music video iconography. Alongside a number of Madonna and Janet videos, and just after "Crazy In Love". Timeless music videos which enhanced the song, re-introduced the artist, and changed the way in which music videos are made and viewed. On the other hand, Umbrella, the song, while also an undeniable classic, demands nothing vocally of Rihanna that could not be delivered by Beyonce, Brandy, Ciara, Ashanti, Christina Milian, or Cassie. And the same can be said of most, if not all of Rihanna's songs. So is it wrong to be a fan of imagery rather than artistry? No. Rihanna is not the first artist to get away with this. And won't be the last. Sometimes it's not at all about the talent. Sometimes it's simply about being the right person, at the right place, at the right time.
After Umbrella blew up MTV deemed Rihanna the "new" queen of R&B. The main problem with that is the fact that up until "Umbrella", Rihanna only had one significant hit on the R&B charts, and she didn't go #1 on the R&B charts until "Take A Bow" which was more or less "Irreplaceable (Part II)". Suddenly, from just one video, and one song, Rihanna becomes the new queen of R&B. It wasn't a fair assesmment. Not just because of Beyonce, but because the word "R&B" only comes into the equation because of the color of Rihanna's skin. "She's black, so she must be R&B. Right?" Rihanna was probably more dumbfounded by this than anyone. Appealing to R&B audiences was ever a top priority for her so she seemed genuinely shocked when won Best R&B Female artist (over Beyonce) at the American Music Awards last year for an album that was mostly dance-pop with a slight rock edge. When she performed at the BET Awards she seemed to be thinking "Ok...What am I doing here?"
She may have been confused, but she capitalized off this confusion. White fans may have felt hip for finally liking the R&B music Beyonce tried to sell them, even if it really wasn't R&B. Black fans who knew better may have felt eclectic and versatile for liking something other than Beyonce.
Which is not to say "Good Girl, Gone Bad" isn't good. Some people call Rihanna a singles artist, but the fact is those great singles had to have come off of a great album. With Good Girl, Gone Bad, Rihanna's hired help undoubtedly created a compelling record, some would say more compelling than any of Beyonce's records. They've definitely created an artist who can take on Beyonce on the charts. On stage however is a different story.
Beyonce does not perform onstage as much she does attack the stage. Her shows are futuristic funk/soul revues. Think Ike and Tina's old shows but with a larger budget and a Versace wardrobe. But if you take away the budget, the wardrobe, and the spectacle you still have a natural all-around entertainer who is eager to please and can sing and move at the same time.
All of Rihanna's performances are basically high fashion photoshoots with back-up dancers. Spontaniety and enthusiasm are not important. For most of her promo tour I thought she had the Umbrella on stage to prop her up because she was putting herself to sleep. Most times it looks as though being onstage is getting in the way of about 76 other things she'd rather be doing. My favorite performance of hers was her take on Madonna's "Vogue" at Fashion Rocks. But she didn't sing live, and for most of the performance she was either standing in one spot or being carried around by her dancers as if she couldn't be bothered to use her legs. I guess for a song named after such a high-energy movement I expected well... high energy and movement. Basically what you have is a dance artist, who has become hugely popular from dance music, but who can't really dance.
Does this make Beyonce a better entertainer?
Well, that depends on what your definition of a great performance is. There are quite a few people who think Britney Spears can outperform both Beyonce and Rihanna (we should devote a whole week to those people). Clearly these people have different opinions on what makes a good performance. Snatch a 13 year old girl out of a Hannah Montana concert, and send her to a Beyonce concert and see what happens. All of Sasha Fierce's soul shouting, gyrating, and gospel wailing may scare the **** out of them. But Rihanna's narcoleptic peformances have pyro, catchy songs, and funky outfits to distract you from her shortcomings and it may be the best thing in the world to a person with no real concept of the history of soul music, performance and instrumentation.
At the end of the day it's about personal taste. I can post reviews from Beyonce's concerts and compare them to Rihanna's and it really wouldn't matter. As Beyonce's husband (and Rihanna's mentor) said "Men Lie, Women Lie, Numbers Don't." And clearly live performances are not that important to a Rihanna fan, so I can post a million positive Beyonce reviews and it won't hold any weight. At the end of the day
numbers are what's always going to be true deciding factor, and Rihanna has strong numbers on her side.
Which is not to say that Beyonce doesn't care about numbers. It's just that Rihanna and Beyonce seem to have different philosophies on how to market themselves to the public.
Beyonce has let it known that she wants to be an icon, and she has certainly earned the title. Her success has come after years of hard work, blood, sweat, and tears under her belt, grinding it out with Destiny's Child for 15 years, losing Star Search, and working tirelessly by perfoming on any and every stage just to get a record deal.
Rihanna, on the other hand, appeared in one pageant/talent show pageant before getting a record deal.
So why does Rihanna at times seem more appealing?
To steal a quote from Family Guy, Beyonce "insists upon herself." She's GOING to be an icon whether you like or not. And you WILL like her and you WILL respect her and you WILL accept her greatness, and you WILL buy the deluxe DVD edition, and the 2 movies, and the world tour, and whatever products she's endorsing this week.
Rihanna, on the other hand could care less about being an icon. She just seems to breeze effortlessly from style to style like a little girl playing dress-up.
Beyonce is determined to go down in the history books.
Rihanna's attitude toward her career seems to be "Sure, why not?"
"So Rihanna, you wanna go to America and record an album?
"Sure, why not?"
"Hey I got this song called "Umbrella" Mary didn't want it and Britney didn't want it. You wanna record it?
"Sure, why not?"
You wanna cut all your hair off?
"Sure, why not?"
"You wanna wear this G-string on stage with 2 stickers on your nipples?
"Sure, why not?"
Another reason that Rhianna-mania has been able to spread is because of the level of information known about the two. We know everything about Beyonce, or we THINK we know everything about Beyonce. She has actually divulged very little about her personal life. We do know who her parents are, who her sister is, we know that Jay was the first person to sample her Creole Catfish, we even know her assistant's name (wassup Angie). This all amounts to over 50 million pages of gossip, rumors, and innuendo which can be overwhelming even for the strongest Beyonce stan.
We don't know a lot about Rihanna. All we know is that she's from Barbados and she likes Chris Brown's balls. There's not a lot of extra information distracting us from her music, so it's a little easier to enjoy it.
Everything Beyonce does and says is second-guessed, chopped, and screwed. And she IS heavily resented because she has made it very difficult for other R&B artists to sustain their careers. So some people may like Rihanna just because after all the artists who lost their battles with Beyonceitis, Rihanna was the first person to shake Beyonce up. Most of the negative attention Beyonce gets is not fair but I'm assuming that she has already learned that life isn't fair. If life were fair then it would be just about the talent and Rihanna would be Beyonce's stylist, not her musical competition. But sometimes life just isn't fair, and if it inspires Beyonce to be a better artist and entertainer then I say we should be grateful.
So, in many ways Rihanna has probably helped Beyonce. Was she the best thing to ever happen to Beyonce? Maybe. Do Beyonce stans hate Rihanna? No. Quite a number of us like her and the music she is apart of. Beyonce stans don't hate Rihanna, we just hate the fact that we live in a world that doesn't know the difference between a Beyonce and a Rihanna.
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Like hell did I read that enitre post but I read the first bit.
I dont think anyone expected it but Rihanna really is on the same level as Beyonce in terms of success. Rihanna did really well with the GGGB album, even if the promotion/singles were a little ad hoc. Rihanna carried on releasing singles and videos like there was no tommorrow and it paid off! Many major artists fizzle out with their third video but Rihanna is on her eighth single and is still taking off quicker than some artists releasing their debuts.
Beyonce hasnt impressed me since 2003. "Halo" is the only song that has interested me since "Crazy In Love" and "Dangerously In Love". But "Halo" still wont be enough, "I Am...." wont be as successful as GGGB. Rihanna is the new Queen!
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I read the entire thing.
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You can go to any hair salon, nail salon, church choir, or WIC office and round up about 40 girls who can outsing Rihanna on their worst day.
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See, RnB?
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Beyonce stans don't hate Rihanna, we just hate the fact that we live in a world that doesn't know the difference between a Beyonce and a Rihanna.
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This I agree with...
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With Good Girl, Gone Bad, Rihanna's hired help undoubtedly created a compelling record, some would say more compelling than any of Beyonce's records.
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This I also agree with.
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Beyonce stans don't hate Rihanna, we just hate the fact that we live in a world that doesn't know the difference between a Beyonce and a Rihanna.
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That counts for very few ppl. Alot of the Beyonce fans hate her because they're mad her songs do better & somehow feel threatened.
I skimmed it but i liked how they set the record straight from the beginning. Beyonce is the better performer, has more stage presence, more talent, Rihanna isnt that great of a singer etc etc, whenever ppl compare them they always feel the need to drag that up like Rihanna fans dont already know that. Its basically the Britney vs Christina argument all over, "OMGZ Britney cants sing, Christina is more talented!!!!" - Britney fans know this. Who has the better voice doesnt matter, at the end of the day people buy records because they like the songs, having "talent" is pretty irrelevant.
Thats probably what upsets Bey fans.
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its true notice that both beyonce and rihanna arent doing suberb cauze both of them are out no
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No its not lol one of the best pop songs this decade.
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No . Its Toxic
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Originally posted by Delicious
That counts for very few ppl. Alot of the Beyonce fans hate her because they're mad her songs do better & somehow feel threatened.
I skimmed it but i liked how they set the record straight from the beginning. Beyonce is the better performer, has more stage presence, more talent, Rihanna isnt that great of a singer etc etc, whenever ppl compare them they always feel the need to drag that up like Rihanna fans dont already know that. Its basically the Britney vs Christina argument all over, "OMGZ Britney cants sing, Christina is more talented!!!!" - Britney fans know this. Who has the better voice doesnt matter, at the end of the day people buy records because they like the songs, having "talent" is pretty irrelevant.
Thats probably what upsets Bey fans.
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Well i dont hate Rihanna because of that. I hate Rihanna cus i think she's very talent-less.! As everyone knows...Rihanna put out two mediocore albums before she actually started having success. She was more than likely on the risk of gettin dropped from her label. The success she's had wasn't because of her, it was because of her label. People said Rihanna is a hustla...HELL NO...her label are hustlers. She was pimped with her last album cus she put vocals on tracks and didn't get any profit from it. She didn't write a damn thing on her last album so those #1's was due to someone else. All she did was put some vocals over a beat..which i might add...SOUNDED HORRIBLE cus she can't sing to save her life. So before yall try and say Rihanna is better than Beyonce or even think about comparin the two..look @ how hard Beyonce's worked to get where she is today and you'll realize how everything Rihanna has now was HANDED to her.
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Originally posted by Travis1308
Well i dont hate Rihanna because of that. I hate Rihanna cus i think she's very talent-less.! As everyone knows...Rihanna put out two mediocore albums before she actually started having success. She was more than likely on the risk of gettin dropped from her label. The success she's had wasn't because of her, it was because of her label. People said Rihanna is a hustla...HELL NO...her label are hustlers. She was pimped with her last album cus she put vocals on tracks and didn't get any profit from it. She didn't write a damn thing on her last album so those #1's was due to someone else. All she did was put some vocals over a beat..which i might add...SOUNDED HORRIBLE cus she can't sing to save her life. So before yall try and say Rihanna is better than Beyonce or even think about comparin the two..look @ how hard Beyonce's worked to get where she is today and you'll realize how everything Rihanna has now was HANDED to her.
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lol you basically proved that IS really why you hate Rihtard. Her basically being handed a successful career with a lack of talent, right? Right.
Whos next?
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Yeah but still Beyonce>>>>Rihanna.
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