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Poll: Bigger cultural impact: Tik Tok or Bad Romance?
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Kesha
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gaga
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Receipts for that figure would be appreciated.
This thread is not about sales, it says so in the OP.
Gangnam Style wasn't a hit song because of the song, it only blew up because of the video and because people thought it was funny. Nobody quotes the lyrics because nobody knows what is says (besides "Oppa Gangnam Style" or whatever) and the dance. There were multiple things that made the song a hit and least of them was the song itself. It was a phenomenon I agree, which I why I don't consider it comparable to TiK ToK as the biggest song of the last 5 years as it was so much more than that. That would be like saying an album track on 21 was the biggest song of the last 5 years because it sold more than TiK ToK... it's not comparable.
All three of those songs (Happy, Rolling In The Deep, TiK ToK) went #1 for weeks WW... not sure how you think one did better than the other in that regard? Rolling In The Deep is not quoted it's sung there's a difference ("We could have had it all" and "Don't stop, make it pop" are like not even comparable in terms of any kind of iconic) and TiK ToK was just as mass-appealing as Happy. I think you're forgetting JUST how big it was since it was released 5 years ago as apposed to Happy's 1 (not even) and RITD's 3 or so.
This Happy and Rolling In The Deep impact you're talking about really isn't that big.
Word of advice: saying "Just stop" as one of your arguments really isn't a very good idea and just makes it look as if you're running out of options.
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Rolling In the Deep sold more and Happy did way better in Europe, Australia, Asia and possibly more. That's why their their bigger songs.
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Speaking of YouTube sensations, Psy’s breakthrough hit “Gangnam Style” remained in the top five for the second year running, selling 9.5 million copies in 2013 - an incredible 22 million total units since its 2012 release. Ensuring an all-male top three was Avicii who’s summer anthem “Wake Me Up” sold 8 million copies.
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http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=491993
So what if Gangnam Style was known for its dance? It was still a bigger song than Tik Tok and the bigger sensation. And I'm saying "just stop" because it's foolish that I have to argue this in the first place or that you actually think Tik Tok is some untouchable hit when it's been toppled many times even this decade. I never even brought up "impact" because that is subjective and stupid. By the facts of it all, the 3 songs I listed were bigger than Tik Tok and whatever lasting impact Tik Tok is having on society right now is minuscule in the grand scope of things. It had some nice memes, but people moved on to other things to talk about.
But if we're discussing 'impact' Rolling In The Deep destroyed the sound Gaga and Ke$ha popularized and brought back 'real music' being popular. Dance-pop was over once Adele blew up with that song. Happy is just like Tik Tok in the sense that both songs are huge but didn't do much outside of being hit songs. But at the end of the day, Happy was bigger than Tik Tok off of what matters.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Everyone knows Gangnam Style was a fad. It was MASSIVE for a portion of time and it's fun to look back at for novelty purposes but its impact was very short-lived and instantaneous. It was a viral sensation, not a successful song with cultural impact in its own right.
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Gangnam Style hit 2 Billion views last month, first video to do that. It's still going strong.
It had a cultural impact for many reasons, it's a dance craze song. There's a **** ton of how to and dancing Gangnam style videos on youtube with 20-500 million views on youtube. But it's SO much more than that.
GS has entire pages on Wiki about it's Cultural impact.
Economic impact for South Korea:
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In 2012, the South Korean government announced that "Gangnam Style" had brought in $13.4 million to the country’s audio sector, and it subsequently launched a campaign to further expand the K-Pop music industry overseas. According to the Bank of Korea, the country's services account recorded a surplus of USD 2.3 billion in the first nine months of this year, compared to a deficit of USD 4.5 billion last year.
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Changed US charts:
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The Harvard Business Review published an article written by Kevin Evers, who explained how "Gangnam Style" had changed Billboard's ranking methodology of its music charts. Instead of relying solely on radio plays and paid purchases, Billboard started to place a heavier emphasis on digital sales and YouTube views
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I won't quote it but there's a huge section about increased interest in Korean Wave, and it's noticeable where lots of people invested lots of money after GS (not at all limited to K-pop and bringing it to other markets.)
This is cultural impact, and there is no better example for it than GS. Think The Motto by Drake for another great example for giving us "YOLO".
For more examples of cultural impact:
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On September 18, 2012, the North Korean government became the first to use "Gangnam Style" for political activism when it uploaded a parody with the title "I'm Yushin style!" onto the government website Uriminzokkiri. The parody mocks the South Korean ruling conservative party presidential-elect Park Geun-hye. It shows a Photoshopped image of the presidential candidate performing the dance moves of "Gangnam Style" and labels her as a devoted admirer of the Yushin system of autocratic rule set up by her father, Park Chung-hee.
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Activism:
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In Chile, the dance was also used by students during massive protests across the country and the Chinese dissident Ai Weiwei, who was detained by Chinese authorities in 2011 for his political activism, danced "Gangnam Style" with a pair of handcuffs as a symbol of his arrest and uploaded a video titled "Grass Mud Horse Style" onto YouTube and other Chinese websites. According to the Associated Press, government authorities had removed the video from most websites the next day.
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There's literally hundreds of these examples of, honest to God, cultural impact.
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Gangnam Style as a phenomenon had far more impact than TiK ToK, obviously. As a song, no. They're not one and the same, and if you believe they are, then there's no point in me arguing my case anymore because we won't get anywhere. People don't buy Gangnam Style, stream Gangnam Style, because of the song, it's because of the video, the dance, the craze around it, etc. But that's just my opinion.
Rolling In The Deep has not sold more than TiK ToK WW. I live in Australia and I can tell you that TiK ToK did better than Happy as it allowed basically all of her singles since to smash here. Kesha's still very relevant in Australia today, I hear all of her big hits on the radio regularly. I haven't heard any other Pharrell songs beside Happy and perhaps Get Lucky occasionally, but that was more popular when it was released. Not even exaggerating here, but I hear TiK ToK on the radio here more than Happy.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I find ATRL's double standard/hypocrisy when it comes to Lady Gaga hilarious. One minute you have people saying she peaked with 'Bad Romance' and that she'll never have anything quite like 'Bad Romance' ever again and the next minute you've got people saying things like, "no one remembers 'Bad Romance' anymore."
'Tik Tok' was a big hit and that's it. 'Bad Romance' was a big hit and a cultural phenomenon. It's what pushed Gaga from popstar to mega-popstar. 'Tik Tok' did nothing for Ke$ha as a popstar. It didn't lead her to sell 1m copies first week with her next record. It didn't lead her to gross over $400m on tour. It didn't lead to Grammys, critical acclaim, or one of the biggest popstar peaks in history. It didn't do anything at all other than top the charts. 'Bad Romance' was when people turned their head and started paying attention to Gaga. It's when record producers started saying "wow, we've gotta pay attention to this girl". After that, even Ke$ha herself started dressing like Gaga because everyone wanted a piece of her success.
Deny it all you want, Gaga is four hundred times more successful than Ke$ha ever will be and it's all because of what 'Bad Romance' did for her.
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This. And when similar threads were opened in 2011 and 2012 - Bad Romance beat Tik Tok.
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109635
http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=254870
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Gangnam Style as a phenomenon had far more impact than TiK ToK, obviously. As a song, no. They're not one and the same, and if you believe they are, then there's no point in me arguing my case anymore because we won't get anywhere. People don't buy Gangnam Style, stream Gangnam Style, because of the song, it's because of the video, the dance, the craze around it, etc. But that's just my opinion.
Rolling In The Deep has not sold more than TiK ToK WW. I live in Australia and I can tell you that TiK ToK did better than Happy as it allowed basically all of her singles since to smash here. Kesha's still very relevant in Australia today, I hear all of her big hits on the radio regularly. I haven't heard any other Pharrell songs beside Happy and perhaps Get Lucky occasionally, but that was more popular when it was released. Not even exaggerating here, but I hear TiK ToK on the radio here more than Happy.
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Happy is 8x platinum in Australia (and is still selling) and Tik Tok 5x platinum.
Rolling in the Deep outsold Tik Tok in EVERY continent except Germany.
I'm just. But whatever, this has veered way too off topic.
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Originally posted by pika
in EVERY continent except Germany.
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Originally posted by Dancehall
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Meant to say country, but still.
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Originally posted by pika
Gangnam Style sold 22 million copies WW, it's the best selling digital song of all time, literally.
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Who on earth would believe this?
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Tik Tok was everywhere for a long time.
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Originally posted by Baby Boy
The one that doesn't only appeal to suicidal gays and outcasts, Tik Tok.
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And since when does Bad Romance appeals to only suicdal gays and outcats? What a pathetic comment I guess the 12M people that bought the song are suicidal gays and the 591M views are from suicidal gays too? And the 181M views for Tik Tok came from party people only??
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Originally posted by Baby Boy
The one that doesn't only appeal to suicidal gays and outcasts, Tik Tok.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I find ATRL's double standard/hypocrisy when it comes to Lady Gaga hilarious. One minute you have people saying she peaked with 'Bad Romance' and that she'll never have anything quite like 'Bad Romance' ever again and the next minute you've got people saying things like, "no one remembers 'Bad Romance' anymore."
'Tik Tok' was a big hit and that's it. 'Bad Romance' was a big hit and a cultural phenomenon. It's what pushed Gaga from popstar to mega-popstar. 'Tik Tok' did nothing for Ke$ha as a popstar. It didn't lead her to sell 1m copies first week with her next record. It didn't lead her to gross over $400m on tour. It didn't lead to Grammys, critical acclaim, or one of the biggest popstar peaks in history. It didn't do anything at all other than top the charts. 'Bad Romance' was when people turned their head and started paying attention to Gaga. It's when record producers started saying "wow, we've gotta pay attention to this girl". After that, even Ke$ha herself started dressing like Gaga because everyone wanted a piece of her success.
Deny it all you want, Gaga is four hundred times more successful than Ke$ha ever will be and it's all because of what 'Bad Romance' did for her.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
I find ATRL's double standard/hypocrisy when it comes to Lady Gaga hilarious. One minute you have people saying she peaked with 'Bad Romance' and that she'll never have anything quite like 'Bad Romance' ever again and the next minute you've got people saying things like, "no one remembers 'Bad Romance' anymore."
'Tik Tok' was a big hit and that's it. 'Bad Romance' was a big hit and a cultural phenomenon. It's what pushed Gaga from popstar to mega-popstar. 'Tik Tok' did nothing for Ke$ha as a popstar. It didn't lead her to sell 1m copies first week with her next record. It didn't lead her to gross over $400m on tour. It didn't lead to Grammys, critical acclaim, or one of the biggest popstar peaks in history. It didn't do anything at all other than top the charts. 'Bad Romance' was when people turned their head and started paying attention to Gaga. It's when record producers started saying "wow, we've gotta pay attention to this girl". After that, even Ke$ha herself started dressing like Gaga because everyone wanted a piece of her success.
Deny it all you want, Gaga is four hundred times more successful than Ke$ha ever will be and it's all because of what 'Bad Romance' did for her.
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Well said
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Originally posted by pika
Happy is 8x platinum in Australia (and is still selling) and Tik Tok 5x platinum.
Rolling in the Deep outsold Tik Tok in EVERY continent except Germany.
I'm just. But whatever, this has veered way too off topic.
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How many more times does it need to be stated that sales =/= impact?
Happy may have sold more, but will Happy still be relevant in 5 years time? My (educated) guess is no. It's a recent hit. A smash one, but it has no cultural impact (see thread title) outside of being a catchy song that a lot of people bought (sales not counted in cultural impact, see OP).
If that's true about Rolling In The Deep, why did TiK ToK outsell it WW? I'm sure Germany isn't that big of a continent. ()
Still waiting on those receipts for the 22 million Gangnam Style sells, btw.
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TiK ToK for sure.
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
TiK ToK is THE biggest song of the last 5 years.
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I wouldn't go that far though, don't forget Rolling In The Deep, Gangnam Style, Party Rock, were bigger.
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Tik Tok
In school no one talked about Bad Romance and I knew several gays
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outside of being a catchy song that a lot of people bought
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This applies to Tik Tok
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If that's true about Rolling In The Deep, why did TiK ToK outsell it WW?
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You are literally the only one who believes this. It sold more in the US, UK, Canada, France, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Belgium, Italy, New Zealand, Switzerland and more (it's literally on their wiki pages and in their receipts threads).
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Still waiting on those receipts for the 22 million Gangnam Style sells, btw.
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I already posted a quote and a link to the thread it came from. It was reported by Universal that it sold 22 million copies WW. http://atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=491993
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Originally posted by Sam Jay
Laughing because it's true?
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Nope, laughing because of your delusion. To say that Ti kTok is the biggest song from the last 5 years is just pathetic when Poker Face, Bad Romance, Rolling In The Deep, Gagnam Style, Thrift Shop exist
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Chill guys...
Anyways, TiK ToK.
It had a much better impact than BR with the talk-singing part, the autotune, the fact it was a party song and hum.... you know THAT ****ING LYRICS.
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Wake up in the morning feeling like P. Diddy
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Now the party won't start till I walk in
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Originally posted by rihannasbe$tfrnd
Tik Tok blew up the whole party movement that lasted many years
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That would have been Just Dance. Ke$ha basically owes her career to Gaga blowing up.
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