She said it in an interview somewhere. Can't remember where. Maybe Howard Stern. She said her hip was in pain and she smoked a lot every day to numb the pain.
"I was smoking 15 joints a day. No tobacco. A day," she told the U.K.'s Attitude magazine, per Reuters. "It was a habit that eventually occurred when the pain got so bad with the hip. I was just numbing, numbing, numbing myself and then sleeping it off and then getting on stage, killing it in pain, then getting off and smoking, smoking, smoking, not knowing what the pain was."
Yeah your drug dealer ain't gonna accept payment in the form of self-proclaimed I.O.U.s.
Whether intentionally or not (I think the former) she was glamorizing the idea of fame and riches either way.
I don't understand what you're trying to say? She pretty clearly explains what BDR is about. She even sings in the song "but we got no money". That was literally her entire campaign the whole Fame era, proclaiming your own inner fame, regardless of how much money you have. She talked about how she and her friends would go out, walk the streets and fool people into thinking they were famous people just because of the way they dressed and carried themselves (this was before she was famous).
People who don't do drugs call marijuana "dope." People who do marijuana call heroin "dope."
I understand "dope" to mean heroin. But it doesn't matter what the word itself actually means. It's all about context. And in this context, I'm positive Gaga wanted it to be interpreted as meaning "marijuana." I highly doubt she wanted people to think she was singing about heroin or cocaine. Even if it really is about cocaine.
Leaving them both on the album is an incredibly honest representation of drug usage. There's a reason MJH is right before Dope on the tracklist. MJH is having fun and enjoying the drugs, and Dope is the aftermath.
Dope is about weed guys, not heroin or coke. She used to do cocaine before she was famous and at the beginning of her career, but she quit. Listen to the Sirius Track By Track commentary someone posted on the previous page, and the video I posted (mainly the Sirius commentary) she explains both songs really well and their relation to each other.
i was poking fun at your logic at Gaga having young and impressionable fans who don't understand the thematic premises of the things she does.
Well, I do think that. I think there would be some impressionable 12-14 year olds who would hear 'Mary Jane Holland' and think "I want to try marijuana" without caring about the themes in 'Dope.' That might have been her writing journey, but it doesn't guarantee that it will be every listeners' listening journey.
Leaving them both on the album is an incredibly honest representation of drug usage. There's a reason MJH is right before Dope on the tracklist. MJH is having fun and enjoying the drugs, and Dope is the aftermath.
Well, I do think that. I think there would be some impressionable 12-14 year olds who would hear 'Mary Jane Holland' and think "I want to try marijuana" without caring about the themes in 'Dope.' That might have been her writing journey, but it doesn't guarantee that it will be every listeners listening journey.
Oh shut up, I'm 13 and MJH hasn't made me go out and smoke weed. I could get it if I really wanted to. You make ppl my age sound dumb and you sound like a white mom.
cos he thinks only gaga should have to make records for the little kids apparently
Just because she's not making records for young teenagers doesn't mean they're not paying attention. What part of this don't you understand? And when I write from the context of my own perspective, "younger" means younger than myself. I'm 22. When I say "younger" I don't mean younger than you. I don't know how old you are but you seem to think "younger" means 7 year olds. It doesn't.
Just because they're not "tween friendly" doesn't mean that tweens don't pay attention to them. What, do you think people turn 13-14 and go "music?! What's this?! Oh my god! This is amazing! Mum! Dad! Have you heard of this thing called "music"?! It's SO good!"
I listen to a lot of artists. I'm also 22 years old. I started really listening to mainstream pop music around the age of 6. Was it directed at me? Was it marketed to me? No. Just because it's not "tween-friendly" doesn't mean that tweens aren't listening to it and paying attention.
yes kids listen to music
i did
but artists should not censor themselves in case some young person comes along & pays attention to the lyrics
& that includes gaga
lots of artists sing songs about drugs so why r u attacking her for it & no one else?
I don't understand what you're trying to say? She pretty clearly explains what BDR is about. She even sings in the song "but we got no money". That was literally her entire campaign the whole Fame era, proclaiming your own inner fame, regardless of how much money you have. She talked about how she and her friends would go out, walk the streets and fool people into thinking they were famous people just because of the way they dressed and carried themselves (this was before she was famous).
They have no money because they spent it all on drugs and partying lol. Also, wasn't Stefani also living on her father's dole during that time? Even the idea that fame is something to which you ought to aspire and feel about yourself is inherently glamorizing it.
Then why aren't you criticizing all other artists that sing about sex, drugs, and other things that can be misunderstood by "younger, more impressionable fans"?
Because this is about Gaga and the potential hypocrisy of glamourising drugs and then singing about how they're actually bad for you. I don't approve of Rihanna or Miley's drug use and how they glamourise it to their younger, more impressionable fans either. But that's an entirely separate issue. The discussion of this thread is whether or not what Gaga did with MJH and Dope was hypocritical. I don't approve of Miley and Rihanna's public drug use, but at least they're consistent with it and don't say "do it, actually don't." There's a consistent message of "IDGAF" and not a mixed-message that could be perceived as hypocritical.
@12:16 Gaga herself explains Mary Jane Holland and Dope
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Here she is talking about both songs, and their juxtaposition on the album. The guy asks her about why they're next to each other and if they contradict each other.
Well, I do think that. I think there would be some impressionable 12-14 year olds who would hear 'Mary Jane Holland' and think "I want to try marijuana" without caring about the themes in 'Dope.' That might have been her writing journey, but it doesn't guarantee that it will be every listeners' listening journey.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Just because she's not making records for young teenagers doesn't mean they're not paying attention. What part of this don't you understand? And when I write from the context of my own perspective, "younger" means younger than myself. I'm 22. When I say "younger" I don't mean younger than you. I don't know how old you are but you seem to think "younger" means 7 year olds. It doesn't.
ur 22? really?
no one hears one song & just goes out looking for drugs
i cant help but think ur trolling & for ur sake i really hope u are
like i said before, no artist should censor themselves & also i can think of a lot of worse things teenagers could be doing besides smoking weed
yes kids listen to music
i did
but artists should not censor themselves in case some young person comes along & pays attention to the lyrics
& that includes gaga
lots of artists sing songs about drugs so why r u attacking her for it & no one else?
I'm not attacking her. I'm asking if it's hypocritical to glamourise it to your fans and then tell those same fans it's bad for you. I don't approve of Miley Cyrus and Rihanna glamourising the use of drugs either. I think it makes them bad role models to impressionable, young fans. But that's not the issue at hand here. The issue at hand here is whether or not it's hypocritical and other artists aren't hypocritical. They have their convictions and are either pro-drugs or anti-drugs. They don't flip-flop and have a mixed-message that they're conveying to their fans.
I'm not bashing Gaga. I'm just trying to discuss whether or not it's hypocritical, which, in my opinion it is. She should have picked a side of the argument (pro-drugs with MJH or anti-drugs with Dope) and then chosen to release only that song.
ur 22? really? cos u sound 12 tbh
no one hears one song & just goes out looking for drugs
i cant help but think ur trolling & for ur sake i really hope u are
like i said before, no artist should censor themselves & also i can think of a lot of worse things teenagers could be doing besides smoking weed
wot do u mean i sound 12 when ur the one writing like this
I'm not trolling. And I don't sound 12. Come up with a more original insult next time. Or, don't insult someone at all? Engage in a mature, intellectual debate with them. That's how you avoid "sounding 12."
You're underestimating how impressionable teenagers are. There are worse things teenagers could be doing besides smoking weed, but marijuana is a gateway drug that leads to far worse things. I've seen my fair share of **** and have found myself in some really ****ed up situations, to put it mildly, since turning 18 and I can't help but think I would have never found myself in such precarious positions had I not experimented with marijuana and alcohol at such a young age.
They have no money because they spent it all on drugs and partying lol. Also, wasn't Stefani also living on her father's dole during that time? Even the idea that fame is something to which you ought to aspire and feel about yourself is inherently glamorizing it.
I feel like you're trying to make something out of nothing here. The album is about glamorizing fame, yes, but Gaga's definition of it (the internal fame thing), because she wrote it when she wasn't famous. It's not about literal fame.
The Fame Monster though, her second release, is about real fame. It's about 8 fears (or monsters) she encountered/experienced while she was starting to experience real fame.
And no she wasn't. She talked about how she didn't want their help and got several jobs on her own.
Here she is talking about both songs, and their juxtaposition on the album. The guy asks her about why they're next to each other and if they contradict each other.
It definitely tells a story as far as the track-listing is concerned, but you have to bare in mind people aren't always going to listen to the album sequentially. More often than not, people will listen to the tracks independently and won't think of the message of 'Dope' when listening to 'MJH.'
wot do u mean i sound 12 when ur the one writing like this
I'm not trolling. And I don't sound 12. Come up with a more original insult next time. Or, don't insult someone at all? Engage in a mature, intellectual debate with them. That's how you avoid "sounding 12."
You're underestimating how impressionable teenagers are. There are worse things teenagers could be doing besides smoking weed, but marijuana is a gateway drug that leads to far worse things. I've seen my fair share of **** and have found myself in some really ****ed up situations, to put it mildly, since turning 18 and I can't help but think I would have never found myself in such precarious positions had I not experimented with marijuana and alcohol at such a young age.
i deleted that part cos i realized how rude it was so i apologize for that
i shouldnt have said it
i will say im 18 & have been thru my share of drugs & by no means was it a song that led me that way
i still smoke mj now but its the only "drug" i do anymore & i use it for health reasons
mj is only a "gateway" drug becos no one just starts off snorting coke but that doesnt mean anyone who smokes will turn into a drug addict
obviously we disagree here but i dont think gaga did anything wrong