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Poll: Lady Gaga vs Taylor Swift : Better Songwriter ?
View Poll Results: Better songwriter
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Gaga the one and only Queen of Pop !
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Taylor
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by boodytay
OK, the bolded part is getting annoying. This a discussion, people are supposed to state their opinions
Trying to be creative and ending up accidentally messy can be applauded and appreciated. However, approaching the topic you want to write about without much understanding/knowledge of the topic you're trying and ending up, expectedly, writing messy lyrics and doing it over and over again is not something to applaud or even appreciate. Make sure you understand what you're gonna write about so that the product ends up as unmessy as it could possibly be. And that has nothing with being a perfectionist. It's like applying for a job as a cardiologist without bothering to study cardiology. Understanding what you're doing is one of the basic of any occupation, including songwriting.
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Yes but if it's nothing but your opinion then the argument has no weight, unless you can actually come up with some objective points.
Why are we assuming that Gaga doesn't understand what she is writing about? Artpop isn't actually an album about art, Gaga clarified this ages ago. Most of it is about herself, are you saying she does not understand herself?
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Originally posted by boodytay
No, you can't. Albums are not made for you to pick a 2/3 songs sent to radio to judge an artist's full discography and style, and this is something very understandable, obvious and not something in need of any further explanation. If you think you can do otherwise, well you have a problem.
Next.
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I agree with this, though. singles are singles, not the albums. you have to listen to at least 50% of an album to have an opinion on it (unless you just don't like the genre).
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Member Since: 6/30/2012
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Originally posted by boodytay
No, you can't. Albums are not made for you to pick a 2/3 songs sent to radio to judge an artist's full discography and style, and this is something very understandable, obvious and not something in need of any further explanation. If you think you can do otherwise, well you have a problem.
Next.
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This tbh
Most of Taylor's masterpieces aren't even singles.
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Member Since: 9/13/2012
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Originally posted by Rusty
Except Taylor's songs aren't well written (at least the few I've heard):
Gaga's second verse of Dope alone > anything I've heard from Taylor.
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If you're gonna pick and choose we can just use the bridge from Judas
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Judas kiss me if offensed
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Offensed is not a damn word. Taylor doesn't need to make up words to make things rhyme.
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Originally posted by Rusty
I alluded to having heard a few. I'm not listening to Taylor Swift's discography, I can form my opinion from the singles I've heard. I'd never consider her a poor songwriter, but I'd take Gaga over her considering Gaga writes about more diverse topics, gives far better hooks and, while she has plenty of messiness in her repertoire, Taylor's style is exhaustingly safe next to Gaga's so I'd take bumps in the road for the sake of variety.
Neither can touch my fav, but that's neither here nor there. Next.
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So in that sense, if someone judged Gaga's entire discography off 3-4 singles alone that'd be enough for their opinion to be valid and not unfair in the slightest? Are you serious?
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Originally posted by Mikeymoonshine
Yes but if it's nothing but your opinion then the argument has no weight, unless you can actually come up with some objective points.
Why are we assuming that Gaga doesn't understand what she is writing about? Artpop isn't actually an album about art, Gaga clarified this ages ago. Most of it is about herself, are you saying she does not understand herself?
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Her twitter posts kind of make it seem like she doesn't understand it though.
But even if she did, it still doesn't come close to taylor.
Even in her worst produced max Martin song "we're happy, free comfused and lonely at the same time"
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Originally posted by liberalmusiclover
Lady Gaga wrote Just Dance, Poker Face, Bad Romance, and Dope, which are better than any Taylor songs, so she has my vote over Taylor.
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this
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Originally posted by Ash12345
Why is this even a quetsion
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Because they are the most talented girls lyrically.
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Originally posted by boodytay
No, you can't. Albums are not made for you to pick a 2/3 songs sent to radio to judge an artist's full discography and style, and this is something very understandable, obvious and not something in need of any further explanation. If you think you can do otherwise, well you have a problem.
Next.
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But I did. Ooop. I hope you've listened to Gaga's records plenty of times to make your opinion on her songwriting versus your fav impartial and "educated." You calling Gaga pretentious is hilarious with comments like this from you
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Originally posted by TheCheetahwings
Not only did you choose one of Taylor's WEAKEST songs lyrically (and in general), but you also chose one of the worst examples of that song.
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I replied in kind to a person who did the same with one of Gaga's weaker album tracks. Keep up.
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Originally posted by J03Y
nothing you've just said is any form of rebuddle to her lack of growth, though. was all of that just a general response to the thread and the sentence above it was the reaction? if so, you should clarify, i have no idea what to do with this. that was the point of my post in its entirety. bolding a specific part and saying you didn't have an actual argument for that doesn't strengthen your argument against my post when that was literally the point of my post. Taylor puts thought into her lyrics, sure, but nothing substantially different in concepts or even maturity. she doesn't grow in her music. at least Gaga tries is what i'm saying. Taylor doesn't change herself. the one time she did, she flopped and so never went back to that. Speak Now is her only genuine and mature album imho.
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I have no argument for what you said because what you said was purely subjective. Taylor has shown very obvious evidence of her growth on Red. The fact that you don't see it is not something I can change. The evidence is there, I can't help you see it if you don't. Her songwriting style has evolved from exhausting narratives to being less detailed and using the production to give the intended emotional effect, like on Treacherous. Her style has also become increasingly poetic as see on State of Grace, All Too Well and Sad Beautiful Tragic. She branched out to other topics than love over time seen in songs like The Lucky One, Mean, Ronan, Safe and Sound, Long Live, Innocent and Never Grow up, among others. The fact that you choose to ignore the existence of not love-related songs she writes is not my concern tbqh.
Like I said before, the evidence of her growth as an artist is there. The fact that you don't see it is not my problem.
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Originally posted by eddytws
why? Long Live, Ronan, Tied Together With A Smile are not about love
Unless you count singer-fans/ family/ friends love
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firstly, i didn't necessarily mean that. it's an opinion, personally i don't connect with the songs, their productions are sub-par and generally boring. that's an opinion, though.
secondly, oh i'm sorry do you not love your friend/family/fans?
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Originally posted by Sakamoto
this
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Girl have you ever listened to speak now?
Dear John, Enchanted, Long live>>>>>
And that's just from one album.
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Originally posted by eddytws
why? Long Live, Ronan, Tied Together With A Smile are not about love
Unless you count singer-fans/ family/ friends love
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Yes! and Mean! is about a critic. Innocent is about Kanye West. Long-Live is about the fans! Best Day is about mothers, and Never grow up is about choosing to stay innocent as a child. And there are others that show quite diverse themes.
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Originally posted by Rusty
But I did. Ooop. I hope you've listened to Gaga's records plenty of times to make your opinion on her songwriting versus your fav impartial and "educated." You calling Gaga pretentious is hilarious with comments like this from you
I replied in kind to a person who did the same with one of Gaga's weaker album tracks. Keep up.
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I actually have tbh
She's good, monster is flawless tbh
But even on TFM teeth
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Originally posted by mikeyace16
Taylor isn't even capable of putting out an album as horrible as ARTPOP.
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That's why she belongs to the "Safe Singers Category". Taylor writes just the same old-boring love songs.
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These threads seem to have proved that taylor is the standard tbh
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What i don't understand is that it's always the same songs that Taylor fans mentions... I mean has she only 3 or 4 songs good lyrically ?
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Originally posted by hellocory
If you're gonna pick and choose we can just use the bridge from Judas
Offensed is not a damn word. Taylor doesn't need to make up words to make things rhyme.
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First: once again, I used that as an example to the person who used a weak song by Gaga to do the same on page 1.
And not you leaving out the excellence that precedes that line:
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In the most biblical sense, I am beyond repentance
Fame hooker, prostitute wench, vomits her mind.
But in the cultural sense, I just speak in future tense
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Gaga making up a word meaning having taken offense as a past-tense verb is called poetic licence in songwriting. This song uses religious themes exquisitely.
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Originally posted by OreGuy
That's why she belongs to the "Safe Singers Category". Taylor writes just the same old-boring love songs.
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Girl putting out a horrible album doesn't equal to taking risks.
Gaga had several safe dance songs that should have made it as hits.
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Originally posted by Rusty
But I did. Ooop. I hope you've listened to Gaga's records plenty of times to make your opinion on her songwriting versus your fav impartial and "educated." You calling Gaga pretentious is hilarious with comments like this from you
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Unlike you, I actually bothered listening to Gaga's discography before I made the decision to vote. I made sure I was knowledgeable about the topic of the thread so I wouldn't come off as ignorant like yourself. And yes, Gaga being pretentious is my opinion, which I'm entitled, and if you don't agree, that's too bad. And even then, there would nothing be hilarious about it. The only hilarious thing going on is your dedication to continuing a conversation which you lack the necessary knowledge to discuss.
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