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Discussion: Was "Erotica" necessary?
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Originally posted by WFL
Most mature gay people I know say that they became more aware of AIDS after Madonna's Erotica era ![@michael.](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/micheal_zps45ccf519.gif) Comparing Bangerz to Erotica is just shows some people's ignorance
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Why is Bangerz even being discussed though ? This about Erotica. If we're are gonna discuss Bangerz though I will say there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with what Miley's been doing this era apart from her promotion of drugs. Also, I see a lot of people in here referring to Erotica and SEX as ****ographic like it's a bad thing ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif) . Pxrn is fabulous ![Gay Cat](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/random/cat_zpsebvh5uip.png)
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I've just had the chance to catch up on this thread..... The word backfired comes to mind!!
Anyway, Erotica was totally necessary!! If just for the simple fact that conceptually and artistically it's one of her best albums. If not THE best!!!
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Originally posted by Ulquiorra Allen
stop with spamming the Olivia Newthon-John THING in every thread, Physical didn't make any impact at the time it's released, the both physcical and I feel Love lyrics didn't DIRECTLY talk about sex, they only hinted people to sex by the metaphor, that's not new
Erotica was on the other hand, it was directly talking about sex in the lyrics
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I'm not spamming, it's just that many lazy/ignorant posters in here think Madonna pretty much invented everything in female pop music and it's not the case at all. That's why I brought up very successful females like Olivia or Donna, who were in many ways ahead of their time both sonically and visually (one of them was the first to release a video album, I'll let you do your research on that one).
And most successful female "sexy" pop songs till this day use double entendre and innuendos, the list is prettty much endless. "I Feel Love" is sexual since it's the equivalent of an aural orgasm and the same goes for "Love to love you baby" and its endless moanings. Those songs are SEX.
"Physical" was a huge risk at the time and many radios banned it because it took things too far for them (especially the lines "There's nothing left to talk about unless it's horizontally" and "I want to get animal, let's get into animal"). It paid off and was the #1 song of the 80s in a very competitive climate. Female popstars followed these blueprints because it took their careers to new heights instead of being an almost fatal wound, like in M's case. ![;)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/wink.gif) By the way, in September 2008, Billboard Magazine listed “Physical” at #6 on their Top 100 Songs Of All Time list and in 2010 listed it as “The Sexiest Song of All Time”.
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saying erotica's influence was limited is extremely ignorant. yeah ! Erotica was controversial in negavtive way, but still controversial right ? still made the people and media talk about it right ? even when she cut her hair short in Girlie show, it became a controversy, right ?
when Erotica video caming out, it was a controversy, right ?
when sex book caming out it was a a controversy, right ?
the dirty sex lyrics were controversy right ?
the Girlie show was one of highest grossing tour of 90s
it became the blueprint for female artists who dare to DIRECTLY bring sexy to their music and image
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You're so aggressive! ![toofunny2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny2_zpsb54f2d2d.gif) Chill out, it's just pop music. I've never said the era wasn't controversial, just that it was a failure, not quality wise, but image wise. A disaster of epic proportions (except for her tour as you said it). Most people in here didn't witness the era and even though I was just a kid, I remember how terrible her reputation was and how the people used to talk about her. It's no coincidence that, except for "Human Nature", her following material was so smooth and non- provocative (think "Take A Bow", "Bedtime Stories", "Secret", Something To Remember, "You'll See", Evita and the final step in her rehabilitation, the career saving Ray Of Light!). Try and watch her 98 Oprah interview, between the lines it's almost as if she was asking America for forgiveness.
It's not a blueprint at all since it was mostly a career suicide, that's why no one (not even Xtina, Rihanna & Miley) went as far as M did, as far as sexual overdose is concerned. It's just too dangerous. The only era that came close in degrading the singer it was centered around was Blackout (the VMA performance, the videos, the album's first wave of critics containing some murderous reviews, the booklet, the extreme sexual content, the personal life mingling with the record, the pure chaos of it all...). After that, her following era Circus was damage control with no controversy except for "F.U.C.K ME".
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FYI, " Love Will Never Do Without You " was inspired by Cherish video of Madonna ( another sexy video by queen of pop ) since it was directed by Herb Ritts, who is Herb Ritts ? look it up . plus Janet didn't plan to look sexy in " Love Will Never Do Without You ", she originally planned to wear a dress for the video, but Ritts envisioned Jackson in nothing more than a black top and a pair of jeans (and, ultimately, blond hair)
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And "Cherish" was inspired by a Brigitte Bardot photoshoot. Regardless, both videos are different even the use of B/W is different. Also, Janet's first "sex" songs are included in Control and Rhythm Nation.
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Miley doing what she's doing is proof that it IS a trend. No pop stars did what Madonna did before. Erotica era also laid the groundwork for Janet's sexual reinvention the following year.
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Nothing but lies. ![deadbanana](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana2_zpsd45da7d4.gif) Janet's evolution began a few years before that and was a natural progression from an innocent teenager into a sexy, confident adult. That's why it's so iconic, she's considered the trendsetter for the other teenage pop girls who do the same. Madonna started her career as an adult and was always sexual. How is that even comparable in any way?
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Originally posted by GreasyBruce
Erotica was released in October 1992 while Janet was recorded from September 1992 to February 1993 and released in May 1993.
The Erotica album is actually a lot more conservative when it comes to sex than Janet. is, the SEX book just skewers perceptions. Erotica is actually an album about the effects of the AIDS epidemic on sex. It's almost anti-sex.
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Not quite. ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif) The Janet album is based on fantasies and sex in a relationship, and that's only in a few songs. She was a lot more conservative and didn't go to the extreme lengths Madonna did, although she could've if she wanted to.
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Originally posted by Blur
I'm not spamming, it's just that many lazy/ignorant posters in here think Madonna pretty much invented everything in female pop music and it's not the case at all. That's why I brought up very successful females like Olivia or Donna, who were in many ways ahead of their time both sonically and visually (one of them was the first to release a video album, I'll let you do your research on that one).
And most successful female "sexy" pop songs till this day use double entendre and innuendos, the list is prettty much endless. "I Feel Love" is sexual since it's the equivalent of an aural orgasm and the same goes for "Love to love you baby" and its endless moanings. Those songs are SEX.
"Physical" was a huge risk at the time and many radios banned it because it took things too far for them (especially the lines "There's nothing left to talk about unless it's horizontally" and "I want to get animal, let's get into animal"). It paid off and was the #1 song of the 80s in a very competitive climate. Female popstars followed these blueprints because it took their careers to new heights instead of being an almost fatal wound, like in M's case. ![;)](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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ugh, firstly no Madonna fans in this thread saying Madonna inventedd everything, we're not like lady gaga stans so stop doing the most. secondly, who's the first femlae artist that release an video album has nothing to do with this topic, your teaching is in excess , no thanks !
back on the topic, with the minimal lyrics of " i feel love " it could mean ANYTHING depend on the listener's subjective imagination thus don't state like it's a fact and as i said before the both physical and i feel love only hint people to sex with metaphoric lyrics , that's nothing new plus Physical the song itself wouldn't lead people mind to sex if there wasn't the video comes along, the sound of song, her accent, her lyrics delivery have nothing sound sexual but the video. there're female soul and & RnB artist had done with metaphoric lyrics about sex before Donna or Olivia like Roberta Flack, Sylvia, Anita Ward......but none of them had the fearlessness to directly talk about SEX until erotica. how stupid to say erotica's influence is limited and relabel into " not to do list " when almost evey female artist today from britney, xtina, lady gaga, and some female rappers like lil kim dare to sing about blatantly nasty songs
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Originally posted by Blur
By the way, in September 2008, Billboard Magazine listed “Physical” at #6 on their Top 100 Songs Of All Time list and in 2010 listed it as “The Sexiest Song of All Time”. ![clap3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/67d90ee8.gif)
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Songs are ranked based on an inverse point system, with weeks at No. 1 earning the greatest value and weeks at No. 100 earning the least.
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Originally posted by Blur
You're so aggressive! ![toofunny2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny2_zpsb54f2d2d.gif) Chill out, it's just pop music. I've never said the era wasn't controversial, just that it was a failure, not quality wise, but image wise. A disaster of epic proportions (except for her tour as you said it). Most people in here didn't witness the era and even though I was just a kid, I remember how terrible her reputation was and how the people used to talk about her. It's no coincidence that, except for "Human Nature", her following material was so smooth and non- provocative (think "Take A Bow", "Bedtime Stories", "Secret", Something To Remember, "You'll See", Evita and the final step in her rehabilitation, the career saving Ray Of Light!). Try and watch her 98 Oprah interview, between the lines it's almost as if she was asking America for forgiveness.
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no it's not just pop music, it's culture and you sound very despising when saying " it's just pop music " i don't know what kind of music you listen to but every genre of music is equal to me. i agree with you the sales of erotica was a failure but the whole era was not a failure when she made the media went crazy for what did, She turned the system upside down and they had to deal with the shock and awe of it , she had a successful tour, gain the empathy form LGBT community and people who have relatives died from AIDS because the first time there's an artist that dare to support for their right
the achievement is not always counted by money and commercial success, sometime, it's because of the impact.lack of quality wise is just your opinion since there are many nowaday critics called it one of the underrated albbum of all time
want to know the reason why she's been no more sexually provocative since Betime stories ? that's because of CYESIS, try to do some research about artist's personal life before stating about their musical direction.
i'm pretty sure that she didn't originally plan to taking back the dearness of people when she was making Ray of Right. Electronic was an underground genre at the time and if she had wanted to gain the commercial success again, she sould put out some generic urban music or bubblegum pop to match the mainstream landscape back then. but no, she didn't care of the attitude of people, she just wanted to experience a new musical style so your ratiocinate is invalid
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Originally posted by Blur
It's not a blueprint at all since it was mostly a career suicide, that's why no one (not even Xtina, Rihanna & Miley) went as far as M did, as far as sexual overdose is concerned. It's just too dangerous. The only era that came close in degrading the singer it was centered around was Blackout (the VMA performance, the videos, the album's first wave of critics containing some murderous reviews, the booklet, the extreme sexual content, the personal life mingling with the record, the pure chaos of it all...). After that, her following era Circus was damage control with no controversy except for "F.U.C.K ME".
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"a career suicide" lol, yes, check it again Xtina and britney followed that footprint ate their debut, Rihanna and Miley are doing it. just imagine if xtina released Dirty video in 1992, she would get an equivalent backlash
or if britney sung " I don't need your money, I just want your dick....." in (Drop Dead) Beautiful in 1992, just wonder, what would happen to her ?
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Originally posted by Blur
And "Cherish" was inspired by a Brigitte Bardot photoshoot. Regardless, both videos are different even the use of B/W is different. Also, Janet's first "sex" songs are included in Control and Rhythm Nation.
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you are ridiculiously comparing a photo of Brigitte Bardot of to a video, do you have any clue a bout the difference between a picture and a motion picture ( video ) ?
B/W concept is not the only thing that cherish and Love Will Never Do share, they also share the concept of dignifying the movement of human body and women's curve, camera rotation, the lighting used in the video, homoerotic sculptural images.......the the fact is that Madonna was the one that help Herb Ritts to shape his filming style since he admitted that he didn't know aything about filming
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This article couldn't have appeared at a more perfect time!
50 Mind-Blowing Albums That Changed NME Readers' Lives
Stephen Fantinel picks Madonna’s ‘Erotica’. “One of the greatest albums I've ever heard, it's at the musical forefront of being adventurous, pushes the boundaries of self expression and plants the message of loving yourself and your body. The Queen of Pop slays!”
http://www.nme.com/photos/50-mind-bl...2YEfjjCjegv.99
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Why don't the detractors explain to us why it was unnecessary?
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