It comes down to: What are we teaching our children to be? Are we teaching them to have proper self-confidence in themselves to weather life's storms?...or are we teaching them to lay down and die with every criticism thrown at them?
To keep this relevant to ATRL, Madonna (one of my faves) was heavily bullied and isolated during her High School years, but she came back stronger and is now the Queen of Pop.
or are we teaching them some grown up will kiss the booboo and make it go away for the rest of their lives
It comes down to: What are we teaching our children to be? Are we teaching them to have proper self-confidence in themselves to weather life's storms?...or are we teaching them to lay down and die with every criticism thrown at them?
To keep this relevant to ATRL, Madonna (one of my faves) was heavily bullied and isolated during her High School years, but she came back stronger and is now the Queen of Pop. Who can bully her now?
So the paparazzi, or thousands of people that join forces to hurl negativity towards a celebrity have less power than that one person? Victim blaming isn't cute sis. None of it in this thread is.
If you're sitting in your million dollar mansion or flying on your private jet and getting upset because something mean was said about you in a tabloid when YOU SIGNED UP to be in the public eye, then tough titties for you, don't come crying to me.
It comes down to: What are we teaching our children to be? Are we teaching them to have proper self-confidence in themselves to weather life's storms?...or are we teaching them to lay down and die with every criticism thrown at them?
To keep this relevant to ATRL, Madonna (one of my faves) was heavily bullied and isolated during her High School years, but she came back stronger and is now the Queen of Pop. Who can bully her now?
You don't HAVE to break someone down to build someone up. Life isn't plain sailing throughout, but you don't have to be bullied to become a rounded person. You don't have to be abused to learn how to handle situations.
You sound like someone who bullied/bullies people and is trying to make excuses for yourself tbh
Instead of preaching no bullying, parents and teachers should be preaching fighting back.
You do realize how dumb that is to say at times I really hope your joking .
A lot of school policies like the High School I went to was if you ever gotten into a fistfight it didn't matter both were arrested and suspended. Even if it isn't taken that far myself and many other, have been in plenty of situations where I have fought back and still get in just as much trouble as the perpetrator.
Plus fighting back is not this easy simple solution that will automatically end bullying. In some situations it can not only make it worse, or shift the situation to where you are still made fun of/bullied in other ways whether through rumors etc....... It's easy to say but not all these simple fighting back solutions works in every case or ends the issue at hand.
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It comes down to: What are we teaching our children to be? Are we teaching them to have proper self-confidence in themselves to weather life's storms?...or are we teaching them to lay down and die with every criticism thrown at them?
To keep this relevant to ATRL, Madonna (one of my faves) was heavily bullied and isolated during her High School years, but she came back stronger and is now the Queen of Pop. Who can bully her now?
But before she became the Queen of Pop she still admitted or her own accord years after high school bullying how insecure she was. Not to mention the abusive or downright terrible relationships and nasty attitude etc......... Like girl .
If you're sitting in your million dollar mansion or flying on your private jet and getting upset because something mean was said about you in a tabloid when YOU SIGNED UP to be in the public eye, then tough titties for you, don't come crying to me.
That blanket statement is like saying rich people should never be depressed, white people should never be sad, people in developed countries are never poor. Etc
If you're sitting in your million dollar mansion or flying on your private jet and getting upset because something mean was said about you in a tabloid when YOU SIGNED UP to be in the public eye, then tough titties for you, don't come crying to me.
BREAKING NEWS: Rich people who own mansions and private jets can also be sad and affected by things people say.
I agree that people should know what they're getting into, but it's not always so black and white. Some get more famous than they ever intended. Others get abuse hurled at them over matters that have 0 to do with what they are in the public eye for.
I'm not saying ALL celebs are bullied, but it's ignorant to say that they are exempt from it, because they are celebrities. I mean:
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That blanket statement is like saying rich people should never be depressed, white people should never be sad, people in developed countries are never poor. Etc
You do realize how dumb that is to say at times I really hope your joking .
A lot of school policies like the High School I went to was if you ever gotten into a fistfight it didn't matter both were arrested and suspended. Even if it isn't taken that far myself and many other, have been in plenty of situations where I have fought back and still get in just as much trouble as the perpetrator.
Plus fighting back is not this easy simple solution that will automatically end bullying. In some situations it can not only make it worse, or shift the situation to where you are still made fun of/bullied in other ways whether through rumors etc....... It's easy to say but not all these simple fighting back solutions works in every case or ends the issue at hand.
But before she became the
All of those are short term consequences. I was suspended when I was in elementary school and middle school too because I punched a bully in his fat face, and to this day, I have no regrets and have had no emotional consequences from being suspended. sure, there's a marginal difference between advocating fighting back and advocating violence, but it is up to parents to teach the difference. That sticking up for yourself is always ok, but that there is no room for senseless violence.
And fighting back doesn't just have to be fist fighting. It could mean developing a desire to succeed in the future, a desire to achieve things to prove the bullies wrong, etc.
Even if they eradicated bullying in childhood, there will always be circumstances of power balances in adulthood. Fighting for a raise or a promotion. Fighting for a contract. Fighting for the respect of your colleagues or your competitors. Best that kids learn that they can only rely on themselves completely instead of figuring it out the hard way when they get used and abused in the working world.
But before she became the Queen of Pop she still admitted or her own accord years after high school bullying how insecure she was. Not to mention the abusive or downright terrible relationships and nasty attitude etc......... Like girl .
That proves my point. She survived Sean Penn, Guy Ritchie, the media hating on her, the GP hating on her, etc. Through all that, she picks herself up & keeps slaying. A weaker soul could never.
Yes FOR YOU. I think your forgetting to explain that your story doesn't speak for everyone else. I also think you forgot to read my comment on how many who do fight get arrested for it whethe ror not their the provoker. You don't think having records that you are violent especially if you are a minority has no long term effects??? You don't think lashing back online when companies do background checks won't hurt you in the future?? Like I said simple actions may work for some but not all, bullying is a lot more complex than things you deem short term consequences
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Even if they eradicated bullying in childhood, there will always be circumstances of power balances in adulthood. Fighting for a raise or a promotion. Fighting for a contract. Fighting for the respect of your colleagues or your competitors. Best that kids learn that they can only rely on themselves completely instead of figuring it out the hard way when they get used and abused in the working world.
Ummm so we need bullying exactly to drive this lesson home that you need to work hard in this world . I'm sorry but that is complete b.s. that whole lesson is common sense many teach their children before they even get in school. You also don't need to know those experiences to figure that out it's a lesson that it's up for the adults raising them to teach. I mean I just can't...................
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That proves my point. She survived Sean Penn, Guy Ritchie, the media hating on her, the GP hating on her, etc. Through all that, she picks herself up & keeps slaying. A weaker soul could never.
Was it really appropriate to use a middle finger gif??/ Like you do realize how that can come off in a disagreement
But that wasn't short term pain though all those experiences poured into her adulthood life, and even after all her accolades was still soul searching it wasn't until the ROL decades after that it changed for her. So that is my point we can't expect these children like in this thread to magically and quickly get over it and stop being so sensitive. If the tough woman known as Madonna took decades to get to that point of security.
Yes FOR YOU. I think your forgetting to explain that your story doesn't speak for everyone else. I also think you forgot to read my comment on how many who do fight get arrested for it whethe ror not their the provoker. You don't think having records that you are violent especially if you are a minority has no long term effects??? You don't think lashing back online when companies do background checks won't hurt you in the future?? Like I said simple actions may work for some but not all, bullying is a lot more complex than things you deem short term consequences
Ummm so we need bullying exactly to drive this lesson home that you need to work hard in this world . I'm sorry but that is complete b.s. that whole lesson is common sense many teach their children before they even get in school. You also don't need to know those experiences to figure that out it's a lesson that it's up for the adults raising them to teach. I mean I just can't...................
Was it really appropriate to use a middle finger gif??/ Like you do realize how that can come off in a disagreement
But that wasn't short term pain though all those experiences poured into her adulthood life, and even after all her accolades was still soul searching it wasn't until the ROL decades after that it changed for her. So that is my point we can't expect these children like in this thread to magically and quickly get over it and stop being so sensitive. If the tough woman known as Madonna took decades to get to that point of security.
Theres a difference betqeen fighting back, and fighting to the point where cops are necessary if u are doing more than a symbolic punch and lives are literally at risk...then yes, you do have a violence problem that people should know about. Being bullied isnt justification for unleashing some violence on your bullies or classmates. And plus, most fighting back will and should be done with words, which is how the adult world works anyhow.
There is no rule that lessons can only be learned the hard way, but it is typically the best way. Just as im sure you would agree that people cany really understand racism, sexism, etc unless they went through it themselves, I would add you cant understand bullying or how to fight back unless you go through it yourself. Its never enouvh to read or hear about something. Experience is always 90% of the relevant learning. Its why we dont trust doctors without a feq years of residency, and why we dont trust white people who crusade against racism as much as MLK jr or any other lesder who has actually gone through the experience.
Anyone who uses "too sensitive" as a way to defend something is a moron. There is no such thing as "too sensitive". Sensitivity is subjective and isn't the same for everyone, and that phrase is used to denounce the real feelings of real people.
The answer is neither. The reason we're hearing about it more and more is because the media is covering it more, which is causing more people to finally stand up and say "this isn't right". For far too long, bullying has been seen as a "right of passage". Now people are seeing that, hey, kids killing themselves because of bullies at school is actually not a "right of passage" and something we need to work on.
Not everyone wants to fight back, expecially if your small and the person that's bullying you is bigger than you.
Some bullies don't even have an agenda on why they bully
It isn't the bullies with an agenda, it's the media. It's kind of blown out of proportion nowadays when it isn't any worse than it was before. If anything, it's a bit better than it was before.
I'm not supporting bullying, but I definitely won't be telling my child to go and call the cops because someone is being mean to you in school.
It's part of life, anyone bigger, stronger, smarter, or more fit than you in anyway has the power to bully and will many times. Personally, I want my child to know how to handle this. I learned how to handle this.
I have a friend that is literally impaired for life because he does not know how to deal with certain social pressures from people in his life that appear to be better than him in some form. He's 25 years old and literally cries at night to me (real tears) about it.He complains about **** that I learned how to deal with as a child, but he was so sheltered by his parents that he never had to respond to people being "mean to him for seemingly no reason. God forbid if someone hits him, he's gonna have a mental breakdown.