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Discussion: BILLBOARD: ARTPOP's success is an achievement
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
You are talking as if Gaga had been 15-30 years in the industry. She's fading a lot way too fast.
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Like RollingStone put it, "In less than 5 years Gaga bested achievements that other acts have not and will not best in decades"
And no, I am talking as if Gaga has
- 400+ million dollars in gross
- 150 million records sold
- 5 Grammy Awards, 13 Moonmen
- Top 5 on Forbes since her debut, and topping it besting Oprah.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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 Fully agree
The tea has been spilled really well
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Member Since: 5/6/2011
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
He can say whatever he wants, that won't change reality.
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Right outta my mouth 
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They are comparing Gaga's peak to Katy's peak (and yes Katy is at her peak, u're delusional If u think otherwise) and they are comparing Gaga's huge decline to Katy and Miley's peak ? How Is that being BIASED ? I think you are biased not BB 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
You are talking as if Gaga had been 15-30 years in the industry. She's fading a lot way too fast.
And if the trend continues this way... say goodbye.
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Well... Once you hit rock bottom the only way to go is up...
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Katie
I haven't been following much pop news lately because of work but has anything happened during the ARTPOP era other than presales, Applause, and opening week sales? The awards and tour stuff is from her previous eras, I think. We really haven't seen much of the Artpop era to call it for good but the bits we have so far aren't looking good. Madonna's a bit of a different story since she's got decades to lean back on (and some even argue that she's a hasbeen as well). On one side of the coin people are trying to say that her lowest is equal or lower than others' highest, yeah. But on the other side she's an album and touring act so how can she even dip low enough to be in their league sales-wise? Shouldn't her lowest still top singles artists?
I'm not arguing against Gaga, even if Artpop isn't my favorite album of hers. I've been to two of her concerts, soon to be three. It's just an ATRL thing that I've noticed and I'd say for any Base.
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Didn't mean to sound argue-ish. I was merely trying to explain why some fans may feel that Gaga cannot be put on the same level as some current popstars. The sudden and current abuse and misuse of the work 'Karma' is obvious self shade and is getting on my nerves. That is why I try to not stray away from ARTPOP's base and Gaga related threads.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
They don't have to say nothing to any of you. Gaga being an album artist doesn't mean she will always debut with a million. That statement was a natural result of Gaga's (more than) 2 to 1 dominance over Perry, on album sales.
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No need to get defensive . All am saying is the situation seems to be changing rapidly and whether billboard may be wanting to update their stance on the whole issue due to it. Am not saying Gaga always has to sell a million,just that its very difficult to tell who the album artist is when the singles artist is outselling them (first week wise ofc).
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Originally posted by Mariano
They are comparing Gaga's peak to Katy's peak (and yes Katy is at her peak, u're delusional If u think otherwise) and they are comparing Gaga's huge decline to Katy and Miley's peak ? How Is that being BIASED ? I think you are biased not BB |
I wish people would stop saying that Katy is at her peak when many of ATRLers ran around on here for the past 2 years claiming that TD was her peak. Like, which one is it? 
There's no way to measure if PRISM will be her peak until the era is done.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
Like RollingStone put it, "In less than 5 years Gaga bested achievements that other acts have not and will not best in decades"
And no, I am talking as if Gaga has
- 400+ million dollars in gross
- 150 million records sold
- 5 Grammy Awards, 13 Moonmen
- Top 5 on Forbes since her debut, and topping it besting Oprah. |
And I accept that and think she deserved all she got in TFM era when I still stanned for her.
However, true legends are defined by having success with great longevity (decades), even if they never reach the status Gaga once had.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
I was merely trying to explain why some fans may feel that Gaga cannot be put on the same level as some current popstars |
if her album and single sales are on par with the other girls then she is on their level sales wise. you can talk about a few years ago, but this is the "right now"
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The rise of Gaga was something we've never seen before, she's worth like what 200 million? It took her 5-6 years to do that it's insane. Why this is so controversial though is because her peak was so high that it's casting a huge shadow on her current project. Why do you think she hates the bad romance video? She can't out-peak herself
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Guys, just let the Monsters have this one. They need some type of flotation device to hold on to while the ship sinks.
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Originally posted by RainDreamer
No need to get defensive . All am saying is the situation seems to be changing rapidly and whether billboard may be wanting to update their stance on the whole issue due to it. Am not saying Gaga always has to sell a million,just that its very difficult to tell who the album artist is when the singles artist is outselling them (first week wise ofc).
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I am not defending anything, I am just saying that ARTPOP's first week underperfoamnce is not an indication of whether Gaga is still an album seller, in fact Gaga is both an album seller and single seller. Billboard just indicated that Gaga was the only female artist of the past years that has consistently moved albums, in comparison to the other pop stars. 'Rapidly' isnt quite the word to use, since it has only been a week. We all very much know that a single that stayed 13+ weeks inside the top 10 and is closing 2 millions in sales is far from a flop. Underwhelming for Gaga standards yes, flop no. But the era just began.
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Originally posted by Samuel
And what's with all the Monsters saying this is Gaga's lowest? God knows, judging from the current pattern, her next one will open up with even lower and Katy's even higher. This is the start of her decline and Katy's rise.
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Don't get too cocky, you never know what can happen in the future.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
And I accept that and think she deserved all she got in TFM era when I still stanned for her.
However, true legends are defined by having success with great longevity (decades), even if they never reach the status Gaga once had.
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Originally posted by Alvajay
if her album and single sales are on par with the other girls then she is on their level sales wise. you can talk about a few years ago, but this is the "right now"
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Then I guess we will pick this conversation up in 10 years time, when Katy and Gaga will have stand the test of time, instead of giving ultimatums. Nothing is said and done.
Right now is only after Applause and a week after ARTPOP, so... I will stick to my statement above.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by SilencePlease
And I accept that and think she deserved all she got in TFM era when I still stanned for her.
However, true legends are defined by having success with great longevity (decades), even if they never reach the status Gaga once had.
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Originally posted by Alvajay
if her album and single sales are on par with the other girls then she is on their level sales wise. you can talk about a few years ago, but this is the "right now"
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So you're saying that the past is not to be taken into consideration, so is Madonna on Katy's and Miley's level too? It seems like a double standard to give Madonna the 'past treatment', but deprive it off Gaga.
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Then I guess we will pick this conversation up in 10 years time, when Katy and Gaga will have stand the test of time, instead of giving ultimatums. Nothing is said and done.
Right now is only after Applause and a week after ARTPOP, so... I will stick to my statement above.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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He's got a point. Gaga had a HUGE fever pitch around her for the longest time, something few people will ever accomplish. I don't think that should be used to degrade Katy, though, because she shows that through hard work you can accomplish even more without the hype.
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Originally posted by Clarksonator
Not on WW scale it didn't...
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Yes it did. TD sold over 6 million WW. BTW didn't scrape 6 million.
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Member Since: 5/11/2011
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Originally posted by Invisible
Guys, just let the Monsters have this one. They need some type of flotation device to hold on to while the ship sinks.
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I guess you are talking by own experience. Thank you for the observation!
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So much stanning up in this thread.
Brace yourselves, guys.
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Originally posted by Liberdade mi amor
Like RollingStone put it, "In less than 5 years Gaga bested achievements that other acts have not and will not best in decades"
And no, I am talking as if Gaga has
- 400+ million dollars in gross
- 150 million records sold
- 5 Grammy Awards, 13 Moonmen
- Top 5 on Forbes since her debut, and topping it besting Oprah. |
Katy will need at least 3 more ERAs to beat all of these, and that's only If Gaga don't release anything and stop touring ... And let alone Miley who will need at least 10 years to beat that .. And people still say Gaga Is fading .. How can u fade after this huge success ? Even If she sell 10k albums In her first week, she Is still one of the biggest artists ever. . .
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