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Discussion: Are Singles More Important to an Artist's Legacy?
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Originally posted by Beyy
I might add Rude Boy and the lead single for Talk That Talk, forgot its name, Rih has so much lead singles that one with Ciara Harris
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Originally posted by CakeLike
What i'm saying is her sole purpose for putting out singles is not to try and get it to go number one or be a commercial hit. If that was the case she would be releasing singles produced by dr luke.
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It doesn't matter if it's her sole purpose or not. At the end of the day, she's still desperate for a #1 hit, and don't you dare deny it.
My main point is that MANY artists TRY to get a smash hit, but it's not possible for everyone. The ignorance of you to claim that "Anyone can get a number one single".
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
To put it into perspective. You Da One, Birthday Cake (the interlude), If it's lovin that'cha want, Pour it up and Rehab all sold more than it
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NEVERRRRR
REALLY!?
take a breath, take a deep calm yourself --don'tknowtherest--
and you can see my heeeeeeaaaart beating
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Originally posted by superben
It's not even the point.
The question is between songs and albums, which are more memorable.
And to answer your question, sales =/= legacy.
Example: Leonardo Cohen doesn't really sell much for his impressive discography, yet his impact is undeniable.
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who dat?
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
Rihanna's singles have always been interchangeable. None of her past singles stand out anymore. When Beyonce was 6 years into her career people were still bopping to her past hits and they were still standout tracks/albums that defined entire periods of music. Rihanna makes great music for the NOW. She has mastered the ability to follow/start trends but that's all they are- trends. When they are over people stop caring. Songs like Take A Bow aren't NEARLY as memorable as you'd like to think they are. Despite being one of her best songs, Disturbia is mostly forgotten by the GP and people would struggle to recognize it today. Stay was a flop and people have already forgotten about it so..
That's not at all what I implied. Why would I go on about my faves past hit singles and then imply all hits are generic dance beats? I said that my fave doesn't have to worry about doing that, where as some of the girls today do. Hell, there was even a period when Mariah Carey had to lean on a generic hit to help her. It's something that DOES happen and if you refuse to believe that then you're only kidding yourself.
I only said "forced" because I hate those generic dance songs that get played on the radio all the time. I realize that the radio only plays what the audience wants to hear but the audience doesn't always want to hear what's "iconic". The audience doesn't always want to hear deep masterpieces playing on the radio. If they do, they buy the albums of those that create masterpieces.
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Originally posted by lostinparadise
i agree SL is iconic along with CIL and arguably RTW. but Umbrella, WFL & Diamonds are iconic too.
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Umbrella, WFL and Diamonds were big in their own rights but they didn't surpass SL + CIL's impact.
To be fair, CIL had that debut artist kind of impact, which can only be done once and Rihanna kinda fumbled there.
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Originally posted by venuss
People buy singles but really don't care at all about who is singing but the song itself. Some songs are way bigger than the ones who sings them. Therefore they are only remembered for being 'that guy/girl that sings that song''.
Albums are a full piece of work, that's what make them being artists + have legacy. The singles are just a part of the album, they exist to promote it.
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I agree. But with Rihanna and Katy they have too many huge hits for that to apply to them. Which si the situation I'm referring to in the OP.
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Of course, for example most people remember "Like A Virgin" or "I Will Always Love You" or "My Heart Will Go On" than the album itself.
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Originally posted by Beyy
I know rght. It might not have sold as much but the impact was definitely so much bigger. Everybody knew that song, even if you weren't really a pop radio listener. WFL and Diamonds are just big hits, most people know them but their impact wasn't THAt big.
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Exactly! You literally could not escape the song- it was EVERYWHERE!
Even the video/choreography was iconic and is still being referenced in pop culture today.
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I don't think Rihanna's dancepop songs will be remembered in the long run
There are so many of that kind of song, it's not original.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
Rihanna's singles have always been interchangeable. None of her past singles stand out anymore. When Beyonce was 6 years into her career people were still bopping to her past hits and they were still standout tracks/albums that defined entire periods of music. Rihanna makes great music for the NOW. She has mastered the ability to follow/start trends but that's all they are- trends. When they are over people stop caring. Songs like Take A Bow aren't NEARLY as memorable as you'd like to think they are. Despite being one of her best songs, Disturbia is mostly forgotten by the GP and people would struggle to recognize it today. Stay was a flop and people have already forgotten about it so..
That's not at all what I implied. Why would I go on about my faves past hit singles and then imply all hits are generic dance beats? I said that my fave doesn't have to worry about doing that, where as some of the girls today do. Hell, there was even a period when Mariah Carey had to lean on a generic hit to help her. It's something that DOES happen and if you refuse to believe that then you're only kidding yourself.
I only said "forced" because I hate those generic dance songs that get played on the radio all the time. I realize that the radio only plays what the audience wants to hear but the audience doesn't always want to hear what's "iconic". The audience doesn't always want to hear deep masterpieces playing on the radio. If they do, they buy the albums of those that create masterpieces.
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Originally posted by posh
Rihanna's singles have always been interchangeable. None of her past singles stand out anymore. When Beyonce was 6 years into her career people were still bopping to her past hits and they were still standout tracks/albums that defined entire periods of music. Rihanna makes great music for the NOW. She has mastered the ability to follow/start trends but that's all they are- trends. When they are over people stop caring. Songs like Take A Bow aren't NEARLY as memorable as you'd like to think they are. Despite being one of her best songs, Disturbia is mostly forgotten by the GP and people would struggle to recognize it today. Stay was a flop and people have already forgotten about it so..
That's not at all what I implied. Why would I go on about my faves past hit singles and then imply all hits are generic dance beats? I said that my fave doesn't have to worry about doing that, where as some of the girls today do. Hell, there was even a period when Mariah Carey had to lean on a generic hit to help her. It's something that DOES happen and if you refuse to believe that then you're only kidding yourself.
I only said "forced" because I hate those generic dance songs that get played on the radio all the time. I realize that the radio only plays what the audience wants to hear but the audience doesn't always want to hear what's "iconic". The audience doesn't always want to hear deep masterpieces playing on the radio. If they do, they buy the albums of those that create masterpieces.
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6 years into her career Rihanna released 6 albums and Beyonce had 3. Of course people would pay more attention to Bey's past hits, it wasn't like she had new songs for them to listen too.
And Girl you did not just call the #1 on Radio, 4 million selling multi format hit Stay a flop. That is straight delusion. I understand where you are coming from in the last 2 paragraphs though...
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Originally posted by superben
It doesn't matter if it's her sole purpose or not. At the end of the day, she's still desperate for a #1 hit, and don't you dare deny it.
My main point is that MANY artists TRY to get a smash hit, but it's not possible for everyone. The ignorance of you to claim that "Anyone can get a number one single".
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Except she's not desperate for a number one hit? The majority of her singles have been produced by her own producer, if she was desperate she would stop writing her own music and get someone to produce it who is known for sending songs to number 1. How can you say she's desperate when she puts out something as unrelatable as Applause? She might like it when she gets a number one but by no means is she desperate, at least yet whilst she's still one of the biggest touring acts in the world/biggest album sellers.
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Originally posted by Beatz
Of course, for example most people remember "Like A Virgin" or "I Will Always Love You" or "My Heart Will Go On" than the album itself.
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But if their albums didn't sell that much they were just a one hit wonder and their legacy would be 90% lower. So the albums are needed more than the singles, imo.
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Originally posted by boxoffice
He/she meant it's easier to get people to buy a single for $1.29 than a whole album for $10 or more.
To me, an artist that's able to sell a s***load of albums (especially at these times) has a bigger impact in the music scene than an artist that gets its song to #1. Just my opinion
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Yes, but is it that much harder to sell a 2m album than to have multiple 3m seller singles from the same album?
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Originally posted by BEYinfamous
who dat?
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Don't discuss "impact" so boldly if you don't even know who Leonard Cohen is.
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Originally posted by BajanBeauty
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Okay, but Stay was released this year. We'll see if people are still covering it in 10 years (CIL was just covered on TVH) or in 20 years (Hero is covered literally every year).
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
6 years into her career Rihanna released 6 albums and Beyonce had 3. Of course people would pay more attention to Bey's past hits, it wasn't like she had new songs for them to listen too.
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EXACTLY
And that's why Bey's hits are more remembered than Rihanna's. Rihanna destroys her own hit success by overloading us with more and more new singles. (Well she didn't do that during UA era but still.., she did it for like 5 era's...)
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Originally posted by posh
Exactly! You literally could not escape the song- it was EVERYWHERE!
Even the video/choreography was iconic and is still being referenced in pop culture today.
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I agree. Single ladies was huge and it, as a hit single, is a huge part of her legacy. Does this mean you agree with the OP
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Was Russian Roulette really a flop I really can't believe!
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