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News: Transgendered first grader banned from using girls restroom
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It's offensive for genetic women for a boy who identifies as a girl to be called their own kind.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
It's offensive for genetic women for a boy who identifies as a girl to be called their own kind.
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um why?
That literally makes no sense.
some of yall really have no idea what you're talking about, and should educate yourself on the topic before speaking.
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The ignorance in this thread.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
you are all so ****ing stupid good ****ing LORD.
1) SHE IS A GIRL. That is who SHE identifies as. It is not your right to label her as you see fit because it makes you more comfortable. Stop calling her a boy. Just ****ing STOP.
2) It is completely normal for young people this age to have gender dysphoria at this age. Do you honestly think the girl just went to her parents and said "I want to be a girl" and they took her up on her request? **** no. The article states that her passport and state ID list her as female. This sort of change would have went though only with the consultation of the proper specialists.
3) No one has made a life changing choice yet. It is likely that she will begin taking hormone blockers to offset the affects of testosterone and allow her to life happily as a girl until the time comes when she can decide for herself if she wants to get gender reassignment surgery.
4) Since she is a girl, she should be allowed to use the girls bathroom. Not a gender neutral bathroom, but a girls bathroom. It is your irrational feelings that put you off from this transgendered girl using a girls bathroom, and your irrational feelings are irrelevant.
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This is why I love you.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
um why?
That literally makes no sense.
some of yall really have no idea what you're talking about, and should educate yourself on the topic before speaking.
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You can be educated on the topic but be against it. I think it's perfectly normal for the parents (and possibly children) to be awkward with it and uncomfortable with their children sharing a bathroom with what they probably see as a boy.
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You can't expect people to be okay with transgenders when homosexuality still isn't accepted. I think he/she (since they're still young they could change their mind) does have the right to use whatever restroom they'd like, but America just isn't at that point yet. Mess at some of you running in here to say your opinion is right by calling everyone who doesn't agree with you stupid, dumb, or idiotic.
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Originally posted by Tylerbv
You can be educated on the topic but be against it. I think it's perfectly normal for the parents (and possibly children) to be awkward with it and uncomfortable with their children sharing a bathroom with what they probably see as a boy.
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Yes, it is normal for people who are ignorant of trans people to be awkward around them, but that is no excuse for trampling on the rights of trans individuals.
I mean... this is the same ****ing logic used against the gays and lesbians for Don't Ask Don't Tell! That out gay people would make the military uncomfortable and distract them.
Also, I don't think kids would have a hard time accepting her at all. Young children are usually very nonjudgmental about things unless their parents tell them otherwise.
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Originally posted by pika
You can't expect people to be okay with transgenders when homosexuality still isn't accepted.
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no, but I would expect a forum full of LGBT people to understand and respect what the last letter of that acronym represents. LGB T.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
um why?
That literally makes no sense.
some of yall really have no idea what you're talking about, and should educate yourself on the topic before speaking.
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Let's ask women if transsexuals should be allowed to join the Miss Universe pageant or if they will feel comfortable to share the restroom with trannies and you will get NO for majority of the answers. No matter how you spin it, a transsexual is a transsexual, not a woman. For muliebrity to be whole and absolute, you have to physically, biologically, emotionally, and mentally be a woman. You strip one of these aspects and you don't have a complete woman. And anatomically speaking, being a woman goes beyond just having a female genitalia. Women have ovaries and uterus hence they are capable of reproduction. No surgical procedure will give you those female reproductive organs.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
Yes, it is normal for people who are ignorant of trans people to be awkward around them, but that is no excuse for trampling on the rights of trans individuals.
I mean... this is the same ****ing logic used against the gays and lesbians for Don't Ask Don't Tell! That out gay people would make the military uncomfortable and distract them.
Also, I don't think kids would have a hard time accepting her at all. Young children are usually very nonjudgmental about things unless their parents tell them otherwise.
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They're doing what they're doing just to make everything easier. The parents won't complain, and the children won't be exposed to transgenders at a time when they're not ready. The concepts of LGBT shouldn't be explained to first graders imo. They should learn about things like that when they're older, more mature, and more able to comprehend exactly what's going on. I don't blame the school
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Originally posted by Artemisia
no, but I would expect a forum full of LGBT people to understand and respect what the last letter of that acronym represents. LGBT.
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I was referring to the story/article, but alright.
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to understand and respect
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You're demanding respect but not returning it, so you can't expect people to be on your side. That's not how the world works.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Let's ask women if transsexuals should be allowed to join the Miss Universe pageant or if they will feel comfortable to share the restroom with trannies and you will get NO for majority of the answers. No matter how you spin it, a transsexual is a transsexual, not a woman. For muliebrity to be whole and absolute, you have to physically, biologically, emotionally, and mentally be a woman. You strip one of these aspects and you don't have a complete woman. And anatomically speaking, being a woman goes beyond just having a female genitalia. Women have ovaries and uterus hence they are capable of reproduction. No surgical procedure will give you those female reproductive organs.
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ok. So because ignorant and transphobic women don't want trans women in Miss Universe competitions they shouldn't be allowed. OK, then I guess we should be fine with not allowing gay boys in the Boy Scouts because the 'real men' there that like women are uncomfortable with them. Don't you understand how you are using the same logic on trans people that was used against gays
What is a "complete woman"? What is the point of using vague terminology like that solely to exclude transgenders? Do you not understand that gender is something that is made up by society?
Why would you have a problem with
being called a woman? Would you have even KNOWN that she was trans had I not told you? What about other women?
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If he is allowed to use the girl's bathroom that means the school would then have to educate his classmates and why he is using the girl's bathroom and I'm certain that most of their parents wouldn't want them learning about that subject at such a young age
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Originally posted by pika
I was referring to the story/article, but alright.
You're demanding respect but not returning it, so you can't expect people to be on your side. That's not how the world works.
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I'm demanding that people understand and respect TRANS people, not me. Read what I said again.
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Originally posted by Artemisia
I'm demanding that people understand and respect TRANS people, not me. Read what I said again.
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How about you do the same. I said you want people to respect your opinion (which is to respect transgenders and their rights; essentially the same thing) but you aren't respecting theirs. Maybe if you came off a little less aggressive then people would be more open to what you have to say.
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Originally posted by Tylerbv
You can be educated on the topic but be against it. I think it's perfectly normal for the parents (and possibly children) to be awkward with it and uncomfortable with their children sharing a bathroom with what they probably see as a boy.
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It's just a ****ing bathroom oh my god why are you all hot and bothered by a first grader identifying as a girl with male genitalia using it.
What could a first grader do? If they are so "young and just don't understand", how would they be able to do anything "devious" in a girls bathroom?
They are identifying as a girl, so they obviously aren't sexually attracted to girls. But that wouldn't even matter because 5/6 year-olds are not developed enough to be sexually attracted to anything.
It's like saying that it is wrong for gays/lesbians to use the same bathrooms as straight people because they are attracted to men/women.
Bathrooms are not labelled with "penis" and "vagina", but "male" and "female". Penis/vagina is genitalia, male/female is gender. They are not the same thing.
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Originally posted by abc1990
If he is allowed to use the girl's bathroom that means the school would then have to educate his classmates and why he is using the girl's bathroom and I'm certain that most of their parents wouldn't want them learning about that subject at such a young age
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ch. who cares
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Let's ask women if transsexuals should be allowed to join the Miss Universe pageant or if they will feel comfortable to share the restroom with trannies and you will get NO for majority of the answers. No matter how you spin it, a transsexual is a transsexual, not a woman. For muliebrity to be whole and absolute, you have to physically, biologically, emotionally, and mentally be a woman. You strip one of these aspects and you don't have a complete woman. And anatomically speaking, being a woman goes beyond just having a female genitalia. Women have ovaries and uterus hence they are capable of reproduction. No surgical procedure will give you those female reproductive organs.
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First, 'woman' or 'girl' are GENDER IDENTITIES (not sexes) that a person, male or female, can choose. Being born a female does not mean you identify/will identify as a woman and being born a male does not mean you identify/will identify as a man. No one is arguing that gender dysmprphia means that these individuals have the same genetic makeup as females (or males when switched), that would obviously be unarguable and delusional. These people feel they were born in bodies externally that don't by default express how they feel internally, and there's nothing wrong with it. Until we walk a mile in their shoes, we have no right to justifiably throw stones at these individuals. They aren't looking to hurt anyone, just trying their best to live their lives as happily and true to themselves as they see fit. Anyone who stands against that, I feel, is a disgusting bigot and its a bigger problem when they are supposed to be a part of OUR community (not speaking to you specifically) and we as a whole only look out only for ourselves and want rights that are fair as possible for ourselves but don't give a rats ass about the T in LGBT simply because most of you all can't relate to the path they walk in life. I mean, some of you are just as IGNORANT and font even bother looking up or researching a damn thing about your own community..
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