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Discussion: So, Beyonce can't be innovative by doing R&B?
Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Originally posted by Harry
Billboard vs Beyhive. You girls have been defeated by Billboard last 2 years stop swimming against the current pls. They are professionals, you guys are not.
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Member Since: 9/13/2009
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Originally posted by RichGirlPlanet
Yes, she can.
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top 5 posters in this thread
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Girl what's your point? Leave me alone.
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Originally posted by Harry
Halo, Sweet Dreams, Telephone, Beautiful Liar.
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Crazy in Love, Deja Vu, Love On Top, Naughty Girl.
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Member Since: 11/1/2011
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Originally posted by Harry
Halo, Sweet Dreams, Telephone, Beautiful Liar.
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Three of them from IASF era. Which i clearly stated was her only comtemporary body of work.
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Member Since: 3/10/2012
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Originally posted by Ressti
I didn't know Work it Out, Crazy in Love, Deja Vu, Single Ladies and Run the World were considered safe...
Interesting.
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what is so innovative about them?
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Member Since: 4/21/2012
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Originally posted by Harry
You girrals are missing the point. If Billboard claimed Diamonds was an R&B song then who are you to deny it. Billboard vs Beyhive. You girls have been defeated by Billboard last 2 years stop swimming against the current pls. They are professionals, you guys are not.
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But you are a professional? Get off Billboard's tit.
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Member Since: 5/4/2012
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4 was maybe the only album I liked from her, and that was mostly R&B. As long as she keeps the man bashing/girl power anthems to a minumum (and by minimum I mean nonexistant) I'm straight.
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Originally posted by callum
preach and it's actually gotten to the point where pop music is so oversaturated with electro-pop that coming out with a distinctively R&B-sounding record would be innovative in itself anyway, especially coming from someone as popular and highly-regarded as beyonce. all it takes is one big album to push pop music in a different direction.
she's in a position where she's capable of taking old sounds and old trends and making them sound new and different.
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Wasnt that what 4 was supposed to be
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Member Since: 9/13/2009
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Deja Vu? Just an attempt to rehash to horns and hi-hats that worked for "Crazy In Love" & "1 Thing". I remembered the girls going crazy like her using 808-bass was just some masterpiece movement. Single Ladies? Yes, nothing safe about a repetitive hooks, oh-oh-ohs, snaps/basically a polished, commercial version of "Get Me Bodied". "Run The World" wasn't safe, true. It wasn't really heard either.
You can have "Crazy In Love" simply for the production and sample, but it's nobody risk. It was a crafted mainstream single for her solo breakout.
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OMG this. None of them was risky. All she was doing is rehashing the same formula and see what sticks. I mean one thing to defend you fave, but lying is another. Either way, I'm eager to hear #5 to see if the same pattern continues or if she could really pull it off.
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Member Since: 3/11/2011
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This is what ATRL believe:
If you do 2 r&b albums then you are safe and not innovative.
If EVERY album you do is pop/electro then you are an innovative artist with a creativity that groundbreaks the music scene with every album you put out.
Girl bye
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Member Since: 4/9/2012
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Originally posted by EdgeOfAddiction
R&B is a dying genre of music. Less and less people are being exposed to it and the younger generation don't even know what real R&B music is. However, since Beyonce is a big ticket, cross genre artist, she can probably pull of an R&B song that may sound innovative to the less experienced ears. Will it actually be innovative? We'll have to wait and see what the writing camps and producers cooked up for her.
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This is so true. What is true R&B is actually called neo-soul nowadays.
Clubbangers killed R&B music. Crunk, trap music, & electro have clouded the essence of the genre.
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Crazy In Love
Irreplaceable
Single Ladies
Countdown
Beyoncé is innovative and has been throughout her entire career, including DC. ATRL might not agree but the critics do, which is why she will remain more critically-acclaimed than other pop artists and their so called "influential albums of the decade" or whatever.
I will choose to believe critics (within reason) over wannabe "musically-inclined" ATRL intellectuals any day. But HEY that's just me.
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Member Since: 10/18/2010
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I thought she was last album, and B'Day... "Start Over", "1+1", "I Miss You", "Freakum Dress", "Upgrade U", "Déjà Vu"...
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But 4 was the only time Beyoncé showed her ability to be innovative?
She was never an innovative artist. She is a Pop/R&B superstar.
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Member Since: 9/13/2009
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Originally posted by reppingBey
But you are a professional? Get off Billboard's tit.
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I didn't include any new input from myself. I'm just reppingBillboard on this. All I have been telling you is what they said. If you can't handle it then to the left to the left.
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Member Since: 4/30/2012
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Originally posted by Lord_Byron28
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I recall a ton of people praising Countdown for being innovative. It was well liked among hipsters and many places including Beyonce acknowledged it as such. Is she some underground, indie act making experimental music? no. Did 4 create unique and interesting music that stands out from the rest of the crowd? yes. It's the same **** with Gaga on here. ATRL calls her music not pop-friendly and to out there but then turns around and says it wasn't risky at all and shades her for thinking she's an underground indie act when she's not. 4 was innovative in the realms of pop, R&B and urban.
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those same people claimed britney's waterdowned attempt at dubstep innovative, it all depends on who you ask. but you can't go after britney for not being innovative for using existing sounds then go and say beyonce IS innovative for doing the same thing
and lol like a give a **** about what ATRL calls innovative, especially when it comes to lady gaga. gaga not pop friendly lmao im gonna piss myself.
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Member Since: 8/23/2010
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Originally posted by Graduation
Considering she's working with Miguel, who made one of the more forward-thinking R&B albums of the last 5 years, I think she can absolutely change the game with this record. And The Weeknd, Jessie Ware, AlunaGeorge, Frank Ocean, How To Dress Well, Autre Ne Veut, etc. are all creating music that can be classified as R&B yet still does not fall into the old cliches of the genre.
So yeah, Bey can absolutely be innovative with this release. But the again, does she really need to be? Any new music from Beyonce is sure to be some of the best by any of the major pop entertainers of the year (sans JT, of course )
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And that's the end of it. They can keep trying to put her RnB music down but at the end of the day she is the most critically acclaimed female mainstream singer of this generation, has more respect from the musical legends and has more musical awards than any of their faves to back her up.
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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But wait, Beyonce has always done rnb though...
LMAO..yall getting worked up for nothing.
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Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by BnPac
So now because a song has a repetitive hook and uses horns it's not a risk? Well that settles that then, that would mean at least Bey has CIL and none of the other girls of her generation has a single one risky song.
Some of you dare to talk when your fave has ever done any risky or out the box album. Unless you stan for Madge or Janet, you have very little room to talk.
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If a highly commercial producer (The-Dream) writes your song with a catchy, repetitive hook -- you're looking for a hit. If it works is of course up to the public, but that's where the headspace is when writing a song like that. If you're being "innovative" or "risky," you're not structuring your song like the next Top 40 seeker. "all my single ladies (x6) / if you like it then you shouda put a ring on it (x2) / oh oh oh, oh oh oh oh oh oh oh, etc." is a writer implementing as many memorable hooks to ensure success if it's embraced. Same thing with "Irreplaceable," "Crazy In Love," etc. If you want to pretend that it isn't for the sake of wanting to argue, fine. But it's fact either way.
As for the horns, I didn't say because they are in a song it's not risky. Just it worked once, when you go at it again -- you're trying something.
And honestly who cares who is doing the talking. Unless someone starts mouthing off about their fave did this or that, you don't hold any title to guess their opinion and make assumptions. Denying facts and raising awareness to something you created out of a bubble in your mind is really a waste of time. You could just not discuss.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
Crazy In Love
Irreplaceable
Single Ladies
Countdown
Beyoncé is innovative and has been throughout her entire career, including DC. ATRL might not agree but the critics do, which is why she will remain more critically-acclaimed than other pop artists and their so called "influential albums of the decade" or whatever.
I will choose to believe critics (within reason) over wannabe "musically-inclined" ATRL intellectuals any day. But HEY that's just me.
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Sister, come ON
Crazy In Love was MAYBE the only thing that came close. We had heard PLENTY of songs like Irreplaceable, Single Ladies is one of her most generic singles EVER, and Countdown is a typical R&B/Pop ***** pop.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Exactly.
Beyonce's worst reviewed album, "I Am... Sasha Fierce" is when she tried to make pop records.
It is obvious Beyonce EXCELS at R&B, and I am so excited for what's to come! I've been wanting her to work with Timbaland for the longest, and the fact that he finally made the cut, shows that he must have given her some heat.
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